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Originally posted by chellim1:

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You know what is annoying the hell out of me? I'm mid kitchen remodel. Already been going on for seven months, probably not going to be completed for a while now.

There ought to be a thread for that...
Or am I missing what your kitchen has to do with the coronavirus?

BTW: Nice oven.
Further thread drift: My wife recently had a small oven fire. She threw baking soda on it. That put out the fire, but wiped out the bake element. So, I know what it's like to be without an oven.

There is one in 'whats your deal'. Damn project has been going on for so long, it's probably auto pruned.

Connection = virus will probably add more delays. Trim Carpenter is supposed to be coming back on Wednesday for day two of punch out work, hopefully he remembers to bring all of his tools this time. Can't get the countertop guy to return my calls. Can't get backsplash or kitchen sink until countertops are installed. At least there's no Italian marble involved.

Connection #2 Lysol and hand wipes sitting on my plywood countertop.

Gotcha. Best wishes that it's completed soon.

From Johns Hopkins




You can see why President Trump would stop travel from Europe.

Also can see U.S. west coast and east coast concentration

Italy and Iran are especially interactive w China

data at left is "confirmed" cases. Sometimes you will see data for "presumptive" cases. Normally this is a sequence: an initial positive from a lower reliability test would be "presumptive", then a follow on more accurate test would be "confirmed"

This is why we need domestic production of stuff. Globalism is not good, especially when we have to rely on buying stuff from our enemies.

China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs

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data at left is "confirmed" cases.

And data at right is "recovered" cases, which at 69,645 is more than half of "confirmed" cases.

All Oregon K-12 schools shut down until April 1. I'm fortunate that my mother lives with us and there's no daycare issue. My wife is Brazilian and a germaphobe, so the house is always dust-free and very clean. There's a saying in Brazil. "You either have a house-cleaner, or you are a house-cleaner."

I'll be staying home in the mornings to play 4th grade school teacher and then going to work in the evenings.

My wife is an OR nurse at a level-1 trauma center, so she ain't missing work. I do get more time to work on guns.

Tony.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
People are obviously rookies, you can wipe your ass just fine with Kleenex.

True, but flushing Kleenex can cause problems, as it doesn't dissolve as well as toilet paper.

That's the cities problem, eh?

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
This is why we need domestic production of stuff. Globalism is not good, especially when we have to rely on buying stuff from our enemies.

China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs

Ah, how the leftist dream of Globalism / Socialism dies... by a virus from China...

The big question, in the face of this hysteria, is who really runs this country? The government or the media/social media?

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
The big question, in the face of this hysteria, is who really runs this country? The government or the media/social media?

The answer is who the people allow to run the country. So far it seems to be the media / social media.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
People are obviously rookies, you can wipe your ass just fine with Kleenex.

True, but flushing Kleenex can cause problems, as it doesn't dissolve as well as toilet paper.

That's the cities problem, eh?

Unless one is on septic.

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Originally posted by GA Gator:
Youth baseball tournaments ARE NOT canceled in the Atlanta metro area. The schools are closed but ball games are still on (for now).

You might want to check again.

https://aausports.org/news.php?news_id=1875381

My daughter plays travel softball. All of the leagues she plays in (PGF, USSSA, NSA) fall under the purview of the AAU. She was supposed to play a USSSA tourney this weekend. We are waiting on an official announcement from USSSA, but I think it's a foregone conclusion at this point.

In what way is USSSA affiliated with AAU? I don't think one has anything to do with the other.

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Originally posted by holdem:

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Originally posted by GA Gator:
Youth baseball tournaments ARE NOT canceled in the Atlanta metro area. The schools are closed but ball games are still on (for now).

You might want to check again.

https://aausports.org/news.php?news_id=1875381

My daughter plays travel softball. All of the leagues she plays in (PGF, USSSA, NSA) fall under the purview of the AAU. She was supposed to play a USSSA tourney this weekend. We are waiting on an official announcement from USSSA, but I think it's a foregone conclusion at this point.

In what way is USSSA affiliated with AAU? I don't think one has anything to do with the other.

You are correct. We have to have our association insurance through AAU. Since that insurance covers us for all tournaments, I thought AAU was over all those. I was wrong. So, let's hope we play ball!

Johns Hopkins site showing only 91,773 confirmed cases this morning. What's up with that?

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Calling it the Wuhan virus is accurate and scientifically appropriate, but certainly not racist.

... and a good argument against globalism.

Senator Tom Cotton is dead right:

..."I can tell you that increasingly people are now awake to this threat [from China]," Cotton remarked. "President Trump has done very good job with, frankly, Republicans in Washington over the last four years to make them think a little bit less like corporate managers [and] a little bit more like American patriots first. We made a lot of wrong turns with China over the last 30 years. Now's the time to fix that, and it's time to fix it urgently."
Cotton considered calibrating federal government policy to promote domestic production of medicines towards lessening U.S. dependence on Chinese pharmaceutical exports.

"If you are engaged, for instance, in manufacturing basic pharmaceutical ingredients in China, I suggest to you that you need to pack up and get out, and if you don't do it quickly, then the U.S. government may do it for you," Cotton stated...

