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Here is a “fair use” quotation from ta WSJ Editorial today:

“Meanwhile, federal Judge Emmet Sullivan has now verified that Mrs. Clinton will not certify that she has handed over to the State Department all of her work-related records. Two of her closest aides are also dodging Judge Sullivan’s request to hand over their work-related documents to State, and we now know that one of Mrs. Clinton’s aides (Huma) was using the unsecured Clinton system for government work.”

I think some here are worrying unnecessarily about a transfer between networks, stripping headers and so forth.
I believe that we are dealing with low tech people. If Huma wants to send “Hill” something she paraphrases in simple terms, types it and sends it, like passing notes in a 7th grade class. The level of classification of the original means nothing to that crowd.

These people are contemptuous of all the “security stuff” which plebes tried to impose upon them.

All of the Foreign Com Intel people must have thought they were in heaven.

I remember that when William Jefferson Clinton was elected POTUS it was said that he would never have been granted a Top Secret Clearance prior to his swearing in.
 
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Guys, thinking the Hillary is going down over this is like my fantasy foursome with Suzanne Pleshette, Grace Kelly, and June Allyson using a feather, a straw, and an iced teaspoon.

It ain't happening.





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Like the Wicked Witch of the West, she won't go down easy. But I feel the slime trail is catching up with her in the world of public opinion.

Obama has not endorsed anyone yet. I doubt he will endorse her, or campaign for her. Where's Joe?
 
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Judge Sullican was appointed by Reagan to the DC courts by Bush to DC appellate court and by Clinton to the District Court in 1994.

He has an interesting caseload:

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Sullivan presided over a number of habeas corpus petitions submitted on behalf of Guantanamo captives.[2]

Sullivan presided over Senator Ted Stevens' trial where his indictment was dismissed when a Justice Department probe found evidence of gross prosecutorial misconduct.[3][4][5]

Sullivan is presiding over a case, Judicial Watch v. IRS,[6] where there is an ongoing investigation into the 2013 IRS controversy, specifically attempting to determine where the "lost" emails of former IRS employee Lois Lerner went, and what damage to her computer hard drive occurred, and what steps have been taken to recover the information contained in the emails and on the hard drive.[7][8]
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When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

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Guys, thinking the Hillary is going down





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long article re Platte River Networks

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...e-phone-numbers.html

The Internet company used by Hillary Clinton to maintain her private server was sued for stealing dozens of phone lines including some which were used by the White House.

Platte River Networks is said to have illegally accessed the master database for all US phone numbers.

It also seized 390 lines in a move that created chaos across the US government.

Among the phone numbers which the company took - which all suddenly stopped working - were lines for White House military support desks, the Department of Defense and the Department of Energy, a lawsuit claims.

Others were the main numbers for major financial institutions, hospitals and the help desk number for T2 Communications, the telecom firm which owned them.

A lawsuit filed on behalf of T2 claims that the mess took 11 days to fix and demands that Platte River pay up $360,000 in compensation.

The lawsuit states: 'Under NPAC regulations, telecommunications providers are only allowed to access the NPAC data base for the exclusive purpose of routing, rating of calls, billing of calls, or performing maintenance in connection with the provision of telecommunications services.

'Contrary to these NPAC regulations, Defendants accessed the NPAC database to find T2s 390 telephone lines as well as to obtain T2 and its customers' proprietary network information for use in marketing T2's lines to their existing and prospective customers.'

The lawsuit describes at length the chaos that resulted when the 390 numbers used by T2 customers suddenly stopped working.
 
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Also from the link above,

Hillary's campaign issued a 4,000-word defense of her on Wednesday, including two separate claims that she never used her private email account to handle classified information

"When information is reviewed for public release, it is common for information previously unclassified to be upgraded to classified if the State Department or another agency believes its public release could cause potential harm to national security, law enforcement or diplomatic relations."

That is a very strange statement. Information being released would certainly be reviewed.

But classified material is classified material. I don't know of any agency that commonly changes material from unclassified to classified when considering public release.

Another part of the Hillary campaign statement says:

"After reviewing a sampling of the 55,000 pages of emails, the Inspectors General have proffered that a small number of emails, which did not contain any classified markings and/or dissemination controls, should have been classified at the time they were sent. The State Department has said it disagrees with this assessment."

The IG found 4 emails it considered classified in a sample of 40.

Once again, the campaign hammers away on no markings

And the campaign then says "The State Department has said it disagrees with this assessment."

I haven't heard that the State Dept disagreed with the IG. If the source material came from the intelligence community, they are the originators of the classification level of the material. State Dept would not have the authority to "disagree".
 
