An article in local news website, the damage the Covid-19 does to infected person's lungs.

https://www.wdbj7.com/content/...ause--569053331.html

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Originally posted by Fenris:
While I do not tend toward conspiracy theories, it is hard to imagine how the American response and testing could have been fucked up any more if it had been an act of deliberate treason.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

The problem with beaurocracies is that the whole point is to eliminate any individual responsibility by hedging everything with so many rules and procedures that any idiot can do any job. They are stupidity institutionalized.

In normal circumstances, they are barely functional. Confronted with something new, they grind to a smoking halt.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
Self-described 'prepper' Charles Dawson was the very first to arrive at 6.30am.

Not so sure "prepper" is an accurate description, considering he waited until after the start of a national emergency to decide to buy a gun...

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Originally posted by Sig Marine:
And then we have this jewel...

”House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) worked to scupper the phase-three coronavirus relief package on Sunday after Majority Whip James Clyburn (D., S.C.) told caucus members last week that the bill was “a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision.”

Link: https://www.nationalreview.com...s-to-fit-our-vision/

Naturally, don't let a crisis go to waste...

Pelosi adds nationwide Ballot Harvesting language to COVID-19 Relief bill

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Originally posted by Sunset_Va:
An article in local news website, the damage the Covid-19 does to infected person's lungs.

What does that guy know?
The numerous experts here have assured us that only old people and those with underlying health problems have anything to worry about from the disease: “Get it and get over it!”

As I mentioned some time ago, it will be interesting to see what the long term effects of COVID-19 turn out to be. If they are more significant than we know right now, it won’t be the first time.

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Originally posted by HRK:

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Originally posted by Sig Marine:
And then we have this jewel...

”House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) worked to scupper the phase-three coronavirus relief package on Sunday after Majority Whip James Clyburn (D., S.C.) told caucus members last week that the bill was “a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision.”

Link: https://www.nationalreview.com...s-to-fit-our-vision/

Naturally, don't let a crisis go to waste...

Pelosi adds nationwide Ballot Harvesting language to COVID-19 Relief bill

It's worse than that. Much worse.

Dan Crenshaw has a video on Facebook. You don't need an account to view it: https://www.facebook.com/Crens...eos/280654589591995/

This is appalling behaviour on the part of Democrats. It must be called out. It's up to us to do it, because you know damn well the dominant "news" media won't

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I'm gonna have myself such a good laugh sometime in the next few months.

We shall see what we shall see, gents. Just wait.

We will know a lot more in a week or two, but early indications seem to point to a massive overreaction/power grab. And the way the media has sensationalized this to help feed that overreaction is criminal. One 33 year old guy died last week and that's all you saw reported for 4 days. Guess what? 33 year old guys die all the time from a myriad of diseases, accidents, etc. They just loved pushing that sky is falling narrative to scare people into thinking anyone, not just older people, could die.

I was so glad President Trump said yesterday we will re-assess all of these lock down orders in 15 days since the cure can't be worse than the problem. I think this nation needed that fucking wake up call. Life will continue.

“TOKYO (AP) — The IOC announced a first-of-its-kind postponement of the Summer Olympics on Tuesday, bowing to the realities of a coronavirus pandemic that is shutting down daily life around the globe and making planning for a massive worldwide gathering in July a virtual impossibility…”

https://apnews.com/fc044c3fa987a60534a804046215f3de

https://apnews.com/982e699459392ba0c4f3c1269b35832f

China to lift lockdown in most of virus-hit Hubei province

Chinese authorities said Tuesday they will end a two-month lockdown of most of coronavirus-hit Hubei province at midnight, as domestic cases of what has become a global pandemic subside.

People with a clean bill of health will be allowed to leave, the provincial government said, easing restrictions on movement that were unprecedented in scale. The city of Wuhan, where the virus was first detected in December, is to remain locked down until April 8.

China barred people from leaving or entering Wuhan beginning Jan. 23 in a surprise middle-of-the-night announcement and expanded that to most of the province in succeeding days. Trains and flights were canceled and checkpoints set up on roads into the central province.

The drastic steps came as the coronavirus began spreading to the rest of China and overseas during the Lunar New Year holiday, when millions of Chinese travel.

The virus raged for weeks in Wuhan, the provincial capital, and surrounding cities. Hospitals overflowed, and temporary ones were hastily set up to try to isolate the growing number of infected patients. More than 2,500 people have died in Wuhan out of 3,270 nationwide.

The outbreak has since been brought under control, and Hubei has seen almost no new infections for more than a week.

