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The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

I saw that Italy was revising down their reported deaths. I was wondering how many had risen from the dead.

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Now we get to see what COVID-19 does in a nation with poor air quality, poor medical care (generally), and poor sanitation.

Re India:
You mean that's not, to some extent, China?

several posters have noted dense living conditions in NY City.

This article drives that home

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...-crowds-density.html

New York has tried to slow the spread of the coronavirus by closing its schools, shutting down its nonessential businesses and urging its residents to stay home almost around the clock. But it faces a distinct obstacle in trying to stem new cases: its cheek-by-jowl density.

New York is far more crowded than any other major city in the United States. It has 28,000 residents per square mile, while San Francisco, the next most jammed city, has 17,000, according to data from the U.S. Census Bureau.

All of those people, in such a small space, appear to have helped the virus spread rapidly through packed subway trains, busy playgrounds and hivelike apartment buildings, forming ever-widening circles of infections and making New York the nation’s epicenter of the outbreak.

“Density is really an enemy in a situation like this,” said Dr. Steven Goodman, an epidemiologist at Stanford University. “With large population centers, where people are interacting with more people all the time, that’s where it’s going to spread the fastest.”

On an average workday, more than 5 million people jostle onto the city’s subway trains

Far more people live in cramped public housing units in New York — 400,000 — than in any other city. And nearly 40 million people visit Times Square every year, making it one of the busiest tourist attractions in the world.

New York City is now among the worst hot spots in the world

initial measures to control the spread of the virus were not working, especially in New York City, where people had been gathering in parks over the weekend and not staying far enough away from each other.

Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida said on Monday that he would sign an executive order directing the state’s surgeon general to require anyone flying to the state from New York or New Jersey to observe a mandatory 14-day quarantine.

Many coronavirus cases in Florida, especially in counties that include Miami, Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach, have been tied to New York, and a recent uptick in travel from the region suggested New Yorkers were flying to Florida to flee restrictions.

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Then again, as for what other people do or don’t do, I saw a woman take a disinfecting wipe from the dispenser at a store, pick up the handle of a hand basket with her bare hands, and then carefully wipe it down.

If she also wiped her hands with the thing, she was probably GTG.

Yes, but she didn’t wipe her hands (and the wipes at our store specifically say they’re not for personal sanitation). It was get the wipe, pick up the basket by the handle, wipe the handle, discard the wipe. My point was that if the handle was contaminated, she got that when she picked it up. And I am of course assuming that she didn’t follow the other proper measures after I saw her. She might have avoided touching her face, etc., throughout her visit and then cleaned up properly after shopping.

I just thought it odd that she didn't wipe the handle before touching it with her hand.

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my wife and I

If both are at risk and concerned why in the world would you both go and expose yourself? Realize in close home quarters may not matter ultimately, but every reduction in odds for one of you seems like it makes sense?

It was a calculated risk. Since we sleep, eat and live together the chance of spread between us would be high. By shopping together we were able to work as a team. One handling things possibly contaminated. One handling things tat wren't. And both looking out for each other.

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I just thought it odd that she didn't wipe the handle before touching it with her hand.

As odd as it may sound to you and me: Some (?) people just don't grasp how things work. Even things as simple as this. No, I don't understand how they can fail to understand it, either, but here we are.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Then again, as for what other people do or don’t do, I saw a woman take a disinfecting wipe from the dispenser at a store, pick up the handle of a hand basket with her bare hands, and then carefully wipe it down.

If she also wiped her hands with the thing, she was probably GTG.

Yes, but she didn’t wipe her hands (and the wipes at our store specifically say they’re not for personal sanitation). It was get the wipe, pick up the basket by the handle, wipe the handle, discard the wipe. My point was that if the handle was contaminated, she got that when she picked it up. And I am of course assuming that she didn’t follow the other proper measures after I saw her. She might have avoided touching her face, etc., throughout her visit and then cleaned up properly after shopping.

I just thought it odd that she didn't wipe the handle before touching it with her hand.

It will probably be SOP when this is over.

Italy’s rate of new cases seems to be trending downward. This is usually the first sign of flattening. A week of this would indicate a real trend downward.

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Italy’s rate of new cases seems to be trending downward. This is usually the first sign of flattening. A week of this would indicate a real trend downward.

That would be good news. Let's hope this is the case.

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Retards Decide That Fish Tank Cleaner Is a Useful and Safe Drug for Pre-Emptively Treating Coronavirus; Media Blames Trump

This is what they ingested. Notice it says NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION, but the media is trying to spin this as saying "Trump is telling the public it's ok to eat fish tank cleaner"

I knew this was going to happen. Fools everywhere.

^Chubbyemu will probably have a video on this soon

Death toll in Italy is likely correct, but I read an article that said that possibly only 1 of every 10 cases in Italy is getting diagnosed, which, if true would make the death rate artificially higher.

But Italy does have Europe's oldest population, 23% of people are over 65 IIRC.

