It is nothing but a liberal temper tantrum. These white house petitions are a joke anyway; contrived by the current squatter to make people feel as if they really have a say in what happens in governing the nation.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
I don't understand you guys at all. If the Euros will take Syrians, the Euros will take Californians. We just have to dump them somewhere on the continent so the EU has a chance to wring their hands and claim that they have no choice but to take the "refugees" (from Trump, perhaps? That oughtta sell well in France).

We keep the land. All of it. It makes no sense for the people with guns to feel obliged to give land to the people with no guns.

It would never work. The Euros know who Leftist Californians are and what they do.

Yeah, but the Euros knew/know who all those "refugees" are, and still taking them.

^^^ Precisely. There's absolutely no reason to give up some of the best farmland and offshore mineral reserves we've got just because a bunch of selfish brain-dead assholes are trying to snivel their way into history.

I'm of the opinion that, once a state joins the Union, they can't just up and leave. Lincoln fought a war on that basic premise. The Union is perpetual and no state can leave it without the unanimous agreement of all the other states in the Union. The language in Article XIII of the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777 seems very clear on the matter.

If you are curious, you can read the language at the link below in the United States Code, along with the other Organic Laws of this great nation: http://uscode.house.gov/browse...claws&edition=prelim

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Originally posted by HRK:
After Obozo won there were threads and chatter about TX doing the same so can we really say much about the CAEXIT whoopla?

One difference is that Texas probably could manage to survive as a separate country, and California could not. Without water from other states most people would die. Without electricity from other states, most people would live as in the 1800s. Texas has its own independent electric grid, barely connected to the outside world, and we don't import water--instead we accumulate it in man-made reservoirs created by dams (and probably could do more).

Mind you, I'm not advocating for Texas to secede, but it would at least be possibly viable. California contemplating it is asinine and unrealistic.

flashguy

Let em go and take their 55 electoral votes with them. Libatards probably would never have another Dem POTUS

Let them go if they promise to take Chicago with them!

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Originally posted by cherokee2u:
Let em go and take their 55 electoral votes with them. Libatards probably would never have another Dem POTUS

Ya... they are increasingly not like the rest of us... If they want Hillary as their President so bad, I say let them have her!
I read an article about this today:

November 27, 2016
Let California Go
By Robert Oscar Lopez

When people speak of Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote, they are really speaking about California. In that state, Hillary Clinton won 6,621,346 votes to Donald Trump's 3,549,576 as of this writing. This margin of over three million votes alone accounts for any claim that Clinton exceeded Trump in popular support.

Consider some numbers. In New York, Trump won 37.5% of the vote; in New Jersey, Trump won over 40%; and in Illinois, Trump won 39.4%. Among sizably populated states that lean "overwhelmingly" Democrat, California is in a class by itself. Trump struggled to get even a third of Californian votes.

Moreover, New York, New Jersey, and Illinois differ markedly from California because their tilt toward the Democrats happens on a very different landscape. New York and Illinois are pushed into deep blue territory by singular metro areas (NYC and Chicago), which overpower small-town areas ("upstate" or "downstate") where Republicans gather in strong numbers. New Jersey is wedged between the Democratic machine cities of Philadelphia and New York City and has a smattering of medium-sized urban centers with large black populations.

Only in California does one find a vast state with a huge population (nearly 40 million people) with multiple sprawling metro areas that all lean strongly Democratic or, at best (in the case of San Diego), just libertarian enough to be less than completely left wing. The San Francisco Bay Area, Los Angeles, Sacramento, Palm Springs, Long Beach, etc. stretch across miles and miles of a complex and diverse landscape, hosting a stunning multiplicity of races and ethnicities. Yet everywhere you go in the state, you seem to find Democrats or Republicans who just don't strike you as all that conservative.

California is a different country. They know it, we know it, and the Lord has certainly noticed. The other 49 states are far worse for being burdened with this swollen modern-day mess.

Pretend the USA got to dump this state. Rather than Hillary Clinton leading in the popular vote at all, Donald J. Trump would claim 57,284,861 votes over Clinton's 55,160,670, making Trump the winner by 306 electoral votes to 177, sporting a comfy buffer of 2,124,191 votes.

Californians seem to understand that despite their huge numbers, they are an ideologically foreign parasite at war with the antibodies of their host country. It was a miracle that Proposition 8 once passed in California, but that was eight years ago, and we have seen no signs since then that California will be anything less than an over-the-top left wing disaster zone of vice, identity politics, and sexual chaos.

New York could raise up a Donald Trump in the blue-collar outer boroughs that still have a little of that American grit, but California will never raise up another Reagan, and it is doubtful that the state can raise anything other than sex-obsessed lunatics. Every race and culture that sets down roots in California suddenly has to be dominated by its LGBT members -- just see how Latino politics at the state level has been taken over by Jimmy Gomez, who introduced a bill to abolish mothers and fathers on birth certificates, and Ricardo Lara, who introduced a bill that would allow LGBT students to sue Christian colleges for standing by biblical sexuality.

