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What about her flying on Air Force One the other day to campaign? Doesn't that violate campaign finance rules, using taxpayer money?

And what about the speech she gave on that trip behind a podium with the presidential seal? Isn't that misuse of the seal, which is also a felony?
 
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And what about the speech she gave on that trip behind a podium with the presidential seal? Isn't that misuse of the seal, which is also a felony?


I don't watch Hillary's speeches but I bet standing behind that seal gave her a hard on.
 
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I don't watch Hillary's speeches but I bet standing behind that seal gave her a hard on.
I'll be she went home and banged Huma like a screen door in a hurricane.


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What about her flying on Air Force One the other day to campaign? Doesn't that violate campaign finance rules, using taxpayer money?

And what about the speech she gave on that trip behind a podium with the presidential seal? Isn't that misuse of the seal, which is also a felony?


The HRC campaign will pay a portion of the cost and the DNC will pay for the President's use.




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I don't watch Hillary's speeches but I bet standing behind that seal gave her a hard on.
I'll be she went home and banged Huma like a screen door in a hurricane.


Now that right there is some Yucky Funny visual stuff!
 
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I'll be she went home and banged Huma like a screen door in a hurricane.


Gee, thanks, man.

I just puked up a great dinner.





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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...me-treatment-hillary



A Marine Corps officer who has been locked in a legal battle with his service after self-reporting that he improperly disseminated classified information now intends to demand the same treatment that Hillary received.

Maj. Jason Brezler sent a classified message using an unclassified Yahoo email account to warn fellow Marines in southern Afghanistan about a potentially corrupt Afghan police chief. A servant of that police chief killed three Marines and severely wounded a fourth 17 days later, on August 10, 2012, opening fire with a Kalashnikov rifle in an insider attack WaPo reports.

Brezler, who is still in the reserves and who works full time for the New York City Fire Department, was not charged criminally in the case, but he was issued a potentially career ending fitness (fit to continue serving) report after self-reporting that he sent the classified email to Afghanistan. Rep. Peter King (R-NY) even wrote then-Commandant Gen. James F. Amos about the case in August 2013 and asked whether it was necessary to be so harsh on someone who had warned fellow Marines of a potential threat in combat. Furthermore, the Naval Criminal Investigation Service reviewed electronics voluntarily turned over by Brezler and determined that there were more than 100 classified documents on his personal, unclassified hard drive and thumb drive. The board of inquiry recommended removing Brezler from the service in December 2013 after prosecutors argued that he knowingly kept classified information in order to help him write a book about his experiences in Afghanistan.

The case has been tied up in federal court since Brezler sued the service in December 2014, and Brezler's attorney, Michael J. Bowe, intends to cite the treatment of Clinton as an example of how severely Brezler was punished.

An attorney for Brezler, Michael J. Bowe, said that he intends to cite the treatment of Clinton “as one of the many, and most egregious examples” of how severely Brezler was punished. FBI Director James B. Comey announced Tuesday that he would not recommend the U.S. government pursue federal charges against Clinton, but he rebuked her “extremely careless” use of a private, unclassified email server while serving as secretary of state. The FBI found that 110 of her emails contained classified information.

Bowe said it is impossible to reconcile President Obama’s statement that Clinton’s intentional act of setting up a secret, unsecured email server did not detract “from her excellent ability to carry out her duties” while Brezler received a “completely opposite finding… involving infinitely less sensitive and limited information.”

The FBI's decision on Clinton will lend itself perfectly (and will very good reason) to those those such as Brezler who are being punished for similar or less severe incidents, to reference as they fight cases in court. Sadly, we must admit that unless your name is Clinton, there will be consequences to storing and sending classified information using an unsecured network - even if it is to warn fellow Marines of imminent danger.

The good news is that people, however few, are starting to catch on.


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I don't watch Hillary's speeches but I bet standing behind that seal gave her a hard on.
I'll be she went home and banged Huma like a screen door in a hurricane.


Eeewwwwwwww (but I almost strangled on my ice tea in mid swallow from trying to stifle a laugh Big Grin)


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Wcb6092, very sobering article & picture.
I did a cut & paste, everyone I know will get that. Thank you.
 
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...me-treatment-hillary





A Marine Corps officer who has been locked in a legal battle with his service after self-reporting that he improperly disseminated classified information now intends to demand the same treatment that Hillary received.

