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posted Aug 20, 1:26 PM Hide Post

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
I wonder what happens to her secret service detail if she goes to prison? Under federal law, as Bill's wife, she is entitled to protection for her lifetime. I don't see anything in the code that terminates the protection if she goes to the big house (not the white one).


Just send her to a men's prison. She would be completely safe.

You owe me a key board,should not read your post after a couple beers and that spewing thru the nose as I read that.

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If the server wasn't being used, what has Platte River been doing since June 2013

This is a very interesting point. Platte River says they simply put it in the rack and connected it, the assumption I would make is that it was usable at that point. So, was it used?

It seems that it has been wiped, a key question I would think (besides who did the wiping) would be when was it done. Was it done before delivery to Plate River? If so why was it sent to Platte River?

The Judicial Review law suit was closed and then reopened when HRC’s claims were proven false.

HRC’s real problems began with the investigation of the Benghazi Affair, and the appointment of the Gowdy committee, until then I think that she and the State Department really believed that she would get away with this. After all she and Bill have managed to do so in the past.

Watch Hillary's idiot spokesman stumble and fumble her way through a CNN interview:

http://www.theamericanmirror.c...over-deleted-emails/

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If the server wasn't being used, what has Platte River been doing since June 2013

I think I have this figured out -

Clinton Minion 1: Madame Secretary, what should we do with this server full of incriminating evidence?
Hillary: Ohhhh, just let that river take care of it (nodding towards the Hudson as she winks at her Minion).
...(Confused, Clinton Minion 1 goes into next room speaks to Clinton Minion 2)...
Clinton Minion 1: I think she just said to send the server to, um, Flat River, or uh, Platte River? Ever hear of them?
Clinton Minion 2: Hmmmm...Let's see if they have a website...(tapping on keyboard)...HA...GOT IT!

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Originally posted by rusbro:

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
Stop with the going to prison stuff. Not even a remote possibility. It's a wasted discussion.
Not only is Hillary not going to prison no one around her is going to prison.

Dang! I just put down a $1000 bet Hillary Clinton and Caitlyn Jenner would be cellmates!

Caitlin will have to be with the men, unless he gets his plumbing redone.

Let me throw out an idea that will sound a little strange, but I think this would happen in any "normal" security violation investigation.

Hillary Clinton, Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin all had security clearances. They are no longer govt employees, but they are still working closely together to get Hillary elected president.

They all know classified info. The responsibility to not disclose that info, and to handle it properly, still exists. That responsibility stays with you till the day you die.

Given that it appears there are hundreds of classified emails that these three dealt with in an improper manner, it would be reasonable (perhaps even mandatory) for the FBI to investigate the private emails these three have sent from June 2013 to the present day.

Whatever emails addresses and servers they used over the last 2 years should be reviewed by the FBI and intel community to verify that they have not continued to violate national security.

If this situation involved "everyday" people, I suspect that review would already be underway.

This sums it up.

From Remington:

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How did they teach a catchers mask to wink???

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If this ends up knocking Hillary out of the campaign and keeps her out of the public arena entirely we have Judicial Watch to thank for it.
This organization has done all the heavy lifting on this from the start by filing all the FOIA law suits.
I bet Hillary seethes at the existence of this of this organization.
I'm not one who donates money easily unless I can put it directly in the hands of the ones I feel are deserving but this fine establishment just got $50 of my hard earned bucks.
I would encourage anyone here to do the same. If everyone in this thread gave them $10 that may be worth one more hour of Hillary getting grilled.

Here is the link to donate donate if you're so inclined. From there you can go to the rest of the web site and see the other issues they are dogging.

Did you know the NHL banned the use of that as a goaltender's mask?

Players from the other teams were so repulsed they were taking shots from behind their own net.

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Sig2340 and gearhounds, cut it out. Why do I have to address this with members who've been here as long as you two?

We do not ridicule people's looks. It is juvenile. Any idiot or third grader can do the same. Stop cluttering this thread with this stuff.

Everyone here needs to understand that this is a permanent state of affairs. We do not ridicule people's looks. Everyone looks like something. I'll bet we're all swimsuit models here, aren't we?
For as long as I helm this forum, there will be none of this stuff.