..."What we see with the Wuhan coronavirus, it's not a bug. It is a feature of Communist Party rule," Cotton said. "If the Chinese Communist Party had simply been open and transparent in early December, if they acknowledged they had a problem, if they had asked for support from the World Health Organization and world-class scientists, not just from the United States but from countries like South Korea and Japan and the countries of Europe, we might have been able to contain this inside of Wuhan, inside of Hubei province. But no, they acted like communists. They suppressed information. They visited people in the middle of the night who tried to blow the whistle on this virus, and now look where we are..."

Along with President Trump's prescience in instituting a travel ban from China in January, China and our insane trade relationship with that regime has been and remains one of the pillars of his campaign. He fought tooth and nail with Leftists and conventional-wisdom "conservatives" to institute tariffs and other policies that have proved to be wildly successful, exploding the myth that economic "nationalism" and self-interest were bad and globalism good.

Whether or not this disease sprang up because of Chinese primitive to non-existent sanitary standards with food, lack of actual food to feed a billion people daily, some other insidious theories that have been floating around or even some combination of all of them, would-be Emperor Xi stands to benefit from the chaos. It's both perfect cover to distract his imprisoned citizenry from his country's economic stagnation, blame America and Trump for those problems and suppress internal unrest in Hong Kong, Xinjiang and elsewhere. Not saying the disease was released intentionally but it sure came about at just the right time - that is when the Democrats are imploding and Trump cruising to a landslide.

http://ace.mu.nu/

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I still hold my initial opinion that this is essentially the flu, but the reported lack of immunity is now seriously troubling me. And the healthcare capacity to treat the elderly and compromised who need significant support (ventilators and ECMO) may become an issue. As it did in Italy.

I'm the same; still not doomsday prepping, but learning about the capacity problem - including that the domestic healthcare system here has been pretty stressed by just a severe "normal" flu wave - made me understand the quarantine measures which I initially thought overblown. Italy drove the point home.

What I find funny is people thinking the situation there is due to "socialized healthcare", whatever that's supposed to mean, while everybody is also complaining you can't get a sheet of toilet paper in the US. If the market can't meet a sudden demand of that, what do they think will happen if the 90,000 cases equivalent to the current share of the Italian population confirmed infected hit American hospitals?

Continuing the look at national CFRs:

Italy - 1,016 : 15,113 = 6.7 %

Iran - 514 : 11,346 = 4.5 %

South Korea - 71 : 7,979 = 0.9 %

Spain - 120 : 4,209 = 2.9 %

Germany - 7 : 3,117 = 0.2 %

France - 61 : 2,876 = 2.1 %

US - 41 : 1,832 = 2.2 %

Switzerland - 7 : 1,135 = 0.6 %

The way the South Korean rate is approaching the one percent seen in the Diamond Princess, which has been pointed out to be a controlled if small population with no doubt about undiscovered cases, I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be the the general CFR given appropriate medical care.

Interesting theory, did Dean Koontz in his book The Eyes of Darkness predict Coronavirus.
The Book has a passage that predicts Wuhan-400 Virus, it also references its use in 2020...

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Johns Hopkins site showing only 91,773 confirmed cases this morning

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https://www.arcgis.com/apps/op...40299423467b48e9ecf6

as of 3/13/2020 137,066 total confirmed


note: the map at the above site can be zoomed in for more detail

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... and a good argument against globalism.

March 13, 2020
For Italy, multilateral globalism, plus socialism, equals death

Italy's in dire need of help.

Its health care system is collapsing. The coronavirus has put the whole country in quarantine. There are now 15,000 cases, along with 1,018 deaths, the last 24 hours bringing in 188 more. The casualty count is the highest outside China. And it's spreading fast. Until a few days ago, the problem as concentrated in the north. Now, it has spread throughout the whole country.

Anyone with a heart can feel pity and an urge to help them. They need help, bad.

But don't go asking the European Union.

Turns out the open-borders globalist set-up is stiffing the Italians in their hour of need:

First, the EU created the problem by failing to shut down their borders with China, enabling its spread into Italy in the first place. While President Trump was acting swiftly to protect America from the lethal virus, the European Union was saying there was no crisis and calling Trump a xenophobe.

Now, with Italy hit hard based on that hate-Trump 'logic', its medical system is overwhelmed. Its doctors and nurses are exhausted. There's not enough equipment or supplies, and the patients keep coming. Health care is being doled out by triage, old people being told 'no health care for you.' The Italians are appealing for help with masks, surgical equipment, doctors, anything that will enable them to get through it and save human lives -- and the EU is not giving it.

David Freddoso of the Washington Examiner has a must-read column on how the EU is leaving Italy to fend for itself in its hour of need.

