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Originally posted by Keystoner:
Trump is in the hardest position.

And he has proven time and time again that he is the right person at the right time for these hard positions.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:
I didn't see Para being an asshole to people.

HAHAHAHAHA!!! I believe my posts have held the same tenor as the Boss's...

You have the last word...still have yet to make it to my sammich.

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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:

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Originally posted by Keystoner:
Trump is in the hardest position.

And he has proven time and time again that he is the right person at the right time for these hard positions.

Yeah, that comes with the job of being a leader.

He's navigated some perilous situations thus far, and he's the best one to do it now.

Our community face book page is swarming with people trying to shout down and shame anyone who doubts the wisdom of a lockdown. We must, at all costs obey our superiors for the good of everyone. We'll I thought that was bad but wait, now people are asking if they need papers that prove they're essential workers. Some are worried that they may get caught without some sort of proof that they need to go to a grocery store.
I shit you not. These idiots aren't angry about being told what to do, they welcome it and they immediately worry about being in compliance with our superiors commands. No anger and concern about loss of liberty and jobs, oh no, they just bend over and take it. And all of this happened in just a few weeks.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

And how would you propose enforcing that?

Not enforcing anything. They are medical guidelines and recommendations. Not rules or laws.
But, as far as I'm concerned, shutting down the entire system is not the answer. Of course, we will never know, but I will submit to you that the infection rate would be the same with or without total lockdown.

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You've been in direct patient care. Surely you must know these things?

Sure, I know this. But, I'd say, 99% of the patients in my current practice will listen to my recommendation of staying home when they are sick. And, this is long before all this corona thing hit.

Why are those who see this for what it is allowing themselves to get sucked into the drama of those prone to panic and irrationality. Fear has a tendency of freezing a person from who he considers himself to really be. This is definitely cause for concern, not panic.

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
Dallas County has deemed that gun stores are essential business and will remain open. Gun sales up 500%. Gun stores in N. TX remain open.
Wish the damn ranges were open.

Come on out to Parker County...

The back and forth is pointless and distracting.

Team TheDudesAbide can go on chilling in the tub with a joint or turkey sandwich or whatever floats their goat, and Team OurHairIsOnFire can go on being Froke and trying to manage. Ain't nobody changing anyone's minds here, anyway, so how about finding a different way to vent your frustrations... ?

There's enough annoying bullshit associated with this topic already, why add to the pile?

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03...treat-four-patients/


Prisma Health develops FDA-authorized 3D-printed device that lets a single ventilator treat four patients


The impending shortage of ventilators for U.S. hospitals is likely already a crisis, but will become even more dire as the number grows of patients with COVID-19 that are suffering from severe symptoms and require hospitalization. That’s why a simple piece of hardware newly approved by the FDA for emergency use — and available free via source code and 3D printing for hospitals — might be a key ingredient in helping minimize the strain on front-line response efforts.

The Prisma Health VESper is a deceptively simple-looking three-way connector that expands use of one ventilator to treat up to four patients simultaneously. The device is made for use with ventilators that comply to existing ISO standard ventilator hardware and tubing, and allows use of filtering equipment to block any possible transmission of viruses and bacteria.

VESper works in device pairs, with one attached to the intake of the ventilator, and another attached to the return. They also can be stacked to allow for treatment of up to four patients at once — provided the patients require the same clinical treatment in terms of oxygenation, including the oxygen mix as well as the air pressure and other factors.

This was devised by Dr. Sarah Farris, an emergency room doctor, who shared the concept with her husband Ryan Farris, a software engineer who developed the initial prototype design for 3D printing. Prisma Health is making the VESper available upon request via its printing specifications, but it should be noted that the emergency use authorization under which the FDA approved its use means that this is only intended effectively as a last-resort measure — for institutions where ventilators approved under established FDA rules have already been exhausted, and no other supply or alternative is available in order to preserve the life of patients.

Devices cleared under FDA Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) like this one are fully understood to be prototypes, and the conditions of their use includes a duty to report the results of how they perform in practice. This data contributes to the ongoing investigation of their effectiveness, and to further development and refinement of their design in order to maximize their safety and efficacy.

In addition to offering the plans for in-house 3D printing, Prisma Health has sourced donations to help print units for healthcare facilities that don’t have access to their own 3D printers. The first batch of these will be funded by a donation from the Sargent Foundation of South Carolina, but Prisma Health is seeking additional donations to fund continued research as well as additional production.

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Originally posted by 12131:


If I were in charge,

1- Everybody practices good hygiene. Everybody.
2- If you're asymptomatic, go about your business.
3- If you're sysmptomatic but not serious (like chest pain or shortness of breath or confusion, etc.), stay home and rest. Talk to your physician for guidance. You don't need to be around other folks. Minor cough or runny nose or sore throat is not a reason to flood the ER that's already overburdened.
4- If you're seriously sysmptomatic, yes, call 911/go to ER.

I've been in direct patient care (adults and children) since the early 90s (ER, urgent care, primary care, employee health care) and have been in contacts with various kinds of communicable diseases (bacterial and viral meningitis, influenza, cold, and many other respiratory illnesses), and not once have I been knocked down by any of these. Good health is a factor, but I also attribute it to good hygiene practice.

I can only hope that everyone on this forum reads this a few times, settles down, and reads it again. Save it and read it every day.

