Israel is done “negotiating” with both terrorists and assholes like Biden. Hell, at the rate they’re dissembling Hamas, they might be done in less than 45 days and halfway done with the 1 km no mans land.

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https://www.breitbart.com/midd...human-rights-report/
The new requirement comes amid increased pressure from the Biden administration on Israel to end the war, as well as increased public criticism. It also comes as Israel faces false charges of “genocide” at the International Court of Justice at The Hague.

A better question. When will our wars end?

Egypt warns Israel Rafah offensive may lead to suspension of peace treaty

Saudis also raise alarm; ground op pledged by Netanyahu in refugee-packed border city draws rebukes even from allies

https://www.timesofisrael.com/...ion-of-peace-treaty/

Egypt and Saudi Arabia have added their voices to a rising tide of criticism of a planned Israeli ground offensive in the Gaza Strip’s southern city of Rafah, after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu indicated that such a campaign was forthcoming.

Netanyahu announced Friday that he had ordered the Israeli military to present the cabinet with a plan to both evacuate the city’s civilian population — augmented by over one million refugees from the strip’s north and center — and destroy Hamas’s remaining battalions in the area.

According to Netanyahu, an assault on Rafah is critical to completing Israel’s stated war aim of dismantling Hamas. Earlier in the week, the premier rejected Hamas’s “delusional” terms for a hostage deal, which included a full withdrawal of Israeli troops from the Strip and the release of hundreds of terrorists serving life sentences.

“There is limited space and great risk in putting Rafah under further military escalation due to the growing number of Palestinians there,” Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry said on Saturday during a press briefing, warning that an escalation would have “dire consequences.”

The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that Egyptian officials warned the decades-long peace treaty between Egypt and Israel could be suspended if Israel Defense Forces’ troops enter Rafah, or if any of Rafah’s refugees are forced southward into the Sinai Peninsula.

In addition, Saudi Arabia — which has already conditioned normalization with Israel on an end to hostilities and steps toward the establishment of a Palestinian state — issued a statement Saturday warning of “the extremely dangerous repercussions of storming and targeting the city of Rafah in the Gaza Strip,” given the city being “the last refuge for hundreds of thousands of people.”

Reuters reported that in an effort to forestall a massive influx of refugees, Egypt has over the past two weeks stationed some 40 tanks near its border with Gaza, after having reinforced the border wall since the beginning of hostilities, both structurally and with surveillance equipment.

On Friday, Israel’s Channel 12 also reported that IDF Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi was opposed to Netanyahu’s plan for a swift Rafah campaign, saying that although the military is technically capable of such an operation, it would be unwise to undertake it without coordination with the Egyptians and plans for the city’s massive refugee population.

Netanyahu, according to the report, thinks the IDF would need to wrap up a Rafah campaign by the March 10 start of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month.

in Rafah, Wednesday, January 24, 2024. (AP Photo/Hatem Ali)
Egypt and Saudi Arabia have added their voices to a rising tide of criticism of a planned Israeli ground offensive in the Gaza Strip’s southern city of Rafah, after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu indicated that such a campaign was forthcoming.

Netanyahu announced Friday that he had ordered the Israeli military to present the cabinet with a plan to both evacuate the city’s civilian population — augmented by over one million refugees from the strip’s north and center — and destroy Hamas’s remaining battalions in the area.

According to Netanyahu, an assault on Rafah is critical to completing Israel’s stated war aim of dismantling Hamas. Earlier in the week, the premier rejected Hamas’s “delusional” terms for a hostage deal, which included a full withdrawal of Israeli troops from the Strip and the release of hundreds of terrorists serving life sentences.

“There is limited space and great risk in putting Rafah under further military escalation due to the growing number of Palestinians there,” Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry said on Saturday during a press briefing, warning that an escalation would have “dire consequences.”

The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that Egyptian officials warned the decades-long peace treaty between Egypt and Israel could be suspended if Israel Defense Forces’ troops enter Rafah, or if any of Rafah’s refugees are forced southward into the Sinai Peninsula.

In addition, Saudi Arabia — which has already conditioned normalization with Israel on an end to hostilities and steps toward the establishment of a Palestinian state — issued a statement Saturday warning of “the extremely dangerous repercussions of storming and targeting the city of Rafah in the Gaza Strip,” given the city being “the last refuge for hundreds of thousands of people.”

Reuters reported that in an effort to forestall a massive influx of refugees, Egypt has over the past two weeks stationed some 40 tanks near its border with Gaza, after having reinforced the border wall since the beginning of hostilities, both structurally and with surveillance equipment.

