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Can Obama pardo her if she hasn't been charged?

Ford pardoned Nixon for crimes he hadn't been formally charged with.

Let's stow all this "pardon" nonsense, please. Really. Come on.

Sooner rather than later we'll see some people tossed under the bus by Hillary. If she doesn't Obama will have no choice but to wash his hands of her and this mess.

Especially now that Fast & Furious is coming back into the limelight. Obama doesn't have the political capital to protect both Clinton and Holder.

With this latest revelation of the "SAP" information on Clinton's server yesterday,I have been monitoring CNN"s website to see how they would spin it.

They are not even reporting it! Or, if they are it is hidden so deep I can not find it.

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Originally posted by IndyRob:
...Especially now that Fast & Furious is coming back into the limelight. Obama doesn't have the political capital to protect both Clinton and Holder.

I'm not holding my breath awating coverage by the MSM.

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...furious-program.html

‘Fast & Furious’ rifle capable of taking down helicopter found in 'El Chapo' cache

By William La Jeunesse
·Published January 20, 2016·
FoxNews.com

A .50-caliber rifle found at Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman’s hideout in Mexico was funneled through the gun-smuggling investigation known as Fast and Furious, sources confirmed Tuesday to Fox News.

A .50-caliber is a massive rifle that can stop a car or, as it was intended, take down a helicopter.

After the raid on Jan. 8 in the city of Los Mochis that killed five of his men and wounded one Mexican marine, officials found a number of weapons inside the house where Guzman was staying, including the rifle, officials said.

When agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives checked serial numbers of the eight weapons found in his possession, they found one of the two .50-caliber weapons traced back to the ATF program, sources said.

Federal officials told Fox News they are not sure how many of the weapons seized from Guzman’s house actually originated in the U.S. and where they were purchased, but are investigating.

Out of the roughly 2,000 weapons sold through Fast and Furious, 34 were .50-caliber rifles that can take down a helicopter, according to officials.

Federal law enforcement sources told Fox News that ‘El Chapo’ would put his guardsmen on hilltops to be on guard for Mexican police helicopters that would fly through valleys conducting raids. The sole purpose of the guardsmen would be to shoot down those helicopters, sources said.

The Fast and Furious operation involved federal agents allowing criminals to buy guns with the intention of tracking them.

Instead, agents from the ATF lost track of 1,400 of the 2,000 guns involved in the sting operation.

The operation allowed criminals to buy guns in Phoenix-area shops with the intention of tracking them once they made their way into Mexico.

The operation became a major distraction for the Obama administration as Republicans in Congress conducted a series of inquiries into how the Justice Department allowed such an operation to happen.

Former Attorney General Eric Holder was held in contempt after he refused to divulge documents for a congressional investigation into the matter.

This is the third time a weapon from the Fast and Furious program has been found at a high-profile Mexican crime scene.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
With this latest revelation of the "SAP" information on Clinton's server yesterday,I have been monitoring CNN"s website to see how they would spin it.

They are not even reporting it! Or, if they are it is hidden so deep I can not find it.

Dude, that's because its classified. Sheesh.

Loose lips leave stained blue dresses or something like that.

I didn't know the ATF gave away .50 cals in Fast and Furious. I thought only AR's were reported.

Wow 34 of the 2000 weapons in Fast and Furious were .50 cals.


At what point do the Dems cut and run away from Hillary? Do they really want to have the Server Mess in the news through the convention and election?

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Originally posted by braillediver:
I didn't know the ATF gave away .50 cals in Fast and Furious. I thought only AR's were reported.

Wow 34 of the 2000 weapons in Fast and Furious were .50 cals.


At what point do the Dems cut and run away from Hillary? Do they really want to have the Server Mess in the news through the convention and election?

The only news it is hitting are the conservative outlets.

The only way to bring this issue to the complicit leftist press is to involve Trump.

You know it's true. They will cover anything Trump is involved in if they feel it's going to be sensational.

Trump calls a news conference for noon EST and declares that this latest evidence against Hillary makes her unqualified to be POTUS, and Trump should call on her to announce her withdrawal from the presidential race.