For years, when I’m sick, I wear a mask while out in public for the necessaries and quarantine my own ass during. If all people would do the same, well we’d be much better off. I’ve posted multiple threads in the rant section of fucksticks coming into work hacking, sneezing, all over the place, when they have the ability to quarantine themselves, wear a mask, etc.

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Originally posted by sigspecops:
Our community face book page is swarming with people trying to shout down and shame anyone who doubts the wisdom of a lockdown. We must, at all costs obey our superiors for the good of everyone. We'll I thought that was bad but wait, now people are asking if they need papers that prove they're essential workers. Some are worried that they may get caught without some sort of proof that they need to go to a grocery store.
I shit you not. These idiots aren't angry about being told what to do, they welcome it and they immediately worry about being in compliance with our superiors commands. No anger and concern about loss of liberty and jobs, oh no, they just bend over and take it. And all of this happened in just a few weeks.

It pretty much stems from the public education system and leftist indoctrination that has occured the last 30 or more years. Independent thought is not allowed, and one must depend on the "nanny state" to look out for and think for them. It really is amazing how many supposed sensible folks are willing to give up their rights and freedoms so easily.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by 12131:
If I were in charge,

1- Everybody practices good hygiene. Everybody.

And how would you propose enforcing that?

In the last couple weeks or so, on my increasingly rare forays into the danger zone (outside the house) I have seen not a single individual employing good hygiene practices when out and about. And I've been watching, because I've been curious.

I watched a young woman, standing in front of me at a CVS this afternoon, with packages in hand, grab a couple candy bars off a shelf, handle a couple others for inspection and put them back, then proceed to rub her nose.

Behind me, in the line at the pharmacy counter, there were three people. They were separated from me by six feet, because the store had taped red "X"s on the floor. But they were all standing close enough to one another to feel one anothers' breath.

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Originally posted by 12131:
3- If you're sysmptomatic but not serious (like chest pain or shortness of breath or confusion, etc.), stay home and rest. Talk to your physician for guidance. You don't need to be around other folks.

How would you enforce that?

When I was still employed: If I felt myself getting sick I'd call in sick and stay home until it "crested" and was clearly on its way back down. Not a single one of my cow-orkers did that. I've seen people at work so sick they could barely keep themselves upright in their chairs. "Can't afford to take the time off" was the usual excuse. But others, for which that wouldn't be an issue, were more inclined to answer "Too much work to do" or "It's no problem, I can work through it."

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Originally posted by 12131:
... not once have I been knocked down by any of these. Good health is a factor, but I also attribute it to good hygiene practice.

I almost never take the annual flu shot. I can count the number of times I've been sick in the last twenty years or so on one hand and have fingers left over. Part of the reason is I have an exceptionally robust immune system. But I'm also hygienic. Not anally so, but consistently so.

But that's you and me, Q. Most people are lazy, stupid, ignorant, inconsiderate or some combination of the four.

As I've pointed out, before: That is also one of the big differences between how S. Korea and the U.S. are handling this. S. Korea has warned its citizens of the dangers, told them what they had to do to counter the threat, and, by all accounts, most S. Koreans are doing that. Americans on the whole do not behave that way.

You've been in direct patient care. Surely you must know these things?

He does know them. Hes pointing out the common sense things we should be doing. He is right too. You've sort of answered your own question when you stated how people are. I see it too every where I go. How to change peoples ways is another question. I know there needs to be very strict signage to "Wash your hands" and "The soap and water is free, use it". Make it a order or do not enter the facility. It needs to be demanded and ordered because Americans sure as hell cant be advised. Even for their own well being.

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Originally posted by XinTX:
And despite them having less cases, Italy has over 7 times the number of fatalities.

Yea, because the pizzerias are closed and people can't get their fix!

Reminds me - check wines.
55. Good for the week.

Everyone in Michigan learned at a Town Hall meeting tonight that free travel is illegal right now. You are only allowed to drive to essential jobs/employment, or to get groceries or supplies.

You cannot hop on your motorcycle for a spin or jump in the car to go for a drive. If stopped it is a $500 fine.

Walking and riding a bike is ok. Which is awesome here this tie of year when its 30-55F and usually raining.

Unconstitutional. Deserves an immediate court challenge.

This shit has to stop. They're infringing upon Constitutional rights. Short of me being convicted of a crime and sentenced to house arrest, I do not believe that it is within the power of any government to compel me to remain in my home. They may very well arrest, try, and convict me for breaking their rules, but it's still unconstitutional.

We are not under martial law.

This reminds me of being in class, and the whole class has to stay late and suffers because some kids were being a jackasses.


Kind of like bootcamp too.

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Originally posted by was0311:


Kind of like bootcamp too.

Yeah it does. The part where one guy allegedly screws up and everyone gets punished for no reason other than the DI establishing he’s in charge.

Yeah. It is just like that. The power trip some of these governors are on is unreal.

The whole Michigan "its now illegal to travel to anywhere but essential job and grocery store" thing.
Yep... Thats enforceable. If I am stopped and questioned I will say I am enroute to get groceries. I just wanted to go to a store 300 miles away.
Now thats social distancing!

"Papers, please!" - Good point posted by sigspecops on the previous page.

For those areas that are locking down but classifying liquor stores and gun shops as essential businesses, how come the directions don't list them as permissible places to go to (you know, like grocery stores). The directions should say "it's permissible to leave your house to buy food, guns, ammo, fuel, and booze".