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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Interesting interview. Until it is nuked.

Around 25 minutes in and 32 minutes in he makes the case that getting the vaccine causes the immume system to produce specific antibodies which reduces the immune system's ability to produce other non-specific antibodies leaving a person more vulnerable to mutated forms of the specific virus as well as other infections.

I suspect on some level that this is true. I know there are people whose immune systems spend so much time fighting one disease, that their immune systems have trouble fighting others. How applicable is this to people with healthy immume systems? Will getting the COVID vaccine make a person more vulmerable to the flu, for example?

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Originally posted by trapper189:
How applicable is this to people with healthy immume systems? Will getting the COVID vaccine make a person more vulmerable to the flu, for example?

Warnings about this have been expressed for quite some time. This is one of the later articles on the topic.
Here is the link.
https://childrenshealthdefense...-pathogenic-priming/

UPDATED 12/10/20

Pfizer COVID Vaccine Trial Shows Alarming Evidence of Pathogenic Priming in Older Adults
The Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Briefing Document on the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine contains disturbing indications that might be a safety signal on pathogenic priming, especially in older adults.

By
James Lyons-Weiler, Ph.D.
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

In the development of vaccines against coronaviruses like SARS-COV-1 and MERS in the early 2000’s, researchers found evidence of a serious problem. Teams of U.S. and foreign scientists vaccinated animals with the four most promising vaccines. At first, the experiment seemed successful as all the animals developed a robust antibody response to coronavirus. However, when the scientists exposed the vaccinated animals to the wild virus, the results were horrifying. Vaccinated animals suffered hyper-immune responses including inflammation throughout their bodies, especially in their lungs.

This issue is well known. Early in the COVID-19 scenario, Dr. Peter Hotez, of Baylor College of Medicine, testified before Congress about the dangers of accelerating coronavirus vaccine development, saying “(The) unique safety problem of coronavirus vaccines” was discovered 50 years ago while developing the Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) vaccine.”

He went to register that this “‘paradoxical immune enhancement phenomenon’ means vaccinated people may still develop the disease, get sicker and die.”

Researchers had seen this same “enhanced immune response” during human testing of the failed RSV vaccine tests in the 1950s. The vaccines not only failed to prevent infection; 80% of the children infected required hospitalization, and two children challenged with the RSV died (see Openshaw, 2005). In April of 2020, Hotez told CNN, “If there is immune enhancement in animals, that’s a showstopper.”

There’s been a serious terminology problem with this issue. The problem, of course, is not “immune enhancement,” which sounds like something helpful to the immune system. In fact, it is quite the opposite. The problem is, in reality “disease enhancement”; in fact, that is what it was called in the original RSV study. Disease enhancement now appears to be caused by initial exposure to a pathogen’s proteins, or parts of proteins, which primes the body to autoimmunity. That is “pathogenic priming.” In COVID-19, every protein in the SARS-CoV-2 has at least one epitope that matches human proteins someplace in the human body. About one-third of the epitopes in SARS-CoV-2 virus that match human proteins match immune system proteins.

The Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Briefing Document on the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine contains disturbing indications that might be a safety signal on pathogenic priming, especially in older adults. Before those are reviewed, there are fundamental issues with the classification of serious adverse events that reflect the short-term thinking and externalization-of-cost mindset of the vaccine safety science paradigm.

The first issue is the categorization of “Serious vs. Non-Serious” adverse events in the study and in the report. To a person experiencing neurologic adverse events including Bell’s Palsy, neuroinflammatory and thrombotic events, these events are not “non-serious” and can, over time, develop into life-threatening conditions that require continuous medical intervention and repeated billable office visits for care. The short-term study excludes any means of detecting whether the initial exposure may play a fundamental root cause role in setting up patients for life-long chronic illness. The vaccine adverse events themselves seen in the Pfizer study may be indicative of pathogenic priming, especially since more serious adverse events were seen with the second dose.

The second issue is that the design and analysis set-up of the study are biased against finding adverse events.

