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India came up a few pages ago. They just announced a total lockdown for three weeks. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...mepage#link-1854b568
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Nullus Anxietas |
I keep a can of disinfectant wipes on the back seat floor of the Jeep. First thing I do when I get back to the Jeep is unlock, get that out, wipe down the container, the door handle I used to open the Jeep, and my key fob. This way I never touch anything else in or on the Jeep with potentially contaminated hands. I do occasionally wipe down all other touch surfaces in the Jeep, just in case. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Void Where Prohibited |
Maybe someone knows otherwise, but I don't think enough UV passes through tinted auto glass to do any good. "If Gun Control worked, Chicago would look like Mayberry, not Thunderdome" - Cam Edwards | |||
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wishing we were congress |
https://www.breitbart.com/poli...-to-restart-economy/ Andrew Cuomo Supports Loosening Restrictions to Restart Economy New York Governor Andrew Cuomo shared similar views as President Donald Trump on Tuesday, agreeing it would be possible to restart the economy by loosening coronavirus isolation restrictions on Americans. On Monday evening, President Trump made a similar argument at a White House press briefing, stating it was possible to restart the economy and remain conscious of America’s health. “What I’m saying, basically, is that we can do two things simultaneously,” Trump said, noting “we’ve had this incredible learning period” about the virus that might allow the federal government to review the requirements for social distancing. Cuomo made the same argument at a press conference on Tuesday. “Don’t make us choose between the two,” Cuomo said. “We can do both and we must do both.” Cuomo argued lower-risk and younger people could return to work, as soon they would not need to be quarantined with the elderly. “You can have an economic start-up strategy that is consistent with a public health strategy,” Cuomo said. He said testing recovering individuals from the coronavirus and sending them back to work was essential, noting many Americans likely had the virus and recovered. “I believe once we get that test, you’re going to find hundreds of thousands of people who have had the coronavirus and resolved,” Cuomo said. Cuomo looked forward to younger people returning to work. “Let the younger people go back to work, let the recovered people go back to work,” he said. “Ramp up the economy with those individuals.” Cuomo said that although the initial public health strategy was strict, it was possible to refine recommendations based on what officials had learned about the virus. “So you’re refining your public health strategy and at the same time you’re restarting your economy,” Cuomo said. “Those two can be consistent if done intelligently.” | |||
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Partial dichotomy |
I also do this and wipe down anything else in the car that I touch....steering wheel, shifter, seat belt buckle. I've been doing this for years after being in stores or gassing up? Do I germaphobe much? | |||
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Freethinker |
Yes, that’s my intent. If rubbing our eyes with contaminated fingers can introduce the virus, it seems obvious that a cough or sneeze droplet from an infected person can do the same. It is mildly surprising that that danger hasn’t received more recognition. Then again, as for what other people do or don’t do, I saw a woman take a disinfecting wipe from the dispenser at a store, pick up the handle of a hand basket with her bare hands, and then carefully wipe it down.
I did too. I believe, however, that that feeling will pass. And I hope that some people will think, “I saw my hero, sigfreund, wearing a mask and gloves; it must be okay.” ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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thin skin can't win |
This is one of the challenges of the "let 'em get sick and deal with it" strategy. All that PPE is what keeps the healthcare folks functional. Without it, or with it working poorly, they suddenly become spreaders instead of healers, or you have to send them home. Since no hospital will let someone knowingly infected work nor would most workers in anything but extreme times, you lose some of the workforce needed to cover the patients just at a time you have a spike of patients. It's not just respirators that have a finite supply, it's doctors/nurses/techs, etc. Even without killing them once you take any meaningful portion of them off the field you've got real challenges. We are seeing shortages of PPE even in a relatively lightly impacted area as Jackson, so I'm sure it's widespread in other markets. While not a doctor, I work in the field and have gotten this firsthand by those affected, not a FB friend..... You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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Exceptional Circumstances |
No longer useful my ass. Your brain is still sharp as a knife. As far as the n95 masks. I own a pest control business so have a lot of experience wearing these as do many other service industry related workers like painters or carpenters. Always have worked well for me but not nearly as good as a respirator. When the advice came out that they were relatively ineffective against this virus I laughed as I have always been a "something is better than nothing" person. Turns out now that masks may be how S Korea got ahead of the spread in their country. It will be enlightening to look back on this and learn from the misinformation, sensationalism, fear mongering and most disheartening, the failure of people who I thought would be most mentally prepared to deal with this. I am a little surprised and a little saddened by some close to me who just fell to despair with every new infection rate announced on tv. Easy to follow the herd I suppose. While we aren't out of this by a long shot, and there is a percentage of the population that is at risk, I still hold that this has been a media driven frenzy that is crippling both the mental well being of our society as well as our economy. I also believe both will come back stronger. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Chip away the stone |
The thing I don't get about the theory that this has been going around for 4 months in the US is that we're only now (seemingly) seeing a big spike in hospitalizations and deaths. Seems to me if it had been widespread in December hospitals in New York or other large cities would have already been well aware something was making an unusual number of people sick and requiring them to be on ventilators. | |||