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Italy may be misreporting their death rate:

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The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy? The country's high death toll is due to an ageing population, overstretched health system and the way fatalities are reported

As further evidence of the stupidity so prevalent now....I was at a local grocers picking up just a few items today. At the checkout I went to hand the cashier the money and was told we had to put money on the counter, then she picked it up....made change and gave it back by again placing it on the counter for me. When I pointed out to her that this was total stupidity because we both still handled the money anyway she just stood there with a stupid look on her face before the light bulb came on and agreed it was stupid, and not any real precaution. Then she said that is just what the managers said to do. People have lost their damn minds!

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Why I decided to start wearing a mask at the grocery store—and how many others are now?

My mife has chronic bronchitis/bronchialitus. One son has asthma. An aunt has COPD. And I have diabetes. So I am not reassured when told that most deaths are attributable to age and comorbidities. I wear a mask.

I wasn't happy about it but yesterday my wife and I went to a big box store. We both wore N95 masks and nitrile gloves. I forgot the shooting glasses. She didn't touch anything the entire time we were there. She would point to what she wanted. She carried the money handed it to me and I paid. I loaded the back of the pickup.
She opened the door and gave me a squirt of the flu goo so I could sterilize gloves before removing them. Shot of flu goo. Remove masks without touching. More goo and then head home.

Once home, non-perishables go in garage to rest for what is it now 17 days I think. Fruit gets a bath in diluted bleach then rinsed. Frozen meat boxes get sprayed with dilute bleach, contents removed and taken too freezer.

I wash hands again, throw clothes in washer on sterilize, and take a shower.

100% foolproof? No. But I did what I could.

You can also spray down your non perishables with Lysol, wait 90 seconds, and store/shelf them. That's what I have my MIL doing, who has similar comorbidities.

Stay well.

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Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida said on Monday that he would sign an executive order directing the state’s surgeon general to require anyone flying to the state from New York or New Jersey to observe a mandatory 14-day quarantine.

Many coronavirus cases in Florida, especially in counties that include Miami, Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach, have been tied to New York, and a recent uptick in travel from the region suggested New Yorkers were flying to Florida to flee restrictions.

Just ban them from coming here at all,..

A lot of the problem with masks and other PPE is hospitals switched to the JIT (Just in Time) system of ordering supplies. It allows just 3 days of supplies to be kept on hand. Hospital administrators embraced this system 25 yrs ago+/- . All supplies, towels, toothpaste, everything in order to streamline their budget.
It’s used to be hospital storerooms would have plenty of supplies. A lot of hospitals were independent of each other. Now it’s groups of hospitals lumped together under the same brand all hooked to the JIT system.
Without a catastrophe things were good, but now not so much.

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As further evidence of the stupidity so prevalent now....I was at a local grocers picking up just a few items today. At the checkout I went to hand the cashier the money and was told we had to put money on the counter, then she picked it up....made change and gave it back by again placing it on the counter for me. When I pointed out to her that this was total stupidity because we both still handled the money anyway she just stood there with a stupid look on her face before the light bulb came on and agreed it was stupid, and not any real precaution. Then she said that is just what the managers said to do. People have lost their damn minds!

We've had payment threads on here before, and my suggestion to everyone who has it setup, is to use Google Pay, Samsung Pay, or Apple Pay at checkout and completely avoid any exchanges with the cashiers. Oh, and when she/he asks if you want your receipt, the answer is, "No thank you".

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Originally posted by Sigfest:
A lot of the problem with masks and other PPE is hospitals switched to the JIT (Just in Time) system of ordering supplies. It allows just 3 days of supplies to be kept on hand. Hospital administrators embraced this system 25 yrs ago+/- . All supplies, towels, toothpaste, everything in order to streamline their budget.
It’s used to be hospital storerooms would have plenty of supplies.

The quantity of infection control supplies required now vs 3 decades ago is enormous. Storing long term inventories of supplies just isn't feasible in many locations. I was in dental school when the AIDS epidemic was the driving force behind Universal Precautions (now called Standard Precautions). Prior to that, masks and gloves were rarely used outside of the OR.

Holy Over reaction batman...Orange County FL just issued Stay In Place starting Thursday night - 50 confirmed cases, 2 deaths.

Leon County/Tallahassee issued Stay in Place and a Curfew - 8 confirmed cases, 0 deaths.

I wonder if this is a D vs R thing - since both are run by D's and the Florida Governor (R) is resisting putting the state on Lockdown.

Maybe the hospitals are flooded with patients on ventilators but haven't been tested? What else could cause this type of reaction?

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We've had payment threads on here before, and my suggestion to everyone who has it setup, is to use Google Pay, Samsung Pay, or Apple Pay at checkout and completely avoid any exchanges with the cashiers. Oh, and when she/he asks if you want your receipt, the answer is, "No thank you".

Of course that only works if the store in question has caught up to the 21st century so their PoS terminals support such payment methods. I can think of three major chains that still do not: Walmart, Home Depot and Lowe's. Meanwhile, the little podunk, one-off hardware store 'round the corner does. But then their terminal comes up demanding a signature, even for the smallest amount. Then there's the Costco pharmacy, where I otherwise could've gotten off touch-free, except they had to have my driver's license because meth heads. And one of the local indoor ranges, which keeps your DL while you're on a lane