On Friday, Israel’s Channel 12 also reported that IDF Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi was opposed to Netanyahu’s plan for a swift Rafah campaign, saying that although the military is technically capable of such an operation, it would be unwise to undertake it without coordination with the Egyptians and plans for the city’s massive refugee population.

Netanyahu, according to the report, thinks the IDF would need to wrap up a Rafah campaign by the March 10 start of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month.

The two Arab countries’ admonitions follow similar warnings by the United States, where senior figures in the administration of President Joe Biden have publicly decried the prospect of a Rafah offensive as a “disaster.” Philippe Lazzarini, chief of the UN’s aid agency for Palestinian refugees UNRWA, was also quoted by Reuters saying “there is a sense of growing anxiety, growing panic in Rafah because basically people have no idea where to go.”

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Senior Hamas Nukhba Brigade Commander Abu al-Baraa told the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) during interrogations on Thursday that he had a message for the remaining Hamas fighters, "I recommend everyone surrender, your fate is death."

Wait a second, hold on there. What about that whole martyr and virgin thing?

Surrender to fight another day.

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Israel is done “negotiating” with both terrorists and assholes like Biden. Hell, at the rate they’re dissembling Hamas, they might be done in less than 45 days and halfway done with the 1 km no mans land.

1k isn’t wide enough now 15k maybe.

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Surrender to fight another day.

Short of executing, forever imprisoning or de-radicalizing them, that's really the only thing that will happen. I wouldn't lose any sleep over a "take no prisoners" policy, but I doubt it will happen.

https://www.breitbart.com/midd...ael-not-to-go-there/

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) rescued two Israeli hostages on Sunday in the town of Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip, bringing elation to Israel and hope for the rescue of more hostages.

In a joint statement, the IDF, Israel Security Agency (ISA), and Israel Police said:

It was cleared for publication that during a joint IDF, ISA, and Israel Police operation in Rafah, overnight, two Israeli hostages were rescued, Fernando Simon Marman (60) and Louis Har (70), who were kidnapped by the Hamas terrorist organization on October 7th from Kibbutz Nir Yitzhak.

They are both in good medical condition, and were transferred for medical examination at the Sheba Tel Hashomer hospital.

Security forces will continue to operate with all means in order to return the hostages home.

Israel’s Army Radio reported that the hostages were rescued from a building in an operation involving both ground forces and airstrikes, and that several terrorists were killed in the battle. The Israel Air Force struck targeted buildings after the hostages had been extracted.

The Times of Israel reported:

Asked on his first impressions of the pair, [Har’s son-in-law Idan] Bejerano said “They’re both in bed at the hospital. It’s difficult to know, but they look whole. Whether they’re healthy in spirit, in body, is still hard to know. But they look whole.”

“It seems they had strength of spirit for these 128 days, to remain strong and to come back to us.”

He notes that neither is young, with Har turning 71 in a few weeks’ time, and Marman having marked his 61st birthday in captivity.

IDF is hammering Rafah and took out a Mosque (all that remains is the minaret).

And they continue to move quite a bit of troops, tanks and support to the norther boarder with Lebanon.

Likely to begin pushing into Lebanon within a week.

Not a good time for the SecDef to be back in ICU. Austin transferred power to Deputy this evening, Kathleen Hicks has assumed the watch.

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What is the real solution for long term peace?

A perpetual Israeli occupation of Gaza, since these savages can't control themselves.

Two to three generations of Israel controlling the education of Palestinian children will go a long way towards stopping these psychopaths from turning their children into terrorists.

Hamas has been in control of the Gaza Strip since June, 2007. I make the assumption that they took over school curriculum as quickly as possible, generously taking a year to do so.

So, they have had sixteen years to inculcate their hatred of Israel and the sole purpose of the Palestinian’s is the total destruction of Israel and all Jewish people!

Based on published population statistics, half of the approximately three million people are under 21 and ALL have been indoctrinated by Hamas. It might be unfair on my part, but likely Hamas has created a million terrorists minded people, about 60% being male with the majority being able to fight for Hamas. During this same time period, the population as a whole has been subject to the same government mandated and controlled propaganda.

All of that said, it is likely that essentially the entire population is Hamas supportive if not actively contributing to Hamas atrocities. I think that report of “civilian” deaths (except for children who have not attended school) is a fictional number.

