Am I buying into conspiracy soup or would stuff like this be contributing to inflated death counts?

I read this guidance from the Ohio Department of Health, and it makes me wonder what kind of pressure doctors are facing...

"COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death."

"When 'probable COVID-19' is indicated on the death certificate, ODH/VS will consider these to be COVID-19 cases with regard to death reporting."

https://med.ohio.gov/Portals/0...9wh5qjTuehwTchzCIZ3U

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Originally posted by AirmanJeff:

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:

In other news, my 63 year old friend with asthma that tested positive and was in isolation and receiving treatment has been discharged this morning. I’ll give him a call and update you all on his experience later. He was originally very afraid because his blood type is A and that was supposedly a bad thing for his outcome.

Crazy how my other super healthy and younger buddy was on a respirator for 2 weeks, almost died, and now has 30% reduced lung function.

Sounds like any other illness. What kills me may not kill you, and vice versa. Age may help survival rate but there are young people that die every day from various illnesses.

My neighbor's test just came back positive after her test came back (a week later.) She showed no symptoms but was tested due to her job (nurse.)

That's one of the issues that makes the coronavirus particularly difficult to track and control. We have known since very early that many or most people have mild symptoms, but it has become clear that there are also a lot of people that are completely asymptomatic but still able to transmit the virus.

In an interview on Monday, the director of the CDC estimated that as many as 25% of infected individuals may never develop noticeable symptoms.

https://www.npr.org/sections/h...-going-to-be-with-us

In one sense, that's a good thing, because it means there are a lot of undetected mild cases - meaning the fatality rate is somewhat lower than has been observed based on confirmed cases. However, in another sense, it's a bad thing, because it means people who don't even know they are sick can spread the virus, making it harder to control.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
Am I buying into conspiracy soup or would stuff like this be contributing to inflated death counts?...<.snip..>

I don't think it's contributing. The existence of another illness does not mean the person was certain to die, at the point in time they expired, without the existence of covid-19. I don't think there are many cases where it's gonna throw the numbers off, at least not as bad as if the opposite instructions were given, i.e. "They had copd, heart disease, and diabetes so lets ignore the positive covid-19 signs because they were gonna die sometime anyway."

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I realize this is a drift from the usual “It’s dangerous,” “No, it’s not,” back and forthing here, but in the spirit of not opening a new thread related to the topic, I have a question about N95 and similar masks.

Your tone of condescension in every single post is really getting old.

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Originally posted by David Lee:
Would a 10mm penetrate its shell?

To smithereens. Unfortunately, plays hell on the host as well.

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Originally posted by AirmanJeff:

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:

In other news, my 63 year old friend with asthma that tested positive and was in isolation and receiving treatment has been discharged this morning. I’ll give him a call and update you all on his experience later. He was originally very afraid because his blood type is A and that was supposedly a bad thing for his outcome.

Crazy how my other super healthy and younger buddy was on a respirator for 2 weeks, almost died, and now has 30% reduced lung function.

Sounds like any other illness. What kills me may not kill you, and vice versa. Age may help survival rate but there are young people that die every day from various illnesses.

My neighbor's test just came back positive (a week later.) She showed no symptoms but was tested due to her job (nurse.)

This particular 63 year old is just about as unhealthy as they come, just about every bad health issue possible. Diabetes, asthma, over weight, sleep apnea, the list goes on.

Other guy? Healthy overall. No co-morbidities.

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Originally posted by Doc H.:

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Originally posted by David Lee:
Would a 10mm penetrate its shell?

To smithereens. Unfortunately, plays hell on the host as well.

Oh.... <looks in safe...> Maybe something smaller, then...?

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
Am I buying into conspiracy soup or would stuff like this be contributing to inflated death counts?

I read this guidance from the Ohio Department of Health, and it makes me wonder what kind of pressure doctors are facing...

"COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death."

"When 'probable COVID-19' is indicated on the death certificate, ODH/VS will consider these to be COVID-19 cases with regard to death reporting."

https://med.ohio.gov/Portals/0...9wh5qjTuehwTchzCIZ3U

No, you are correct in questioning this. The experts don't want to be wrong - so why not just chase the curve?