You guys think I'm trying to be cute? I'm entirely serious. This is how you press the issue. This is how you get the leftist co-conspirators who call themselves journalists to discuss what amounts to espionage from the leading Dem presidential hopeful. Short of an actual indictment from the Justice Department, this is the only way to compel these ass-sucking traitors to cover a real story.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Let's stow all this "pardon" nonsense, please. Really. Come on.

My apologies. Stowed.

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A .50-caliber is a massive rifle that can stop a car or, as it was intended, take down a helicopter.

Just out of curiosity, but is that true? Or was Gregg Jarrett giving out firearm advice again? I thought it's original intention was an anti-tank round.

10mm is for Tanks, the .50 is for Battleships.

Get it straight...

I’m venturing a little into unfamiliar territory, but I do know that rifles chambered for the 50 Browning Machine Gun cartridge were intended to fire the 50 BMG round, not to take down helicopters. That statement is like saying inexpensive, easily-concealable revolvers were designed to murder people.

As for its purpose, rifles chambered for more powerful cartridges than the 50 BMG were developed during WW I for antitank purposes. It wasn’t long, however, before tank armor was upgraded to the point that weapons capable of being fired by one man were no longer effective against them. The 50 BMG was adopted by the US military in 1918, and as I recall it never saw significant, if any, service during the war. If it did, it would not have been effective against the best tanks of that year. And of course there were no helicopters in 1918 for the round to take down.

IIRC, the stated intent of the .50 BMG was in an antiaircraft role; fired by ground troops at aircraft over the battlefield. You have to think in terms of WWI trench warfare.

Well CNN is finally reporting the newest information about Hillary Clinton. It is not on the front page but on the political page.It was not there this morning.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/...ig-report/index.html

And this is how they are spinning it.

"Clinton's spokesman, Brian Fallon, appeared on CNN Wednesday morning to dispute the report. He argued on "New Day" that the information described as "classified" may be no more than a news article that was forwarded, although he ceded it is not entirely clear what classified material the report mentions."

"Fallon also implied the inspector general has an ax to grind with Clinton."

Wow, that's embarrassing. The intelligence IG had to get his staff read in to see a news article.

Do people actually believe this stuff? ...nevermind.

If it is no more than a news article, why are so many of the posted emails blanked out with the code identified as classified material ?

Let the spokesman hand over the specific news articles.

This is all smoke from the Clinton campaign. It needs to be challenged.

There is no classified material on the server, I mean nothing marked "classified" (wink ) at the time it was sent or received. Was the server wiped? What, like with a cloth? What, at this time, does it matter?

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I’m venturing a little into unfamiliar territory, but I do know that rifles chambered for the 50 Browning Machine Gun cartridge were intended to fire the 50 BMG round, not to take down helicopters. That statement is like saying inexpensive, easily-concealable revolvers were designed to murder people.

As for its purpose, rifles chambered for more powerful cartridges than the 50 BMG were developed during WW I for antitank purposes. It wasn’t long, however, before tank armor was upgraded to the point that weapons capable of being fired by one man were no longer effective against them. The 50 BMG was adopted by the US military in 1918, and as I recall it never saw significant, if any, service during the war. If it did, it would not have been effective against the best tanks of that year. And of course there were no helicopters in 1918 for the round to take down.

The helicopter verbiage was in reference to how the cartels used them. They had them stashed throughout a valley to try to take down low flying police helicopters.

Not in reference to the purpose of the initial design.

IG for Intelligence Community Charles McCullough was appointed by Barack Obama.

The Senate, under Democratic control at the time, confirmed his appointment by unanimous consent.

http://hotair.com/archives/201...ead-hillary-e-mails/

Clinton Campaign Spokesman Brian Fallon:

“This is the same interagency dispute that has been playing out for months, and it does not change the fact that these emails were not classified at the time they were sent or received”


“It is alarming that the intelligence community IG, working with Republicans in Congress, continues to selectively leak materials in order to resurface the same allegations and try to hurt Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. The Justice Department’s inquiry should be allowed to proceed without any further interference.”

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"it does not change the fact that these emails were not classified at the time they were sent or received”

every time this is uttered, the media should call this for the BS that it is.