"Civil rights" in California means the right to genetically engineer children for couples in sterile same sex pairs. "Women's rights" in California means the right to abort babies, sell baby parts, and raid David Daleiden's home with the approval of the state attorney general.

There are some anti-Trump forces in California so horrified at the 2016 election that they have suggested a "Calexit," a secessionist movement. People who scoff at this idea seem to forget that Donald Trump just became the president-elect and that in this day and age, anything's possible.

I say, let California go. It is true that the state has a great deal of money and natural resources, but the rest of the country has more of each. The last time a state seceded, there was a civil war, but this time there wouldn't be one. Californians want to smoke pot and hold wild orgies next to shimmering swimming pools; they won't feel the need to coax Oregon or Nevada to join them. Non-Californians would have no interest in physically entering California to bring them back, since nobody wants to contract some kind of airborne herpes just to engage in close combat with rebels in West Hollywood or Santa Cruz.

California has the largest K-12 and university systems, but these schools, even Stanford, wouldn't be a terrible loss. In my years at California State University-Northridge, dropping my daughter off to local public schools, I saw everything that California has to offer in terms of intellectual life. How can I put this nicely? The state's dumb.

Californians do not find common values with any state outside their own. They have no ideological principle that causes them to be so repugnant to the rest of their country. Non-Californians would see little to save by forcing the state to be American. Unlike the situation with African slavery, Californians choose to get high on reefer, buy breast implants, attempt to surgically reassign their genders, and hand off their children to be raised by undocumented nannies who do not speak English. This is a secession we can have without bloodshed, trauma, or Walt Whitman.

There's a lot of money in California, but why should we want their accounting to be logged on the same ledgers as the rest of the country? California money is earned by producing things that we're forced to consume through monopolies, degrading of our souls, or market manipulation, such as pornography (now liberated from any epidemiological responsibility by California's defeat of Prop 60), endless media apps with escalating levels of pointless addictiveness, and increasingly banal and depraved entertainment (have you seen the latest X-Men film?). Their shady overseas financiers bring in money from mafias in every outpost from Russia to China to the Caspian Republics, while a large chunk of their employment goes to illegal immigrants, ranging from the most menial to even middle-management jobs.

Consider these lines from Jeffrey Katzenberg's open letter in the Hollywood Reporter:

The Founding Fathers provided tools to combat the demagogues they knew might come along. We merely need to steadfastly take advantage of these tools, by making our 61 million-plus voices forcefully heard in the Congress, in the Senate, in the courts and peacefully on the streets.

And no one should be more motivated to utilize these tools than we who work in the creative industries that stretch from Hollywood to Silicon Valley and beyond. Ours is a community that prizes openness, respect and tolerance. The basis of our industries is freedom of expression. We must make clear to President-elect Trump that it is vitally important he support these values.

It is hilarious to hear this Fieldston School alumnus who made The Little Mermaid and Kung Fu Panda lecture us about Donald Trump's detachment from reality and the importance of the Founding Fathers. It is even more amusing to hear Mr. Katzenberg describe DreamWorks' endless stream of cookie-cutter movies as a "creative industry," which he places in a map of "openness, respect and tolerance" that seems to stretch only from Culver City to Marin County.

But there is something profoundly depressing and futile about Katzenberg's "open letter to Hollywood." There are unexamined assumptions and unacknowledged realities in this reaction to Donald Trump.

First, why do we need to worry about California's voices being heard? The Congress and Senate just came off elections of their own, and maybe Katzenberg hasn't noticed that the country as a whole has resoundingly rejected liberal Democratic policies. And Mr. Katzenberg is speaking to Hollywood, the people who have churned out copious garbage that contributed to the country's sense that the greatness of a truly decent culture has been lost beneath the annoying sarcasm, plastic surgery, and cheap profanity of Los Angeles's soulless films, television, and music. We've heard those voices and don't want to hear them anymore.

Even sadder is Katzenberg's delusion that he speaks for open-mindedness, tolerance, and freedom of expression. The scripts that Hollywood has vomited out for decades have been mercilessly restricted to a narrow liberal mindset and easy-to-market platitudes. Anyone who strays from the multicultural party line gets boycotted, blacklisted, and mobbed. I've been hearing about the "Friends of Abe" for years; they are a group of secret conservatives working in Hollywood's inner circles. They haven't come forward and brought about mass improvements to pop culture by now, so I assume that waiting for them is a hopeless waste of our time. California conservatives can be repaid for their epic cowardice and moderate positioning by being the collateral damage of a Calexit. They've hidden their true colors for years, so I don't see how it helps them or conservatives in the rest of the country to keep them tied to us.