The move to end the lockdown showed the authorities’ apparent faith in the success of the drastic measures as they try to kick start the world’s second-largest economy and put money in the pockets of workers, many of whom have gone weeks without pay. It remained unclear, however, which cities and provinces, including Beijing, the capital, would allow people from Hubei to enter their jurisdictions.

About 120,000 migrant workers, including many who had made the traditional trip home to Hubei for Lunar New Year, have already been allowed to leave in recent days on special buses and trains, according to Chinese media reports. The reports said manufacturing centers such as Guangdong and Zhejiang province are open to people from Hubei

Officials have turned their attention to the threat of the virus entering from abroad, with almost all new cases being recorded among people arriving from overseas. China’s National Health Commission on Tuesday reported 78 new coronavirus cases, among which 74 were imported.

Starting Wednesday, Beijing will require everyone coming from overseas to be tested for the coronavirus on top of being quarantined for 14 days. In a notice published online, city authorities said those who have entered the city within the last 14 days will also undergo the mandatory testing.

Babylon Bee headline:

"Dems Worried Stimulus Bill Would Stimulate Economy"

Babylon Bee, a satire site, really has been hitting it out of the park. One of the funniest, most clever groups of folks around today.

I still don't believe a GD thing coming out of China.

No country should allow flights inbound from China for a long time.

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Originally posted by sdy:
Officials have turned their attention to the threat of the virus entering from abroad, with almost all new cases being recorded among people arriving from overseas. China’s National Health Commission on Tuesday reported 78 new coronavirus cases, among which 74 were imported.

How ironic.

The good news, such as it is, is it appears efforts such as quarantining and SIP measures do lead to flattening the curve.

For those still nay-sayers: Look at Italy's curve and our curve. Nearly parallel. Then look at the disaster Italy's healthcare system has become.

I’m now almost certain I had this virus back in mid-December and recovered and didn’t even realize it. I got what I thought was just a bad cold with an awful, awful sore throat and a hacking cough that would not go away. A sore throat for me lasts normally 1-2 days. This lasted 3 full weeks along with the cough, I was coughing so hard and so much I was having to sleep elsewhere to stop waking my wife. My chest hurt for weeks after I finally got over it. Initially went to my doctor after a week, they tested for strep, it was negative and told me it’s “just a cold, suck it up”. After another 10 days of this horrible sore throat and hacking cough, I went to the urgent care and they again tested for strep, negative, flu , negative and took chest x-rays. The doctor I saw told me “it’s a good thing you came in when you did, you were on your way to getting pneumonia” They gave me some heavy duty cough meds and something else and finally after a good 3 weeks I felt better. It was horrible. Never had a cough like that in my life.

Coronavirus found on Diamond Princess surfaces 17 days later

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/...faces-17-days-later/

Coronavirus stays on surfaces far longer than first thought — with traces found in cabins on the stricken Diamond Princess cruise ship 17 days after they were abandoned, according to alarming new research.

The potentially deadly bug was previously understood to live two to three days on some surfaces — but the new report from Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) it lasts more than five times as long.

The coronavirus “was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated on the Diamond Princess but before disinfection procedures had been conducted,” according to the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

However, the report stressed that the research “cannot be used to determine whether transmission occurred from contaminated surfaces” and the traces were active enough to get anyone sick.

The alarming discovery came in a study of the bug’s terrifying spread in cruise ships, with the CDC calling for further study of the ships.

“During the initial stages of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Diamond Princess was the setting of the largest outbreak outside mainland China,” the CDC report noted.

More than 700 of the ship’s 3,700 passengers and crew later tested positive for the coronavirus, the study says.

From the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volum...htm?s_cid=mm6912e3_w

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by Sunset_Va:
An article in local news website, the damage the Covid-19 does to infected person's lungs.

What does that guy know?
The numerous experts here have assured us that only old people and those with underlying health problems have anything to worry about from the disease: “Get it and get over it!”

As I mentioned some time ago, it will be interesting to see what the long term effects of COVID-19 turn out to be. If they are more significant than we know right now, it won’t be the first time.

Your straw man arguements are old.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by sdy:
Officials have turned their attention to the threat of the virus entering from abroad, with almost all new cases being recorded among people arriving from overseas. China’s National Health Commission on Tuesday reported 78 new coronavirus cases, among which 74 were imported.

How ironic.

The good news, such as it is, is it appears efforts such as quarantining and SIP measures do lead to flattening the curve.

For those still nay-sayers: Look at Italy's curve and our curve. Nearly parallel. Then look at the disaster Italy's healthcare system has become.

Become? It was already a disaster. And like I said, they have just under double the percentage of people that smoke.