The report states:

“Among non-serious unsolicited adverse events, there was a numerical imbalance of four cases of Bell’s palsy in the vaccine group compared with no cases in the placebo group, though the four cases in the vaccine group do not represent a frequency above that expected in the general population.”

The comparison to baseline rates is meaningless because other vaccines are in use in the population. Thus, any risk due to the COVID-19 vaccine adds to or multiplies existing risk present in the population from other vaccines.

A 10-fold increase of serious adverse events on second dose in older adults on second dose, compared to 3.6-fold for those under 55
Among the 18-55 year-old participants, there were 370 solicited serious adverse events (SSAEs) in the vaccinated group and 73 in the unvaccinated. Of the vaccinated, 18% experienced SSAEs; in the placebo group, only 3% did, implying that SSAEs can be expected at a rate five times greater in the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated.

These included severe fatigue, headache, chills, vomiting, diarrhea, muscle and joint pain. Whether these conditions represent instances of pathogenic priming, identifying individuals who are now at higher risk of serious morbidity and mortality if they become infected with SARS-CoV-2 is unknown, but given past studies, seems likely.

In the over 55 group, which was a smaller group, there were 60 SSAEs in the vaccinated group and 24 in the unvaccinated. Of the vaccinated, 6.5% experienced SAEs, compared to 1.4% in the unvaccinated, implying a 4.46 times increased risk overall of SSAEs due to vaccination.

However, in the older group, the vaccinated group was 10 times more likely to have a SSAE upon receipt of the second vaccine dose than the first dose compared to the 1:1 ratio in the unvaccinated. In the younger group, the vaccinated were only 3.61 times more likely to have second-dose SSAEs than the age-matched placebo group, which had about as many SSAEs in the first and second dose.

Animal trials insufficient

The patients in the study reviewed were healthy — and thus the spectrum of adverse events is not representative of those that might occur if the vaccine comes to market. In the previous animal trials, the first dose was a vaccine, but the second was natural infection, leading to severe injury and often death. In these human trials, both doses were from the vaccine, so it is also not reassuring that these adverse events did not include the more serious and deadly conditions that afflicted animals.

These human trials did not rule out pathogenic priming in any way. Both the Moderna and Pfizer animal studies, which used non-human primates, failed to examine organ sites other than lung, and while they studied potential markers of pathogenic priming, they failed to measure one: interleukin-5 (IL-5), which had been found in prior coronavirus studies to be elevated in conjunction with pathogenic priming-induced disease enhancement.

Recalling that animal studies conducted on prior COVID vaccines found pathogenic priming leading to disease enhancement in older animals more than younger animals, older adults may be at highest risk of serious chronic illness due to autoimmunity resulting from vaccine-induced pathogenic priming. Dr. Anthony Fauci has informed the public that these vaccines do not stop transmission. Therefore, the next dose of the viral proteins in the form of a natural infection for these study participants — a SARS-CoV-2 infection leading to COVID19 — may be their last. The study should be extended to long-term follow up, including any further vaccination or exposure to SARS-CoV-2 viral proteins by infection.

So why have the world’s top vaccine promoters, like Paul Offit and Peter Hotez, been warning us frantically about the unique and frightening dangers inherent in developing a coronavirus vaccine?

In this video footage, Offit, Hotez and even Fauci (in an unguarded moment), warn that any new coronavirus vaccine could trigger lethal immune reactions, “vaccine enhancement,” when vaccinated people come in contact with the wild virus. Instead of proceeding with caution, Fauci made the reckless choice to fast track vaccines, partially funded by Gates, without critical animal studies before moving into human clinical trials that could provide early warning of runaway immune responses.

Gates (in this video) is so worried about the danger of adverse events that he says vaccines shouldn’t be distributed until governments agree to indemnify against lawsuits. On Feb. 4, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website, there were only 11 active CV cases in the U.S., yet the U.S. quietly pushed through federal regulations giving coronavirus vaccine makers full immunity from liability.

Sometimes you need more than a mask.