Maj. Jason Brezler sent a classified message using an unclassified Yahoo email account to warn fellow Marines in southern Afghanistan about a potentially corrupt Afghan police chief. A servant of that police chief killed three Marines and severely wounded a fourth 17 days later, on August 10, 2012, opening fire with a Kalashnikov rifle in an insider attack WaPo reports.

Brezler, who is still in the reserves and who works full time for the New York City Fire Department, was not charged criminally in the case, but he was issued a potentially career ending fitness (fit to continue serving) report after self-reporting that he sent the classified email to Afghanistan. Rep. Peter King (R-NY) even wrote then-Commandant Gen. James F. Amos about the case in August 2013 and asked whether it was necessary to be so harsh on someone who had warned fellow Marines of a potential threat in combat. Furthermore, the Naval Criminal Investigation Service reviewed electronics voluntarily turned over by Brezler and determined that there were more than 100 classified documents on his personal, unclassified hard drive and thumb drive. The board of inquiry recommended removing Brezler from the service in December 2013 after prosecutors argued that he knowingly kept classified information in order to help him write a book about his experiences in Afghanistan.

The case has been tied up in federal court since Brezler sued the service in December 2014, and Brezler's attorney, Michael J. Bowe, intends to cite the treatment of Clinton as an example of how severely Brezler was punished.

An attorney for Brezler, Michael J. Bowe, said that he intends to cite the treatment of Clinton “as one of the many, and most egregious examples” of how severely Brezler was punished. FBI Director James B. Comey announced Tuesday that he would not recommend the U.S. government pursue federal charges against Clinton, but he rebuked her “extremely careless” use of a private, unclassified email server while serving as secretary of state. The FBI found that 110 of her emails contained classified information.

Bowe said it is impossible to reconcile President Obama’s statement that Clinton’s intentional act of setting up a secret, unsecured email server did not detract “from her excellent ability to carry out her duties” while Brezler received a “completely opposite finding… involving infinitely less sensitive and limited information.”

The FBI's decision on Clinton will lend itself perfectly (and will very good reason) to those those such as Brezler who are being punished for similar or less severe incidents, to reference as they fight cases in court. Sadly, we must admit that unless your name is Clinton, there will be consequences to storing and sending classified information using an unsecured network - even if it is to warn fellow Marines of imminent danger.

The good news is that people, however few, are starting to catch on.



Not that I would disagree with this, but is there another source to confirm this? An article written by "Tyler Durden" doesn't exactly make me want to go around citing.


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^^^ I read the same or similar article on Fox yesterday.
 
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...me-treatment-hillary



A Marine Corps officer who has been locked in a legal battle with his service after self-reporting that he improperly disseminated classified information now intends to demand the same treatment that Hillary received.

Maj. Jason Brezler sent a classified message using an unclassified Yahoo email account to warn fellow Marines in southern Afghanistan about a potentially corrupt Afghan police chief. A servant of that police chief killed three Marines and severely wounded a fourth 17 days later, on August 10, 2012, opening fire with a Kalashnikov rifle in an insider attack WaPo reports.

Brezler, who is still in the reserves and who works full time for the New York City Fire Department, was not charged criminally in the case, but he was issued a potentially career ending fitness (fit to continue serving) report after self-reporting that he sent the classified email to Afghanistan. Rep. Peter King (R-NY) even wrote then-Commandant Gen. James F. Amos about the case in August 2013 and asked whether it was necessary to be so harsh on someone who had warned fellow Marines of a potential threat in combat. Furthermore, the Naval Criminal Investigation Service reviewed electronics voluntarily turned over by Brezler and determined that there were more than 100 classified documents on his personal, unclassified hard drive and thumb drive. The board of inquiry recommended removing Brezler from the service in December 2013 after prosecutors argued that he knowingly kept classified information in order to help him write a book about his experiences in Afghanistan.

The case has been tied up in federal court since Brezler sued the service in December 2014, and Brezler's attorney, Michael J. Bowe, intends to cite the treatment of Clinton as an example of how severely Brezler was punished.

An attorney for Brezler, Michael J. Bowe, said that he intends to cite the treatment of Clinton “as one of the many, and most egregious examples” of how severely Brezler was punished. FBI Director James B. Comey announced Tuesday that he would not recommend the U.S. government pursue federal charges against Clinton, but he rebuked her “extremely careless” use of a private, unclassified email server while serving as secretary of state. The FBI found that 110 of her emails contained classified information.

Bowe said it is impossible to reconcile President Obama’s statement that Clinton’s intentional act of setting up a secret, unsecured email server did not detract “from her excellent ability to carry out her duties” while Brezler received a “completely opposite finding… involving infinitely less sensitive and limited information.”