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Exceptional Circumstances |
Don't be fooled by him. He loves the cameras. This was the same guy quoted yesterday that this could go on for 9 months and today is is talking about easing back restrictions, restrictions I didn't agree with. Luckily my business is considered essential or I would have fallen into non compliance. Watch for his 2024 aspirations. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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It's not you, it's me. |
The thing I don't get is that people say that masks aren't effective at reducing transmission. I've heard so many dumb reasons, many by actual medical professionals. I understand that they must fit properly, but I'm also not getting as close to people as medical professionals do. It's just another layer of protection. And yes, I'm aware you can get it in your eyes, that's why I wear protective glasses too. | |||
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wishing we were congress |
after reading Doc H post about the finger prick test, I searched a bit online. A number of places are working on this approach Here is just one of them: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...rnment-interest.html | |||
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I hope this isn’t too off topic but the Richardson, TX city council announced its own SIP “orders” effective until April 30. Besides ordering all non essential businesses to close and a few other things, here are a few items I found interesting: * Religious and worship services may only be provided by video and teleconference. * A limit on the purchase of toilet paper has been established. Residents may purchase only 12 rolls, or one package, whichever is greater, at a time. Once these types of orders are issued below the level of the governor and somewhat at the county level, I start to get a “fuck you” attitude. Who the hell does this mayor think he is telling residents how much toilet paper they can buy? Or whether they can attend church? Anyway, does a city mayor have the constitutional right to interfere with my constitutional rights? I’m fine with guidelines or recommendations during a time of emergency but otherwise they can FO. | |||
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Many people don't show symptoms. Others some, others full blown. China, with all their bullshit, even said November when it cranked up. World travelers slowly trickling out with it. Myself I get sick like I did in December, I work from home, wear a mask so I don't contaminate others, and constantly wash my hands and wipe things down. Same as any cold/flu I have ever gotten. Things like this start slow, gain momentum etc. Makes sense. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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Internet Guru |
If we are careful enough, we can drag this thing out through the end of the year. | |||
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wishing we were congress |
good video of Sen Barrasso yelling at DEMs in the senate worth a watch https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...relief-bill-n2565589 | |||
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Victim of Life's Circumstances |
More anecdotal evidence. Dr Fauci wont like it because it's inexpensive and ready now. https://www.citizenfreepress.c...ro-hospitalizations/ Dr. Vladimir Zelenko of NY has treated more than 500 patients with Hydroxychloroquine and has had zero deaths, zero hospitalizations, and zero intubations. He personally witnessed patient difficulty in breathing improve in 4 hours. ________________________ God spelled backwards is dog | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
If she also wiped her hands with the thing, she was probably GTG. Then again: Disinfecting on entering the store, while it may be great for the store and its other customers, is not optimal for the individual. You want to disinfect last thing as or after leaving the store.
One of my last shopping excursions, before going into mostly SIP on our own, I wore a pair of blue Nitrile gloves. I got looks. In all those stops I saw not one individual other than myself wearing gloves. I saw not one individual using hand sanitizer or disinfectant wipes when they returned to their cars as I was walking through parking lots. Not a one after they finished fueling at the gas station at which I stopped. When I last worked-out, a two weeks ago, few of the members at my gym wiped-down thoroughly after finishing with equipment. I was clothed head-to-foot, including full-fingered gloves, and wiped-down equipment even so. It's really not that difficult: Avoid outside contact that's avoidable. Practice distancing, use a modicum of PPE, and employ rigorous disinfection protocols when it's not. But "people" are too stupid/ignorant/lazy/self-centered to do these things. This is why our governments felt compelled to close-down businesses of various types and invoke stay at home orders. "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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wishing we were congress |
President Trump: "I would love to have the country opened up and raring to go by Easter (April 12),” Peter Alexander: Re: Easter timeline. A WH official tells me Trump does *not* see that as a date by which he begins opening things up, but when the economy is speeding again. That means the loosening of restrictions would, under this scenario, still start much sooner. https://www.breitbart.com/poli...e-it-open-by-easter/ “We can socially distance ourselves and go to work, and you’ll have to work a little bit harder,” Trump said. “You can clean your hands five times as more as you used to, you don’t have to shake hands anymore with people.” Trump said again that he wanted the economy reopened in weeks, not months. He said that putting restrictions on Americans was “one of the most difficult decisions that he ever made.” “You’re basically turning off the country,” he said, adding that, “I wasn’t happy about it, and I also knew I had to do it.” Trump said that the economic shutdown was “painful” and “destabilizing” but that it would soon be time for Americans to return to their lives. “We have to go back to work, much sooner than people thought, and people can go back to work and they can also practice good judgment,” he said. | |||
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I admire his optimism but I fear it will not happen. | |||
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