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| wishing we were congress |
Pagliano's lawyer Mark MacDougall, works at the well-connected DC law firm of Akin Gump. Coincidentally or not, Team Hillary’s campaign treasurer also works at Akin Gump, as does longtime Clinton pal Vernon Jordan. A State Department IT tech certainly seems … fortunate to have landed such high-powered representation http://hotair.com/archives/201...mmunity-to-pagliano/ and now this: http://hotair.com/archives/201...ryan-pagliano-story/ Hillary Clinton’s former IT staffer who is asserting his Fifth Amendment right not to answer self-incriminating questions rejected two Senate chairmen’s request for sneak peak at what he’d say if given immunity. In a Wednesday letter obtained by POLITICO, Bryan Pagliano’s lawyer Mark MacDougall told Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Senate Homeland Security Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) that he would give no such preliminary overview, known in legal terms as a proffer. Both chairmen hoped to get a better sense of what Pagliano knew about Clinton’s homebrew server — which he set up in 2009 before she headed to the State Department. But MacDougall, an attorney at Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP, said such an exploratory discussion of what Pagliano knew had no basis in law and could open up his client to accusations that he “waived his right” to avoid self incrimination. “Members of congressional committees and their lawyers have lately taken an expansive view of what constitutes a waiver by an individual citizen of his or her right under the Fifth Amendment,” he wrote. “Any ‘proffer session’ or other disclosure by Mr. Pagliano — or his lawyers acting on his behalf — of the contents of his possible testimony creates the very practical risk that our client will later be said to have waived his constitutional protections.” *********************** We are seeing the big money in action.  Vernon Jordan and a close friend | |||
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That could be, but there is the pressure of an election that could pivot away from the momentum the Left has right now if they nominate a dog like Hillary or like McCain was. I also think she waited too long to apologize. The story has legs now. Some on the Left are openly criticizing her. You never see that happen unless the Movement is in jeopardy. It could happen as you describe though, I just think there is urgency here that did not exist when Bill had his job blown......as it were. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Ok, so this Bryan,the IT guy, is taking the 5th. What exactly could he possibly be guilty of? It's not illegal to set up a server for anyone. He's not responsible for ensuring that its use is appropriate, that there's no classified material, etc. The only thing I can think of is if he was responsible for the deletion of the emails, and he knew what he was deleting and that by law it had to be preserved. I don't think it would be a stretch to claim he didn't know. Most IT workers that oversee an email server don't really know what's on it. So, what exactly do y'all think he is afraid of legally? I know he's probably in the pocket of HRC, and is following her instructions, but if he's really not guilty of anything, playing games like this will just make it worse in the long run IMO. No one wants to hang this guy, they want to hang those really responsible, HRC and her advisors/handlers. | |||
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At the very least, he didn't report to the state department that he was moonlighting as a private IT guy for Hillary and document his wages. The opinions expressed in no way reflect the stance or opinion of my employer. | |||
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| wishing we were congress |
I can absolutely guarantee you that is not true, just based on my feelings. He didn't set up a server for "anyone". He was an employee of the Dept of State and he set up a server for the Secretary of State. He would be fully aware of security requirements and that this private server by passed the normal control and review of a govt system. He knowingly and intentionally mixed govt business info with personal data and other private business data (Clinton Foundation). It has also been reported that he did not report the additional income from HC when he was with the govt. (per govt financial disclosure requirements established to avoid conflicts of interest) Additionally, he has been identified as the one who managed the private server from 2009 to 2013. Has anyone else been named who was in charge of security for the server ? Security both from the viewpoint of keeping the system from being hacked, and from the view of keeping classified info off of the unclass system. Very strange that even at this point after so much "investigation", we still don't know the name of the person who actually deleted the emails and possibly overwrote data to make it unrecoverable. | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
The correct legal strategy, even if he has done nothing criminal, is to assert his right against self-incrimination guaranteed under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Doing so prevents him saying something that is later found to be contrary some other fact. This is what took down Scooter Libby and Martha Stewart. Moreover, he can use his silence as a lever to elicit transactional immunity from the fed.gov, even if he knows nothing at all of interest to any of the ongoing investigations. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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The email thing must be having an impact. Check out the huge turnout for Hillary's Women's Event. https://twitter.com/ktumulty/s...289334779904/photo/1 ____________________________________________________ New and improved super concentrated me: Proud rebel, heretic, and Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal. There is iron in my words of death for all to see. So there is iron in my words of life. | |||
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Rule #1: Use enough gun |
Not exactly. He was one of Hillary's minions, and she got him added to the government payroll. Remember the Arkansas bar bouncer that Hillary appointed head of White House security during Bill's first term? Huma double-dipping? I would say this clown knew very little about the "rules" of the State Dept. When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed. Luke 11:21 "Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." -- George W. Bush | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Don't do that. Keep the conspiracy BS out of this forum, please. | |||
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Hilbot 4.0 is really packing them in out on the campaign trail! From a friendly WaPo reporter:  Karen Tumulty 58 minutes ago Not exactly a packed house for @HillaryClinton women's event in Columbus. https://twitter.com/ktumulty/s...s/641973289334779904 “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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| medlem |