Maurizio Massari, Italy’s permanent representative to the European Union, wrote an opinion piece for Politico Europe Tuesday evening publicly shaming fellow EU states for their failure to help, and once again asking them to come together. Instead, European countries are banning the exportation of face masks and other medical equipment needed to deal with the crisis. Germany's health minister, quoted by Politico, argued that this was necessary: “The market is such at present that masks are not going where [they're most] urgently needed, it’s where people pay most money for them.”
This is absurd. First of all, if Germany's government is really so worried about masks not getting where they're needed (as opposed to covering its own backside), they can donate masks to the Italians, can't they? This complaint about profiteering is really just cover for their own fearful selfishness. Maybe Germany is worried about becoming the next Italy, but that isn't the excuse they're giving. They're hiding behind the immorality of profiteering as if that were the real motive.

Why is that a problem? Because the European Union is supposed to be all about lovey-doviness, nations giving of their surplus to help others in need in the name of the greater good. Helping the poor out, putting people first, so unlike that cowboy regime across the pond.

Fredosso continues:

And it may be perfectly understandable for Germany to want to protect its own national interest in a time of crisis, but it runs counter to the entire concept of the EU that we've been hearing so much about during the debate over Brexit. Member states are supposed to benefit by putting aside their own selfish needs. French President Emmanuel Macron has cayled for an even more united post-Brexit EU. What happened to that? Right now, his government is seizing control of masks throughout France. I haven't seen anything about them ending up in Italy.

And as Freddoso notes, all they are getiting is empty EU words, nothing more. So much for all that 'sharing.'

The hard reality here is that nations act in their own self-interest whether they say so or not. That so much propaganda to the contrary has been mouthed by the European Union in the name of preserving its stateless unaccountable bureaucracy, and is often believed by local citizens, is a sad story. Up until now, the Italians had to have been confident their association with the EU would help them. Turns out that is a load of hooey, and reason enough to leave the EU as if the restive nation didn't already have enough of them Open borders for disease, closed borders for help with disease, what a bargain. One hopes the Italians will get wise to this and finally pull the plug.

That's not the only thing that's being discredited, though.

Globalism, as it turns out, seems absolutely lethal when combined with socialism.

Italy has socialized medicine, the kind Bernie Sanders seeks to push on America, leaving the country way less prepared to handle the pandemic than countries with free market health care systems.

The central planners don't have enough beds. There's not enough staff. There's no free market to step in and pick up the slack, it's not allowed. According to this disturbing piece in the Wall Street Journal, there are signs of a medical system failure, the same kind of thing that in past socialist hellhole regimes, has triggered man-caused famines. Now it's a health-care famine for Italy, because, like Venezuela's oilfields, the cash was spent on today-needs and political crowd pleasers such as "free" stuff, instead of invested in to increase "production" (read: profitability). The net result is the same as it is in Venezuela and all socialist hellholes: underinvestment, leading to shambling, subpar, shortage-brimming results. Ain't party-elites making all the decisions grand? According to the Journal:

Italy lags other large European countries in provision of acute-care hospital beds, furnishing 2.62 of them per 1,000 residents as of 2016, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. In Germany it’s 6.06 and in France and the Netherlands it’s 3.15 and 3 respectively. That year, Italy devoted around $913 per capita to inpatient acute and rehabilitative care, compared with $1,338 in France, $1,506 in Germany, and $1,732 in the U.S.

The writer, Joseph Sternberg, notes this:

What accounts for these divergences in health-care resources requires more study than a single newspaper column can provide, but a few early hints emerge. One is the observation that the U.K. and Italy are significantly more dependent on direct government financing of health-care than is France or Germany.

Government accounted for 79% of total health-care spending in the U.K. in 2017, according to Eurostat, and 74% in Italy. Germany and France both rely on compulsory insurance schemes with varying degrees of subsidy and government meddling, but outright government expenditure amounts to only 6% of total health spending in Germany and 5% in France. Covid-19 in this sense is a test of how much one trusts central health planners to make wise long-term decisions that boost resilience in the face of unusual dangers.

And with government making all the decisions about 'universal' health care, what happens now is inhuman. According to Paula Bolyard at PJMedia:


Health officials in Italy have issued guidelines for rationing care as hospitals there struggle to keep up with the surge of patients infected with the coronavirus. Doctors are being told that they'll likely need to deny care to senior citizens and those with other health conditions as the virus explodes across the nation.

Italy has been rocked by the still not-well-understood COVID-29, with more than 1,200 confirmed cases and 827 deaths—second only to China—and 16 million residents currently under quarantine.
An article published by the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (translated here by Yascha Mounk) warns that "It may be necessary to establish criteria of access to intensive care not just on the basis of clinical appropriateness but inspired by the most consensual criteria regarding distributive justice and the appropriate allocation of limited health resources." The report goes on to recommend rationing care to certain populations.


Imagine paying for high taxes for socialist health care all your life only to be told in your hour of need 'too bad, you're too old, no health care for you'?

It's enough to make one hope that Italy snaps to attention on what multilateral globalism combined with socialized medicine, have done for it.

If it can't do that, it remains a lesson for the rest of us, as Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other socialist siren-songers promise the world from all their socialization schemes, always done with the best of intentions, and always collapsing into rubble right when it counts. Socialism fails every time it's tried. Wrap it in the European Union and it fails spectacularly.

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.co...o.html#ixzz6Ga4HaHMn

People are now concerned about how kids will eat food since schools are closed.