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/new...article31057029.html

U.S. officials first found classified information among Hillary Clinton’s State Department emails last May

The recent situation provoked enough concern that in early July, State Department officials finally delivered a safe to the Washington law office of Clinton’s attorney, David Kendall, to secure a thumb drive he held containing all of the emails

Left unclear was what, if any, special precautions were taken since May 22, when intelligence officials first declared one or more of Clinton’s emails to be classified, to ensure the data was secure. It also appeared likely that Kendall first took possession of the thumb drive in December of last year.

the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee arose to Clinton’s defense on Thursday.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California issued a statement emphasizing that none of the emails was marked as classified at the time Clinton received them and that “it is clear that Secretary Clinton did not write emails containing classified information.”

Yet to be determined, she said, is “whether information in those emails should have been classified in the first place.”

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Feinstein's comments are pure smoke

Given the delay from May till now, it is obvious there has been a major conspiracy to keep this quiet with a lot of people involved. Not just the Clinton campaign team.
 
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^ it's time to muddy the waters and start to put forth a reasonable doubt in regards to what happened when, chain of custody and it's possible Kendall may have tampered with the thumb nail drive of which Hillary may or may not have known about.
As they say it dosen't matter what you think it's what you can prove.


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Yet to be determined, she said, is “whether information in those emails should have been classified in the first place.”


This was inevitable, and is usually the first defense of someone who mishandled classified material: “Oh, everything’s over-classified; I’ve seen classified dinner menus. Although we’re not going to discuss these specific items, it wasn’t really classified or even that sensitive.”




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Guys, thinking the Hillary is going down over this is like my fantasy foursome with Suzanne Pleshette, Grace Kelly, and June Allyson using a feather, a straw, and an iced teaspoon.

It ain't happening.

She doesn't need to "go down," she only needs to be sufficiently tainted that Independents won't vote for her.

ETA: Most reasonable people judge that she was sufficiently tainted early in her husband's presidency. Wink


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The damage is done, no matter what they find after this, and no matter how her ass-kissing buddies try to spin this. She's damaged goods, and in a big way.
 
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They are getting desperate at Think Progress - one of the 'thought leaders' for the uber lib crowd Big Grin

http://thinkprogress.org/elect...llary-live-her-life/

Hillary Clinton Just Wanted To Send Emails From Her Phone Like A Normal Person
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In what’s likely to be one of the major controversies of her campaign, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s desire to use her phone for both work and personal communications like the rest of the world has sparked a federal investigation and controversy that may likely set the tone for her campaign — and serve as a warning to the prevailing nominee.

We have a complicated relationship with our phones: They are simultaneously the center of all attention and the bane of a technologically enhanced existence. Ideally, everything from one’s personal and work lives can be done — or ignored — from a single device neatly squared away in a pocket or tote.

But this isn’t an ideal world.

Clinton or any other appointed or elected figures can’t be “normal” and use technology to make their lives a smidge easier, according to Stewart Baker, a former Department of Homeland Security administrator and national security attorney with Steptoe and Johnson in Washington, D.C.

“Security is the enemy of convenience, and the effort to find the compromise between the two is always risky. It’s not for the faint of heart and it’s not for amateurs,” he said.

After months of refusing, Clinton agreed Tuesday to submit her personal email server to the Justice Department in an effort to silence national and cybersecurity concerns.

Clinton turned over 55,000 pages of emails sent during her secretary of state appointment between 2009 and 2011. The more than 31,000 personal emails she sent were wiped from her private Clintonemail.com server, and weren’t among the batch submitted to the DOJ.
Republicans have been requesting complete access to Clinton’s emails to get to the bottom of the Obama administration’s response to the 2012 embassy attack in Benghazi, Libya.

There aren’t many specifics available regarding the contents of Clinton’s emails, but criticism is mounting. Republicans have repeatedly denounced the use of her behavior sending classified or potentially classified information from an insecure server poses a national security risk.

Beyond the two emails identified as having top secret content, Clinton’s email scandal illustrates the contentious relationship between security and convenience in technology that becomes more pronounced in the upper ranks of government.

Given the minimal available information, Baker said Clinton only would have violated her oath if she knowing sent an email with classified information, such as a summary of classified briefing. But Clinton wouldn’t be culpable if she received and responded to an email from Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that lacked overtly classified context. “It would be much harder to fault her for assuming,” he said.

“There are always temptations when you only have access to one communication system,” said Baker, adding that government employees often rationalize ways to use unclassified systems “by making the easy assumption a message isn’t classified even if there’s evidence to the contrary.”

Presidential hopeful and self-proclaimed Luddite Lindsay Graham (R-SC) suggested cutting off access the next president’s email access in the interest of national security. That idea has been floated around by security experts and foreign governments looking to duck international spy agencies. But completely cutting off access wouldn’t work completely because society is so technology-dependent, and at least a staffer would have to send out emails.

For government leaders, the priority is to secure communications and keep them from being intercepted. “The higher ups are going to discover that when they take office, they’re going back 15 years in time,” Baker said.
“The [technological] delay is built in,” he said. “Typically, we find the technology, fall in love and then we find the security flaws…There are always undiscovered security problems. There are going to be instances when [officials] can’t use the tech in their daily lives,” and be somewhat normal. But then again, he quipped, “A normal person doesn’t get to be secretary of state.”