Mr. Katzenberg stresses how open-minded he is. How open-minded are a man and town that react with horror to find out what the rest of the country is really thinking?

This is a California thing. Self-enclosed, spoiled, and yet emotionally frail, the state is utterly at odds with the rest of the country. They are literally not "who we are as a country." They are something else entirely.

Maybe they would be wildly successful on their own, with their mishmash of porn impresarios, cosmetologists, libertarians, film school hacks, prosperity preachers, illegal aliens, left-wing loudmouths, and oversexed homosexuals. They would be a massively wealthy independent nation charting a course through new historical grounds. Maybe they would collapse under their own dysfunctional decadence and be horribly embarrassed about ever having condescended to the 283 million normal and self-sufficient Americans who don't live in their state. Honestly, as a refugee from California State University-Northridge, I don't give a d---.

Let them go.

http://www.americanthinker.com...t_california_go.html

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Originally posted by cherokee2u:
Let em go and take their 55 electoral votes with them. Libatards probably would never have another Dem POTUS

Yep. Let them. I personally think it would be a good idea, and fully support the lefto's attempt at this.

First, remove all the federal monies flowing into CA, remove all federal employees (except for the new embassy we open there) throw up border checkpoints and the same things that we do for other foreign countries. Have everyone living in the new country sign over their US citizenship. (they voted to secede, you can't have it both ways)

Step Two- Let the newly found California government (presumably President Moonbeam) tax their way to prosperity.

Step Three- As the leftie elites attempt to flee the country after they realize that THEY are the governments taxation enemy, charge them a 40 percent rate to bring American jobs back to the United States.

Step Four- When California falls under its own weight in 18 months, Trump buys it back for pennies on the dollar, with the agreement that the state can not repeat the past. Trump then appoints a republican governor, senators and Congressmen.

Alternate Step Four- Mexico annexes it to be the third world county that it mostly is thanks to the liberals in control.

California north of Sacramento and San Francisco might opt to join Oregon, opening up additional Pacific Ocean shoreline for the US. Loss of our major Pacific ports might be a problem, and we'd have to become more dependent on Seattle (not too good an option, considering how Liberal that city is).

flashguy

AZ v CA water rights war

Those 'shining swimming pools' mentioned will be frog ponds in a matter of weeks. CA is a dry hole and lives off its own tears and Colorado River water. They secede, god bless 'em' and they start coughing up dust and don't have enough wet to spit.

Too bad actually, I'd like to see them go.

They leave and we keep the land????

can we have a referendum to throw them out?

that might make a more bitter tasting statement to the libtards that infest California

strip them of their citizenship, seize all their US currency, send them a bill for their share of the debt

we would become a very wealthy nation without having to subsidize the experiment in stupidity that California has become

and as an added benefit, no more Pelosi or Boxer...

I see this as a win-win-win-win-win

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Originally posted by jhe888:
They weren't in the Union for the last go-round on that. Maybe they don't think that applies to them?

California became a state in 1850. They were in the last go round.

The only nteresting issue will be the real property and infastructure owned by the federal government. Think Pendleto, San Diego, Irwin. Then there are the national parks.

If this truly happened would they need immigration paperwork, passports, etc.to leave their new country?

Besides the food they grow I'm trying to see a downside to this.

I wonder if Portland and Western Washington could go with them?

Don't tease me like this

Californians are free to get out all they want and go away, but to think that the US would just give up all that land for nothing is absurd. And honestly, we'd be foolish as a country to just let them secede.

On the other hand...

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Originally posted by oldfireguy:
If this truly happened would they need immigration paperwork, passports, etc.to leave their new country?

Besides the food they grow I'm trying to see a downside to this.

I wonder if Portland and Western Washington could go with them?

Yes, if they secede from the US, they are no longer US. Passports, baby.

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Originally posted by leavemebe:
I'm of the opinion that, once a state joins the Union, they can't just up and leave. Lincoln fought a war on that basic premise. The Union is perpetual and no state can leave it without the unanimous agreement of all the other states in the Union. The language in Article XIII of the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777 seems very clear on the matter.

If you are curious, you can read the language at the link below in the United States Code, along with the other Organic Laws of this great nation: http://uscode.house.gov/browse...claws&edition=prelim

This was the ruling in Texas v. White. The Articles of Confederation spoke of a perpetual union. When the Constitution was ratified, this perpetual union wasn't changed. Once in, your in forever.

Just checked, quite a few Valifornia countries voted for Trump. Fair being fair, if California wants to become the nation of woo, the counties that don't want to can stay in the union.

I dig Kern County, but wouldn't that be kind of a cruel thing to do to the people in Napa and Sonoma Counties who are actually working, producing something of value, and paying their bills without public assistance?