The FBI's decision on Clinton will lend itself perfectly (and will very good reason) to those those such as Brezler who are being punished for similar or less severe incidents, to reference as they fight cases in court. Sadly, we must admit that unless your name is Clinton, there will be consequences to storing and sending classified information using an unsecured network - even if it is to warn fellow Marines of imminent danger.

The good news is that people, however few, are starting to catch on.


We've always been told safety first. Try to secure material if possible, but your safety comes first. Seems this should've applied there too.
 
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Several differences:
1) He's in the military and they are held to a different standard.
2) He is actively in the military trying to fight punishment for his infraction.
3) He is not an ex-gov't employee fighting punishment.

The point Comey is making is that there is no law that can be used to punish a gov't (current or past) employee for what Hilary did.

Argue that all you want, but that is my understanding of his position, not my position.





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So does anyone think there is really any point to the state dept investigating now?

They originally suspended the investigation to avoid conflicts with the FBI investigation, which is complete nonsense, there's no reason that parallel investigations would need to conflict.

And if the FBI wouldn't do their job correctly, why would we expect Kerry's state dept to do any differently? They're not going to hang old hitlery up, and they're sure not going to get on her bad side by going after any aids or others associated with her.

The FBI investigation was too limited. Didn't investigate anyone but hillary supposedly, ignoring the lawyers that got classified material and were not cleared for it, ignoring Huma and other staff that were complicit, ignoring strong evidence of perjury and espionage. One prime and easily proved instant of perjury is when she swore in court that she turned over all work emails, which has been proven false beyond doubt, and constitutes at least two crimes.

So it must be political theater saying that they're reopening the investigation at state.
 
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I think that what ever is written to engage the FBI was poorly written (too narrow of a scope).





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So it must be political theater saying that they're reopening the investigation at state.


My guess is that they felt so good when the FBI went down on her they decided to see if they could help her by doing it again.


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The point Comey is making is that there is no law that can be used to punish a gov't (current or past) employee for what Hilary did.
Director Comey said that persons employed in government posts (including the military) are susceptible to penalties other than criminal prosecution for actions of gross negligence, but persons not employed by the government do not have alternate penalties that can be imposed--it's all or nothing, prosecute or not. His contention is that a government employee being that careless would be reprimanded, disciplined, had clearance revoked, or even fired, but that none of those penalties are applicable to someone not government employed. He maintained that the history of cases involving gross negligence have almost never resulted in criminal charges, but were handled by use of the other penalties available, and that those penalties are not available in Hillary's case.

I can't fault his analysis of past history, but I am not one who believes that justice always relies only on past precedence but can be found by strict implementation of the law. Hillary was clearly guilty of gross negligence, and willfully set up the mechanism by which it occurred. Even though the law does not require "intent" to damage the country, she did demonstrate intent to circumvent the mechanisms that exist to protect our secrets from revelation. That, to me, meets the letter of the law and it should have been called down on her. (I couldn't care less how it may have been ignored in the past.)

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Hillary Clinton must have sold her hole to the Devil.

No, it's not a typo. She has no soul to sell. If she did, though, it would go to the highest bidder. Lucifer would just have to wait his turn in the lobby.
 
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Director Comey said that persons employed in government posts (including the military) are susceptible to penalties other than criminal prosecution for actions of gross negligence, but persons not employed by the government do not have alternate penalties that can be imposed--it's all or nothing, prosecute or not. His contention is that a government employee being that careless would be reprimanded, disciplined, had clearance revoked, or even fired, but that none of those penalties are applicable to someone not government employed. He maintained that the history of cases involving gross negligence have almost never resulted in criminal charges, but were handled by use of the other penalties available, and that those penalties are not available in Hillary's case.



True or not, and I don't think it is true, it is in no way part of Comey's brief to make this decision or to remark upon it.

Comey is Director of an investigative department of big.gov, his responsibility is to investigate, not decide fine points of law.

It is especially egregious for him to say, "Hillary skates, but no one else better try this".

Further, the deliberate act of removing classified headers and identifiers from classified information is a crime however and whoever does it with knowledge of what they are doing.
The people involved; Hillary's staff, should not have been given a free pass. Had Huma or Mills been looking at several years in one of big.govs country clubs at our expense; they may have rolled over on Hillary. At the very least it would have made people reluctant to co-operate with the Clinton Crime Family in the future, and be sure there will be a future.

MY understanding is that this ability to jail the underlings is a major tool in prosecuting the Hillarys of this world.
 
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