Israelis are being forced to wear ankle bracelets to participate in society if they don't get the Vaccines.

Many here might not know what's going on in ISRAEL. Numerous videos have been posted from citizens of Israel in an effort to get the word out on what's going on. The MSM is censoring much of this by either removing the videos or making them difficult to find.


OUTCRY TO THE WORLD, FROM ISRAEL!!!

Ilana Rachel Daniel came with an emotional outcry for help from Jerusalem, the capital of Israel. At record speed, the government is trying to vaccinate the entire population - including pregnant women and small children - against the corona virus. "Civil rights are put aside and people can only participate in society again after vaccination," told Ilana to Flavio Pasquino in the BLCKBX studio via a live stream connection, who tracked down Ilana after an - even - more emotional audio clip on Telegram. Ilana talks about the Green Pass, the Freedom Bracelet, the mRNA vaccine and human rights violations. "Currently reminiscent of the Holocaust," said the Jewess who emigrated from the US to Jerusalem 30 years ago.

Ilana Rachel is active in Jerusalem as a health advisor and information officer for a new political party (Rappeh) that is heavily opposed by the regime. Opening a banc account is not possible and members of the party are also thwarted in their daily lives.

This is an official platform to find more info about Rappeh:

https://peakd.com/@rappeh​

The facebook group has been removed and the site can no longer be found, but through this newspaper article you can find some information about the activities of her and the party.

https://www.jewishpress.com/multimedi...​

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Dr Vernon Coleman:

Covid Vaccines are WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION & Could Wipe Out the Human Race (Dr Vernon Coleman)

https://www.bitchute.com/video/grk7cQP3ISCC/

https://www.vernoncoleman.com/greatesthoax.pdf

https://brandnewtube.com/@DrVernonColeman

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Originally posted by 41:
Dr Vernon Coleman:

Covid Vaccines are WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION & Could Wipe Out the Human Race (Dr Vernon Coleman)

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Vernon Coleman

This guy? Not sure I agree with him.


Vernon Coleman (born 18 May 1946) is an English conspiracy theorist, anti-vaccination activist, AIDS denialist, blogger and novelist who writes on topics related to human health, politics and animal issues. Coleman's medical claims have been widely discredited and described as pseudoscientific. He was formerly a newspaper columnist and general practitioner (GP).

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Originally posted by konata88:
So instead of being wiped out by one massive mighty comet, instead it will be from trillions of wimpy viruses that we can’t even see?

I have long held that when man is eventually eliminated from the planet, it will be directly due to his own arrogance, ego, and meddling in things he does not understand.

The video posted above was very interesting in that even a non-clinician like me can grasp the points the doctor was trying to make. It still seems to me that if you're in a group that's at a low risk of death from Covid, you're far better served trusting your own immune system to protect you than to attempt to introduce something into your immune system that might supercharge one aspect of of it at the cost of others. The term un-intended consequences popped into my mind several times as I watched that video.

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Originally posted by konata88:

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Vernon Coleman

This guy? Not sure I agree with him.


Vernon Coleman (born 18 May 1946) is an English conspiracy theorist, anti-vaccination activist, AIDS denialist, blogger and novelist who writes on topics related to human health, politics and animal issues. Coleman's medical claims have been widely discredited and described as pseudoscientific. He was formerly a newspaper columnist and general practitioner (GP).

I would ask that you not judge this gentleman by his Wiki page edited by Hit Job artists. Please watch some of his videos before coming to any conclusions. He has been pointing out inconvenient truths for years and has been hammered for it.

From very early on, he has been pointing out the corruption that has been going on in England.

Here is a link to Brandnewtube channel.
https://brandnewtube.com/@DrVernonColeman

Here is a link to his website.
http://www.vernoncoleman.com/main.htm

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Originally posted by 41:
Dr Vernon Coleman:

Covid Vaccines are WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION & Could Wipe Out the Human Race (Dr Vernon Coleman)

https://www.bitchute.com/video/grk7cQP3ISCC/

https://www.vernoncoleman.com/greatesthoax.pdf

https://brandnewtube.com/@DrVernonColeman

Can we please not include crap like this? A tiny fraction of reputable / respectable doctors and scientists actually support far out claims like this.