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I honestly believe Clinton thinks she's too big to fail, and as long as the idiots on the left continue to make excuses for her, she'll continue to stonewall all of us.
 
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Hopefully the lefts displeasure with Hillary will push them towards Bernie Sanders.

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Hillary Clinton: The Democratic Party's ticking time bomb

http://theweek.com/articles/57...ys-ticking-time-bomb


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I was listening to the news this am and there was a report that some in the DNC were talking with....ALGORE!

Things must really be desperate...


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Yes... even Al Gore senses she's badly wounded...

Hillary has been playing a shell game with email server
By Thomas Lifson

Like a Times Square hustler with three walnut shells and a pea, Hillary Clinton has been playing a game of misdirection with her email server. No, it wasn’t in Chappaqua; it was in New Jersey, although not dumped in a Meadowlands bog or buried under the goalposts of MetLife Stadium as Jimmy Hoffa was sometimes reckoned to have been.

Actually, it was in the hands of a company, Platte River Networks, that has been sued for “illegally accessing” a master database of phone numbers and “stealing White House military advisers' phone numbers”. And these dodgy tech wizards are said to have turned over to the FBI a server that now is “blank.” Chuck Ross of the Daily Caller writes:

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s mysterious email server has been in a private data center in New Jersey since 2013, that is, until the IT company the former secretary of state hired to maintain the hardware handed the “blank” device over to the FBI Wednesday.

Clinton’s attorney, David Kendall, informed the Department of State in a letter Wednesday that the company hired to manage and maintain the server, Denver-based Platte River Networks, was turning it over to the Department of Justice. Kendall also told State he handed over three thumb drives that contained Clinton’s emails. (snip)

Barbara Wells, an attorney for the company, told The Post agents picked the server up at around 4 p.m. Wednesday. But she said the hardware is “now blank” and no longer contains any useful information.

“The information had been migrated over to a different server for purposes of transition,” said Wells. The transfer was carried out in June 2013, she told The Post.

“To my knowledge the data on the old server is not available now on any servers or devices in Platte River Network’s control.”

So, where is the pea (the email records)? It’s not under the shell handed over to the FBI. It’s not under the shell in the hands of the New Jersey IT company (or so they claim). And Hillary, Cheryl Mills, and Huma Abedin all have sworn under penalty of perjury that they don’t have it.

Probably it sleeps with the cyberspace equivalent of the fishes. Hillary has been boning up for quite a while on how to make emails disappear. As Jonathan Karl of ABC News reports:

The last batch of Hillary Clinton emails released by the State Department included one from Clinton asking to borrow a book called “Send: Why People Email So Badly and How to Do It Better,” by David Shipley and Will Schwalbe.

Clinton has not said why she requested the book, but it includes some advice that is particularly interesting in light of the controversy over her unconventional email arrangement at the State Department and her decision to delete tens of thousands of emails she deemed to be purely personal.

The copy that ABC downloaded for $9.99 had some interesting revelations.

Take, for example, Chapter Six: “The Email That Can Land You In Jail.” The chapter includes a section entitled “How to Delete Something So It Stays Deleted.”

“Some people are hoarders, some are checkers,” the authors write. “The main thing to consider is that once you do decide to delete, it’s like taking the garbage from your kitchen and putting it in your hallway. It’s still there.”

The chapter advised that to truly delete emails may require a special rewriting program “to make sure that it’s not just elsewhere on the drive but has in fact been written over sixteen or twenty times and rendered undefinable.”

But Shipley and Schwalbe warn that deleting emails could lead to future legal troubles.

Hillary and Bill’s pattern, going back to Arkansas days, has been to obliterate evidence to the extent that a conviction is not possible. No matter how much smoke there is, proving that a fire broke out is just too difficult. Like trying to pick out the walnut shell with the pea under it.

However, the appearances are just terrible. Terrible enough that even Al Gore is rumored to be entering the race. Like vultures circling a dying man in the desert, Hillary is attracting what’s left of the faintly plausible alternatives to her at the top of the Democrats’ ticket (while Elizabeth Warren crouches in the tall grass).

Needless to say, The Chinese, the Russians, and probably at least a dozen other foreign intelligence services have the evidence that the FBI lacks and look forward to blackmailing a President Rodham-Clinton. Which is reason enough to reject the idea of electing her.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com...r.html#ixzz3ingbhGke



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Things must really be desperate...


Yesterday, I heard on the radio that Clinton staffers were trying to explain that the FBI were not investigating Hillary, but the authorities were investigating the server.

Sheer desperation.



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I had a computer years ago. One day the hard drive took a dump. I went to Fry's, picked out a new one, came home and plugged it in, loaded in a system from CD, IIRC, and it was like it ever even happened. The old drive is long gone, never to be seen again.

Why wouldn't this be a easy, quick, cheap and fool proof solution?




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Contra Media Spin, It’s Hillary Who’s Being Investigated, Not Her Server

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/...igation-email-server



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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