Apologies. Removed. | |||
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| Rule #1: Use enough gun |
Bernie Sanders now leads Hillary in Iowa and NH.  http://www.politico.com/story/...09/qpoll-iowa-213462 Hillary Clinton's Iowa edge is gone. Bernie Sanders leads the former secretary of state for the first time among Iowa Democrats likely to caucus in February, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll unveiled Thursday morning — the latest in a string of surveys that show a tightening race in the Hawkeye State. The Vermont senator's advantage is within the margin of error — he took 41 percent compared with Clinton's 40 percent — and another 12 percent said they would support Vice President Joe Biden, who has yet to declare his 2016 intentions. (Former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley picked up 3 percent, while no other candidate registered above that mark, and 3 percent were undecided.) But the shift is a significant one, coming on the heels of polls showing Sanders edging Clinton in New Hampshire, too. Together, the results suggest a candidate reeling from the controversy over her emails and struggling to put down a rebellion on her left flank. When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed. Luke 11:21 "Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." -- George W. Bush | |||
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| Get my pies outta the oven!  |
CNN excitedly cut to her 2 weeks ago (?) at the Iowa State Fair and went on and on about a "large" crowd of supporters, but I was instantly suspicious as they were keeping the camera in a VERY VERY tight shot, but then the cameraman goofed or wanted to pan back for something and there were...10-12 people standing there.  | |||
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| wishing we were congress |
http://hotair.com/archives/201...but-didnt-pursue-it/ Huma is very special. http://hotair.com/archives/201...but-didnt-pursue-it/ Federal investigators formally investigated top Hillary Rodham Clinton aide Huma Abedin for the crime of embezzlement after confirming she took a “Babymoon” vacation and maternity time at the State Department without expending her formal leave, resulting in thousands of dollars of pay she wasn’t entitled to receive, The Washington Times has learned. The probe also gathered evidence she filed time sheets charging the government for impermissible overtime and excessive hours after she converted from a full-time federal employee to a State Department contractor. Those timecards were filed during a period that remains under investigation over questions about possible conflicts of interest, documents gathered by the State Department inspector general show. she never took a single a single sick day or vacation the entire time she was there, including when she had a baby and went on vacation to France and Italy. The Office of the Inspector General determined that this resulted in her receiving an overpayment of more than $10K when she officially left the position, part of a lump sum payment of roughly $33K Huma explains: “My husband handles all the finances in our household,” The “alleged violations” cited were improperly requesting and approving annual leave and “embezzlement,” the documents state. DoJ declined to pursue. | |||
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Ok, I was under the impression that he worked for Hillary, not the state dept, that he was NOT on a gov't payroll. If was a State Dept. employee, then he would have been briefed on security issues and would be in trouble for violating them. | |||
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| Rule #1: Use enough gun |
This is a snippet of a lengthy post on page 51:
When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed. Luke 11:21 "Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." -- George W. Bush | |||
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| Freethinker |
I have nothing but contempt for HC or any of her minions, and I have no doubt that she and most of the others are guilty of something, but considering how often we see “don’t talk to the cops” threads and advice here, I am bemused by the fact that anyone would trot out the “If he’s not guilty of anything, why is he taking the fifth?” argument. As long as “lying” to investigators is a crime, it would be the height of folly to speak to one if there was any reason whatsoever to believe that they might turn their focus on the one being questioned. If I were asked if I killed Vince Foster, I would say, “No,” but if I were asked where I was on the day he died, that would be enough for me to shut up. Although I truly wouldn’t have any idea, what if it turned out to have been on my wedding day or the day I received my Army warrant appointment? “You said you didn’t remember, but surely you remember where you were the day you got married.” “Well, yes.” “Aha! You lied when you said you didn’t know where you were that day.” Now if that seems silly or perhaps not even what was intended when the law was passed, you don’t have any appreciation for what vindictive prosecutors in friendly courts are capable of—and what they can accomplish; unfortunately, I do know because I’ve witnessed them myself in cases that were trivial in comparison. Further, I believe that making people afraid to talk to Federal investigators because of that risk was largely self-inflicted. It would be one thing if prosecutors limited it to egregious cases such as the guy who was in the room when a murder was being plotted, but that’s hardly true as far I can see. I don’t recall when I first heard of such a prosecution, but it wasn’t always that way. It’s not possible to save your cake and eat it too, but some people seem incapable of understanding that obvious fact. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Ooooh, boy. So she expects Weiner to fall on his own sword as a payback for her putting up with all the dick pics to random chicks? There's something poetic about that. | |||
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No argument at all. I was just not aware that he did work for the state dept. which opens him up to way more issues than if he just worked privately for HRC. If he didn't work for the State Dept, then I didn't think he could really have much liability. I can't say how annoyed I am at this whole mess. She's been lying about everything, breaking several federal laws, and she's still getting special treatment from everyone. She's not being treated even close to how me or any other regular citizen would be, or even how other military and gov't officials have been treated for much less severe offenses. Hell, just the fact that she turned over printed emails rather than the electronic version is a violation, and that's without any deleted emails, private server or classification issues. | |||
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