I invite any and all to discuss my analysis - it simply lends support to the above quotation:

“ Two to three generations of Israel controlling the education of Palestinian children will go a long way towards stopping these psychopaths from turning their children into terrorists.[/QUOTE]‘

No Arab nation wants Palestinians crossing their borders as refugees for very good reason. They are violent, ultra-radicalized savages that bring trouble everywhere they’ve been allowed to go in the past. The excuse they are giving is that they deserve a “state” of their own, and that Israel should accommodate them, but they have made it clear that they do NOT want them in their lands. As we have already seen, Egypt is going as far as building a manned wall with military forces at the ready. The Saudis have had prominent voices claiming Palestinians are not legitimate. Iran, of course, wants nothing to do with them except from a distance.

Israel would be wise to begin creating their buffer zone now, seeing as how the pressure to accept Palestine’s autonomy is mounting- especially from traitors supposedly running our country. Flatten it, install sensors to detect tunneling sounds, land mines, drone swarms, the works. Whatever it takes to make approaching lethally impossible.

https://twitter.com/MarinaMedv...inside-gaza-n2635108

The two rescued hostages were held on the second floor of a building in the heart of Rafah.

Israel performed a complex battle and rescue operation.

“The forces broke open the locked building door using an explosive device, shot at nearby points and successfully rescued the abductees.

At this point, fire was opened from the building and nearby buildings, and a prolonged battle took place, during which dozens of Hamas targets were attacked from the air in order to allow the force to leave the building. During the operation, an IDF soldier who fell from a height was slightly injured. After he managed to get out safely, the force arrived at a prearranged point with a helicopter that took off with the abductees to the Sheba Hospital.”

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https://www.breitbart.com/midd...human-rights-report/
The new requirement comes amid increased pressure from the Biden administration on Israel to end the war, as well as increased public criticism. It also comes as Israel faces false charges of “genocide” at the International Court of Justice at The Hague.

A better question. When will our wars end?

As soon as we treat war as war, instead of "Nation Building" experiments.

Fuck around find out, adios and have fun rebuilding.

Instead of Fuck around, get an apology from us, and 10-15 years of free money.

Nation building the way we did it after WW2 was correct, though we compromised due to the spread of communism. Completely destroy the enemy's ability and WILL to make war, only then do you engage in "nation building" as long as you control it. Not like in Iraq where we let Iran engage us through proxies over and over again while trying limit warfare with almost unlimited nation building. The same thing in Afghanistan with interference from Pakistan and Iran through Al Qaeda and ISIS/ISIL.

Biden mad terrorists might go to bed hungry.


American officials reportedly furious after Finance Minister blocks aid shipment from going to UN refugee agency proven to have close ties to Hamas terrorist organization.

Smotrich stopping US grain from going to UNRWA

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/385148

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich is holding up a shipment of American flour to Gaza because it is intended for UNRWA, Walla correspondent Barak Ravid reported.

According to the report, American officials claim that Smotrich is not allowing the shipment into Gaza because its destination is UNRWA, whose involvement in Hamas terrorism, including the October 7 massacre, has recently been proven.

Officials in the administration are outraged by the decision and claim that it violates a commitment by Prime Minister Netanyahu given to President Biden according to which all American aid will be allowed into the Strip.

COGAT is attempting to circumvent the Finance Minister's directive to prevent the flour from going to UNRWA by instead giving it to the UN World Food Program, which does not face the same accusations of involvement in terrorism as UNRWA.

Joe Biden Shields Palestinians from Deportation, Vows to Give Them U.S. Jobs

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...-give-them-u-s-jobs/

On Wednesday, Biden issued a memorandum to DHS and the State Department, providing most Palestinians in the U.S. with “Deferred Enforced Departure” for at least 18 months amid war in Israel with Hamas terrorists.

Ultimately, the memorandum ensures that most Palestinians cannot be deported from the U.S. over the next year and a half — a plan that was first pitched to Biden by the far-left Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

“I am directing the deferral of removal of certain Palestinians who are present in the United States,” Biden writes in the memorandum. “… I have determined that it is in the foreign policy interest of the United States to defer for 18 months the removal of any Palestinian subject to the conditions and exceptions provided below.”

Also, the memorandum authorizes DHS to open “employment for noncitizens whose removal has been deferred … for the duration of such deferral” as well as urging the agency to loosen regulations so that Palestinians in the U.S. on F-1 student visas can hold American jobs.

The Biden administration’s economic agenda, for years now, has been to massively inflate the nation’s labor market with millions of newly arrived illegal aliens and legal immigrants.

