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Nullus Anxietas |
If she also wiped her hands with the thing, she was probably GTG. Then again: Disinfecting on entering the store, while it may be great for the store and its other customers, is not optimal for the individual. You want to disinfect last thing as or after leaving the store.
One of my last shopping excursions, before going into mostly SIP on our own, I wore a pair of blue Nitrile gloves. I got looks. In all those stops I saw not one individual other than myself wearing gloves. I saw not one individual using hand sanitizer or disinfectant wipes when they returned to their cars as I was walking through parking lots. Not a one after they finished fueling at the gas station at which I stopped. When I last worked-out, a two weeks ago, few of the members at my gym wiped-down thoroughly after finishing with equipment. I was clothed head-to-foot, including full-fingered gloves, and wiped-down equipment even so. It's really not that difficult: Avoid outside contact that's avoidable. Practice distancing, use a modicum of PPE, and employ rigorous disinfection protocols when it's not. But "people" are too stupid/ignorant/lazy/self-centered to do these things. This is why our governments felt compelled to close-down businesses of various types and invoke stay at home orders. "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| wishing we were congress |
President Trump: "I would love to have the country opened up and raring to go by Easter (April 12),” Peter Alexander: Re: Easter timeline. A WH official tells me Trump does *not* see that as a date by which he begins opening things up, but when the economy is speeding again. That means the loosening of restrictions would, under this scenario, still start much sooner. https://www.breitbart.com/poli...e-it-open-by-easter/ “We can socially distance ourselves and go to work, and you’ll have to work a little bit harder,” Trump said. “You can clean your hands five times as more as you used to, you don’t have to shake hands anymore with people.” Trump said again that he wanted the economy reopened in weeks, not months. He said that putting restrictions on Americans was “one of the most difficult decisions that he ever made.” “You’re basically turning off the country,” he said, adding that, “I wasn’t happy about it, and I also knew I had to do it.” Trump said that the economic shutdown was “painful” and “destabilizing” but that it would soon be time for Americans to return to their lives. “We have to go back to work, much sooner than people thought, and people can go back to work and they can also practice good judgment,” he said. | |||
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I admire his optimism but I fear it will not happen. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
The country's resurrection as it were.
I have every faith that it will. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Excellent post! | |||
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Still finding my way |
Everyone I'm talking too says things need to open back up by the end of this week or we're doing the purge on Saturday. | |||
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| california tumbles into the sea |
i was at mcdonald's drive through (wife wanted some sausage egg mcmuffins) just before they opened at six this morning and put on my nitrile gloves before I stopped at the pay window and then the pick up window. i never drive through and walk in every time, until now. i've been thinking of going to the elderly early opening at whole foods - one hour early, so 7-8am. if i do i'll wear a mask and gloves. they have good eggs there, and maybe some meat. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Retards Decide That Fish Tank Cleaner Is a Useful and Safe Drug for Pre-Emptively Treating Coronavirus; Media Blames Trump This is what they ingested. Notice it says NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION, but the media is trying to spin this as saying "Trump is telling the public it's ok to eat fish tank cleaner"  http://ace.mu.nu/archives/386489.php "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Run Silent Run Deep  |
It needs to be a gradual opening that makes sense...not just back to normal overnight. Otherwise, we can have this flare up and overwhelm the hospitals. ...and that would be just going back to square one. I hope some good thought goes into the proper balance of getting things going again while not being dumbasses. _____________________________ Pledge allegiance or pack your bag! The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher Spread my work ethic, not my wealth | |||
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Greta must miss being in the headlines. She's saying she has COVID-19 and is in self isolation. But she hasn't been tested ... "If Gun Control worked, Chicago would look like Mayberry, not Thunderdome" - Cam Edwards | |||
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| Something wild is loose  |
We're getting there; a few problems with Ab testing - for example, takes time to build up a detectable titre. And not everyone produces at the same rate. But the technology is here, available, and waiting for enterprising development, which is occurring as we speak. One distinct advantage over the "swab" testing we're currently doing - and failing somewhat miserably considering we've had the opportunity for some time - is that it tells you that you've been been exposed enough for your immune system to kick in, sometime in the past. You are possibly - even probably - golden, and particularly if you are asymptomatic whether you may be now at least somewhat immune, or building immunity. The swab test tells you if there is a virus - or two - on the swab. Or not. Today. It doesn't tell you if there will be one there tomorrow. Or in an hour. Two very different data sets, for different purposes, telling you two very different things. "And gentlemen in England now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day" | |||