If you get infected, then recover, are you immune?

Can you go lick door knobs in the Corona ward and not be in danger?

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
If you get infected, then recover, are you immune?

Can you go lick door knobs in the Corona ward and not be in danger?

They don't yet know the extent or duration of any immunity that may occur.

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Originally posted by midwest guy:

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Looking at the IHME projections for Florida, New York, and Michigan, one thing that strikes me as odd is both New York and Michigan are done 1 month from today while Florida is done 3 months from today. Why the prolonged projection in Florida? My dad might be right to keep his plan to go to Michigan in May.

Florida has not mandated shutdowns ,spring break and senior noncompliance are issues. Regional travel with New Orleans ?

Don't forget NY people fleeing NY for their summer / family homes in FL.

And Orlando / Miami have a lot of same tourist issues as NYC, albeit on a smaller level.

Many shutdowns have been mandated in Florida on a state (schools, state parks, etc.) county, and city basis. Voluntary compliance with recommendations is high in my county, there'd be no need for a mandate.

Of the 23 cases in my county all of them are residents of Florida, 3 are from NY, 1 from LA (the state), and the first came from Egypt/Israel. The data isn't specific, but I'd be willing to be that those listed as non-travel exposure, but contact with known infected we're infected by one of the 5 travel related folks.

I've never heard the phrase "summer home in Florida" before. Is this the new thing?

They had on YouTube last week teenagers going into bathroom stalls and licking toilet seats, because they can’t get the virus. How stupid can people get ?

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Originally posted by midwest guy:

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Looking at the IHME projections for Florida, New York, and Michigan, one thing that strikes me as odd is both New York and Michigan are done 1 month from today while Florida is done 3 months from today. Why the prolonged projection in Florida? My dad might be right to keep his plan to go to Michigan in May.

Florida has not mandated shutdowns ,spring break and senior noncompliance are issues. Regional travel with New Orleans ?

Well, he finally caved to the pressure.

Well that's what I get for not turning on the news today.

if you're not medical, give your n95 mask(s) to those that need it. a homemade mask or non-medical mask will keep you from touching your mouth or nose, and eye protection (or glasses) cover your eyes.

they sell cotton washable masks on etsy that will keep you from infecting yourself.

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Originally posted by nighthawk:
They had on YouTube last week teenagers going into bathroom stalls and licking toilet seats, because they can’t get the virus. How stupid can people get ?

Been a loooong time since I sat in a bio class. Isn't that called natural selection?

POS Jos Scarborough:

“Everybody saw [COVID-19] coming in early January”

really ?

World Health Organization on January 14, 2020: “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China”

In late January, Joe Biden was calling President Trump xenophobic for cutting travel to China

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534...ly-january-you-hack/

F that guy!

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by midwest guy:

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Looking at the IHME projections for Florida, New York, and Michigan, one thing that strikes me as odd is both New York and Michigan are done 1 month from today while Florida is done 3 months from today. Why the prolonged projection in Florida? My dad might be right to keep his plan to go to Michigan in May.

Florida has not mandated shutdowns ,spring break and senior noncompliance are issues. Regional travel with New Orleans ?

Well, he finally caved to the pressure.

About damn time, And I’m a DeSantis fan!

Well, the White House keeps issuing larger death estimates each day, so it's apparent I must be missing something in all this. Either that, or these numbers and estimates are false. I don't think it's s surprise to anyone here that most of us don't trust even routine information given to us, much less something of this magnitude.
President Trump is as well informed on the matter as anyone, and he seems to be in harmony with Birx and Fauci. The truth and the real numbers will be known eventually but we're in for a ride until then.

This really is like a war; no one wants it, everyone's lives are turned upside down in the midst of it, and after it's over, nothing and no one is quite the same as before. Some of the change will be for the worse, some for the better, but, whatever the balance, life will be different after this catastrophe and all of us will have a greater appreciation for the fresh air and the company of strangers.