That agenda has delivered highly successful results for the business lobby and corporate special interests who have a vested financial interest in keeping U.S. wages down by adding millions to the workforce with a constant stream of foreign-born workers to hire.

Former Democrat congressman Dennis Kucinich recently called Biden’s agenda “a plan to drive down wages.”

America’s working and middle class have been detrimentally impacted by the agenda. For instance, the latest employment data reveals that since late 2019, nearly three million illegal aliens and legal immigrants have been added to the workforce, while there are close to 200,000 fewer native-born Americans working today.

In the last year, nearly all new U.S. jobs have gone to foreign-born workers.

Report: Biden quickly advancing plan for Palestinian state

Biden administration and several Arab countries are advancing a plan to declare a Palestinian state after the war in Gaza ends; timetable expected to be announced within weeks.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/385245

The Biden administration, together with several Arab countries, is quickly advancing a plan for a timetable to create a Palestinian state the day after the war in Gaza ends, the Washington Post reported.

According to the plan, which the Post called a "comprehensive plan for long-term peace between Israel and Palestinians," the timeline for the establishment of "Palestine" could be announced within the next several weeks.

The plan is being advanced quickly due to the proposed temporary cessation of fire suggested in the prisoner swap deals placed on the negotiations table.

The planners hope that a ceasefire of at least six weeks would allow time to announce the plan to the public, recruit support, and take necessary steps towards creating a state; they hope that an agreement can be reached before Ramadan begins on March 10.

One US official told the Post that, "The key is the hostage deal."

The Post claimed that Israel is "the elephant in the room," since Israel would need to agree to withdraw "many, if not all, settler communities on the West Bank," as well as agree to "Palestine's" capital being "East Jerusalem," reconstructing Gaza, and allowing security and governance agreements for an Arab state in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

"The hope is that Israel would also be offered specific security guarantees and normalization with Saudi Arabia and other Arab states that would be hard to refuse," the Post added.

US officials also aid that the actions under consideration include "early US recognition of a Palestinian state," even while the exact elements of such a state are being implemented.

A US official briefed to the talks explained to the Post, "We don’t want to lose the momentum of this moment by doing this in pieces and in parts."

Gush Etzion Regional Council Mayor, and Chairman of the Yesha Council, Shlomo Ne'eman, commented on the report:

"The establishment of a Palestinian state means a loss in the war and a victory for the cruel enemy in the Palestinian Authority."

"We cannot turn off the lights and give up the State of Israel. Therefore we will not be silent until we receive a clear announcement from the Israeli government that a Palestinian state will not be established, not tomorrow, and not at all.''

Binyamin Regional Council Governor Israel Ganz denounced the plan:

"Do not reward murder! There can be no gift of an independent palestinian state after the October 7th massacre. This would be not only a moral disgrace but a massive threat to Israel's very existence."

"The Israel Defense Forces have spent the past few months combating threats on Israel's borders, and this includes a major rise in terror against Jewish Israelis in Judea, Samaria, and in Binyamin - just a few short miles from the central Israeli towns of Netanya, Kfar Saba and Tel Aviv. Establishing a palestinian state in these highlands will turn Kfar Saba into Kfar Aza and Modi'in into Be'eri, no less. It is inconceivable that Israel’s closest ally could reward the perpetrators and supporters of the October massacre in our southern communities, to boost the expectations of child murderers and rapists, terrorists who rose up against the Jewish People and the State of Israel, just four months ago."

"The Israeli government must announce, immediately and in no uncertain terms, that it opposes and completely rejects any palestinian statehood process at this time. The responsibility for such an announcement rests squarely on the shoulders of our Prime Minister and his Cabinet, and we expect our leaders to make this clear to the US and to the world."

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I'm no scholar of the history of Israel, but hasn't there already been basically a two-state solution for awhile? And every time the Israelis have let go of the leash to let the Palestinians show that they can act like adults, they get bit in the ass?

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I'm no scholar of the history of Israel, but hasn't there already been basically a two-state solution for awhile? And every time the Israelis have let go of the leash to let the Palestinians show that they can act like adults, they get bit in the ass?

Yup, Gaza was their own state with no Israelie control since 2007. And all they did was plot on Israel. Frankly Israel should flatten the place, fill in the tunnels and send the people found there to someplace else. You don’t cut out 2/3 of the cancer you have-you remove it all

Yes, a separate Palestinian state. Just not near Israel. Perhaps they can carve out some space in Yemen where the rebels are? Or maybe in the Sahara?

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Or maybe in the Sahara?

EXACTLY what I was thinking. Great minds......