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Originally posted by PASig:
I’m now almost certain I had this virus back in mid-December and recovered and didn’t even realize it. I got what I thought was just a bad cold with an awful, awful sore throat and a hacking cough that would not go away. A sore throat for me lasts normally 1-2 days. This lasted 3 full weeks along with the cough, I was coughing so hard and so much I was having to sleep elsewhere to stop waking my wife. My chest hurt for weeks after I finally got over it. Initially went to my doctor after a week, they tested for strep, it was negative and told me it’s “just a cold, suck it up”. After another 10 days of this horrible sore throat and hacking cough, I went to the urgent care and they again tested for strep, negative, flu , negative and took chest x-rays. The doctor I saw told me “it’s a good thing you came in when you did, you were on your way to getting pneumonia” They gave me some heavy duty cough meds and something else and finally after a good 3 weeks I felt better. It was horrible. Never had a cough like that in my life.

sorry about your illness. I was down for the week of 3/8. I chaulked it up to a rhinovirus (coronavirus). kept it out of my lungs which is a feat for me.
I am thinking there are a lot of folks at home suffering from Covd-19 or any other illness.

And that is the point. We should be suffering in isolation if possible unless it progresses to shortness of breath/cardiac issues.

Serology studies will be interesting to see who has antibodies but never needed hospital assistance. This will be part of the ramping up of the touchy part of the economy.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Your straw man arguements are old.

If you're going to call people out for logical fallacies, you might want to make certain they're applicable. His argument may have been inflammatory, but it certainly was no straw man. Some here have based their position on the "fact" that younger people with no complicating morbidities will "get it and get over it."

The article to which Sunset_Va referred suggests Covid-19 does lasting damage to the lungs in some patients. If true: Now we have somebody that will have a comorbidity they didn't have before. Now they're in the higher-risk pool for the next thing to come around.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

For those still nay-sayers: Look at Italy's curve and our curve. Nearly parallel. Then look at the disaster Italy's healthcare system has become.

Your straw man arguments are old as well.

As for sigfreund's statement, not a single person here has made the claim that only old people and folks with other issues need to worry about this.

There are overreactions just about everywhere but the one that isn't and has me concerned is the shortage of protective gear in our hospitals. There's a story this morning about hospitals being forced to reuse medical masks in particular because of the shortage. Like drugs and other things, we allowed ourselves to become too dependent on China as the source and now our hospitals are having to resort to decontamination and reuse. From the article:

With a shortage of medical masks across the country, some hospitals are now using equipment with ultraviolet light to decontaminate masks so they can be reused.

Nevada-based medical equipment company TMG Health Technologies received hundreds of orders from hospitals around the country in the past week for its Rapid Decontamination Systems, portable ultraviolet light machines used to disinfect medical instruments like stethoscopes in 30 seconds by killing viruses and bacteria on surfaces. Now, they’re being increasingly used to disinfect N95 masks amid the shortage of the masks and other personal protective equipment.

The machines, which fit up to eight masks, use UVC rays at specific wavelengths, which can kill viruses by destroying the molecular bonds that fuse DNA strands together.

“There is a limitation on the number of times it [the N95 mask] should be decontaminated simply because every time you decontaminate the mask, it impacts the filtration capacity," Green explained.

Doctors typically use a new N95 mask -- tight-fitting face-covers that filter out particles that could carry the coronavirus and other germs -- to treat each patient. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration recommends wearing surgical masks, including the N95 mask once. However, as medical professionals struggle with shrinking supplies of personal protective equipment, doctors say using ultraviolet light to kill viruses as a decontamination method is an option.

“It [ultraviolet light] appears to damage the shell of the virus in a way that prevents it from infecting human cells,” Dr. Bob Morris, a Seattle-based environmental epidemiologist who has taught at Harvard University School of Public Health said. “We’re in desperate times, and desperate times call for desperate measures. If you do it right, you can reduce the amount of virus that’s active on that piece of gear.”

article continues...

https://www.foxbusiness.com/he...-decontaminate-reuse

I'm getting first-hand accounts of the shortage from the hospitals where my wife (a nurse) and daughter (a doctor) work. They're using a single mask for an entire shift in most cases and then salvaging it for reuse later because there's such a shortage. They and the hospitals are looking the possibility of fabricating "homemade" masks if necessary. Fortunately, 3M and others are supposedly ramping up production, and Lowe's and others are donating masks that will be distributed to some hospitals so I'm hoping it won't come to that.

As for the "stimulus bill," Pelosi and Company are trying to rob the bank and steal the kitchen sink too with the amount of pork and idiocy they're stuffing into it. The Republicans better hold their ground and stick to things related to the virus if they decide to pass anything at all.