Unless this is here just to provide some comic relief in an otherwise serious thread. In that case, thank you .

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Originally posted by Copefree:


Can we please not include crap like this? A tiny fraction of reputable / respectable doctors and scientists actually support far out claims like this.

Unless this is here just to provide some comic relief in an otherwise serious thread. In that case, thank you .

So we listen to the minority of doctors willing to say masks don't work and ignore the minority of doctors who say vaccines don't work. Got it.

The majority of studies show masks don't work...

Backed by the common sense of the typical non-PPE trained person wearing a cheap disposable mask (or just a piece of cloth!), not fitted and for many many uses (as opposed to single use) and not following any other recommended sanitary guidelines isn't gonna do much.

Studies of medical personnel wearing properly fitted N95s and other PPE, single use in a controlled hospital setting show all of that is only marginally effective, so worth doing but not a huge factor and a far cry from the public walking around in a crap mask with big gaps, multiple use, and following no other protocols.

Does anyone believe "face coverings" (non-N95) work?

I don't think even Fauci believes it anymore.

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Originally posted by Strambo:
The majority of studies show masks don't work...

Backed by the common sense of the typical non-PPE trained person wearing a cheap disposable mask (or just a piece of cloth!), not fitted and for many many uses (as opposed to single use) and not following any other recommended sanitary guidelines isn't gonna do much.

Studies of medical personnel wearing properly fitted N95s and other PPE, single use in a controlled hospital setting show all of that is only marginally effective, so worth doing but not a huge factor and a far cry from the public walking around in a crap mask with big gaps, multiple use, and following no other protocols.

Yet most doctors advocate for them, and most on here tend to agree with the minority of doctors who say they don't work. I'm not willing to discount the minority of doctors saying these vaccines are a risk. That is the point. Just because that doctor is in the minority it doesn't make it crap.

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Originally posted by Yanert98:
Does anyone believe "face coverings" (non-N95) work?

I don't think even Fauci believes it anymore.

Fauci never believed it. And obviously still doesn't believe it.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Yanert98:
Does anyone believe "face coverings" (non-N95) work?

I don't think even Fauci believes it anymore.

Fauci never believed it. And obviously still doesn't believe it.

They need people to wear them to keep the fear tactics going.
Their plan has worked for the most part.

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They need people to wear them to keep the fear tactics going.
Their plan has worked for the most part.

All about the visual! And now it's a status symbol.

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Originally posted by Ackks:

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Originally posted by Strambo:
The majority of studies show masks don't work...

Backed by the common sense of the typical non-PPE trained person wearing a cheap disposable mask (or just a piece of cloth!), not fitted and for many many uses (as opposed to single use) and not following any other recommended sanitary guidelines isn't gonna do much.

Studies of medical personnel wearing properly fitted N95s and other PPE, single use in a controlled hospital setting show all of that is only marginally effective, so worth doing but not a huge factor and a far cry from the public walking around in a crap mask with big gaps, multiple use, and following no other protocols.

Yet most doctors advocate for them, and most on here tend to agree with the minority of doctors who say they don't work. I'm not willing to discount the minority of doctors saying these vaccines are a risk. That is the point. Just because that doctor is in the minority it doesn't make it crap.

This minority you are referring to was a majority before February 2020. Most of them have been silenced into compliance.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:

This minority you are referring to was a majority before February 2020. Most of them have been silenced into compliance.

Sky is blue. You think that can't happen with the vaccines as well? I'm not sure what to believe but I'm not discounting doctors who are speaking out.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Yanert98:
Does anyone believe "face coverings" (non-N95) work?

I don't think even Fauci believes it anymore.

Fauci never believed it. And obviously still doesn't believe it.

This is now merely a way for our masters to see who they're able to lead around on a leash, and who's going to be a problem.