Let's get back to the subject at hand, which happens to be infinitely more important than "She's ugly" remarks.

Many of Hillary's emails were "born classified".....

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...t-says/?intcmp=hpbt2

Dozens of emails that passed through Hillary Clinton's server during her time as secretary of state reportedly contained information automatically considered classified by the U.S. government and State Department's own regulations.

According to Reuters, at least 30 e-mail threads dating from as far back as 2009 contained what the State Department describes as "foreign government information." That number represents scores of individual emails that have already been made public, including 17 sent by Clinton herself. At least one of those emails was sent to longtime supporter Sidney Blumenthal, who did not hold a government position at the time.

The report says that the State Department identified the emails as containing "foreign government information" when it retroactively classified them upon their release earlier this year. However, the regulations say that such information, defined as having been provided orally or in writing to U.S. officials by their foreign counterparts in confidence, must be "presumed" classified, regardless of whether it is initially marked that way.

Reuters said the State Department disputed the report's analysis, but declined to say how it was incorrect.

"We do not have the ability to go back and recreate all of the various factors that would have gone into the determinations," State Department spokesman Alec Gerlach wrote in an e-mail,after initially accusing Reuters of making "outlandish accusations" about the emails. Reuters said it could not establish whether the State Department was applying its rules in a different manner from when the emails were first sent.

If true, the regulations would undercut Clinton's defense that she never sent or received information that was marked classified at the time it passed through her server. The Reuters report says that the government's standard nondisclosure form warns employees authorized to handle classified information that it may not be marked as such in writing and that a determination about its secrecy may be made orally.

"It's born classified," said J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government's Information Security Oversight Office. "If a foreign minister just told the secretary of state something in confidence, by U.S. rules that is classified at the moment it's in U.S. channels and U.S. possession."

The report comes amid an ongoing federal investigation over whether Clinton mishandled classified information that passed through her so-called "homebrew" server during her tenure as America's top diplomat. On Thursday, a federal judge ordered the State Department to work with the FBI to try to recover approximately 31,000 emails that Clinton had described as personal. The Democratic presidential frontrunner has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing.

Reuters reports that the unredacted portions of the emails appear to indicate information from one prime minister, one foreign minister and several intelligence chiefs. One e-mail, dated from November 2009, comes from the principal private secretary to then-British Foreign Secretary David Miliband and is addressed to top Clinton aide Huma Abedin. The British official writes that Miliband "very much wants the Secretary (only) to see this note." Abedin forwarded the e-mail to Clinton's private account.

A spokeswoman for one of the governments whose information appeared in the emails told Reuters that the information was shared confidentially with Clinton and her senior staff, making it classified according to the regulations. The spokeswoman said her government expected all private exchanges with U.S. officials to be treated as confidential.

According to State Department regulations in force in 2009, department employees "must ... safeguard foreign government and NATO RESTRICTED information as U.S. Government Confidential" or higher. Confidential information is considered the lowest level of classification for information that could harm national security if leaked, behind "Secret" and "Top Secret".

My guess is that with all the I.T. expertise the Clinton machine has shown so far, that the wipe was an ineffective one.

Doubtful her minions would have ordered a security grade wipe, so there may well be much to be learned from the server. You can also bet that the FBI has been up Platte's ass learning about when and where back-ups may have happened and reside.

Time will hopefully tell.

RMD

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:
Many of Hillary's emails were "born classified".....

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Reuters reports that the unredacted portions of the emails appear to indicate information from one prime minister, one foreign minister and several intelligence chiefs. One e-mail, dated from November 2009, comes from the principal private secretary to then-British Foreign Secretary David Miliband and is addressed to top Clinton aide Huma Abedin. The British official writes that Miliband "very much wants the Secretary (only) to see this note." Abedin forwarded the e-mail to Clinton's private account.

A spokeswoman for one of the governments whose information appeared in the emails told Reuters that the information was shared confidentially with Clinton and her senior staff, making it classified according to the regulations. The spokeswoman said her government expected all private exchanges with U.S. officials to be treated as confidential.