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I noted that in socialist utopia Sweden, they are also testing only those sick enough to require hospitalization. I thought in a model society like that they would have had their government clinics ramped up by this first of January. | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Well, its officially in India now. Now we get to see what COVID-19 does in a nation with poor air quality, poor medical care (generally), and poor sanitation. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Seeker of Clarity |
What is the purge?  | |||
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| SIGforum's Berlin Correspondent  |
Apropos of Sweden, it might be a model to watch for those who feel that "let it run" is the better strategy. While the government has recommended that people go out as little as possible, don't travel and avoid contact with the elderly, some restaurants and such have closed on their own volition, organizers have cancelled events and ski operators etc. are actually asking for stricter rules, there are none of the mandated shutdowns seen in the rest of Europe, and borders remain open. Meanwhile, Italy is closing in on a ten percent CFR. Italy - 6,820 : 69,176 = 9.9 % US - 655 : 50,982 = 1.3 % Spain - 2,800 : 39,676 = 7.1 % Germany - 156 : 32,781 = 0.5 % France - 860 : 19,856 = 4.3 % Switzerland - 122 : 9,877 = 1.2 % South Korea - 120 : 9,037 = 1.3 % UK - 422 : 8,077 = 5.2 % Netherlands - 276 : 5,560 = 5.0 % Austria - 28 : 5,137 = 0.5 % | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Where is Sweden on your list? "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Top EU diplomat warns China effort to blame West for coronavirus part of global 'struggle for influence' https://www.washingtonexaminer...ruggle-for-influence Western leaders shouldn’t be duped by China’s attempt to turn the coronavirus pandemic into an opportunity for Beijing to gain international influence at the expense of the West, according to the European Union’s top diplomat. “There is a global battle of narratives going on in which timing is a crucial factor,” EU High Representative Josep Borrell wrote in a bulletin to his colleagues in the bloc. “We must be aware there is a geopolitical component including a struggle for influence through spinning and the ‘politics of generosity.’” Chinese officials have tried to cast doubt on the origins of the coronavirus in recent weeks while touting the effectiveness of their containment tactics. Senior officials have tried to accuse the United States of seeding the contagion in Wuhan, where the novel coronavirus first emerged, but Chinese state-run media outlets have begun to suggest it began in Italy as the outbreak worsens in Europe — drawing criticism of China’s shifting narratives from Borrell. “In January, the dominant framing was of this being a local crisis in Hubei province, aggravated by the cover up of crucial information by Chinese party officials,” Borrell wrote. That comment recalled how Chinese President Xi Jinping acknowledged “obvious shortcomings” in the way communist leaders in Hubei province responded to the nascent outbreak. The mayor of Wuhan blamed national party leaders in Beijing for his failure to sound an early alarm, but Xi shifted the fault back to Hubei officials in a rare defense of his actions. “China is aggressively pushing the message that, unlike the US, it is a responsible and reliable partner,” Borrell wrote. “In the battle of narratives we have also seen attempts to discredit the EU as such and some instances where Europeans have been stigmatized as if all were carriers of the virus.” The EU official’s message is inconvenient for Chinese officials, who have invoked Borrell and other European leaders when possible while criticizing Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and other U.S. officials for referring to the new infectious disease as the “Wuhan virus” or “Chinese virus.” “I wish certain people in the US could heed the reasonable voice at home and from the international community and stop making wrongful remarks that stigmatize China,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang told reporters Tuesday. “The top priority for the U.S. should be focusing on keeping their own house in order and working with China and the international community to contribute to the global fight against the pandemic.” Borrell emphasized that the aid China is providing to some European nations comes weeks after European allies provided aid to China, even though when the communist regime has hidden the truth about the outbreak. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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| SIGforum's Berlin Correspondent |
I moved my sliding cutoff to 5,000 cases, but yeah, I better include it if I declare it a test case. Sweden - 36 : 2,286 = 1.6 % | |||
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| Get my pies outta the oven!  |
Italy may be misreporting their death rate:
Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy? The country's high death toll is due to an ageing population, overstretched health system and the way fatalities are reported | |||
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