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This may be the straw that sinks her.

With this scandal going international, it has now damaged U.S. relations with the Brits, plus others.

The Anti-HRC crowd, irrespective of party affiliation, can now claim other countries will not trust anyone in the HRC camp, and for good reason, not vague reasons.

This also begs whether the deleted "personal" emails contained this type of information (i.e., shared by foreign leaders as "confidential" communications to HRC). If so, those were official business, not private communications.

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Originally posted by rduckwor:
My guess is that with all the I.T. expertise the Clinton machine has shown so far, that the wipe was an ineffective one.

I agree. There are programs out there that make something like 40 passes to overwrite a drive. Think about that. Why so many passes? That takes a long time. Why bother?

Tells you something, doesn't it?

Do you think they used such a tool? Do you think these clowns overwrote that drive dozens of times? I don't think so.

Here is a time line put together from various news reports

Feb 2013 Hillary Clinton leaves State Dept

Mar 2013 Guccifer hacks Blumenthal AOL email
Guccifer told journalists about Hillary’s personal email address and domain
Clinton knows she has a problem

June 2013 Clinton hires Platte River
Server moved from her home to a third party NJ facility selected by Platte River
Server stays there until FBI picks it up recently

Oct 2014 State Dept officials contact Clinton about turning over emails from her account
Cheryl Mills directs the separation of “personal” versus “work” emails
Clinton says she deleted the personal emails after the request for the work emails


Dec 2014 Clinton submits 30,000 work emails in hard copy
“Work” emails wiped shortly after the hard copy submission

4 Mar 2015 Benghazi committee subpoenaed Clinton emails

19 Mar 2015 Trey Gowdy asked for the physical server

27 Mar 2015 Letter from Kendall (Clinton Attorney)
"During the fall of 2014, Secretary Clinton’s legal representative reviewed her hdr22@clintonemail.com account for the time period from Jan. 21, 2009, through Feb. 1, 2013,"
"After the review was completed to identify and provide to the Department of State all of the secretary's work-related and potentially work-related emails, the secretary chose not to keep her non-record personal emails and asked that her account (which was no longer in active use) be set to retain only the most recent 60 days of email."

"No emails from hdr22@clintonemail.com for the time period Jan. 21, 2009, through Feb. 1, 2013, reside on the server. Thus, there are no hdr22@clintonemail.com e-mails from Secretary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state on the server for any review, even if such review were appropriate and legally authorized."

I tell you, there is something that Clinton desperately does not want the world to know, and I think that something has to do with Benghazi.

I recall one theory floated in the aftermath, that the idea was to have some group kidnap Stevens, hold him for a few weeks, then just before the November election, Obama would successfully negotiate for his release and return home in triumph.

When the security guys, who weren't in on the scheme, resisted vigorously, things went awry. That's why they were told to stand down, etc.

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Originally posted by rduckwor:
My guess is that with all the I.T. expertise the Clinton machine has shown so far, that the wipe was an ineffective one.

Doubtful her minions would have ordered a security grade wipe, so there may well be much to be learned from the server.

Surprisingly: This may well turn out to be the case.

When I first learned of all this, and that she'd allegedly "wiped" the server, I assumed she'd had a reasonably competent job done of it, and nobody was going to recover anything interesting. Looks like my assumption may have been in error.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by rduckwor:
My guess is that with all the I.T. expertise the Clinton machine has shown so far, that the wipe was an ineffective one.

I agree. There are programs out there that make something like 40 passes to overwrite a drive. Think about that. Why so many passes?

A little clarification is in order.

What multiple-pass "wipes" do is write varying pseudo-random patterns over areas of the drive that have been freed. Or entire partitions, drives or drive arrays. The goal is not so much to "really, really erase that data," but to re-write the areas in which it existed with so many different patterns of additional data that the "ghosts" of the original data become indistinguishable from random noise.

The utilities I use run five (5) passes, which is Generally Considered Sufficient. The old "35 passes" thing is no longer necessary: HTG Explains: Why You Only Have to Wipe a Disk Once to Erase It