I am pretty sure that a vast majority of the Californians living in central and northern California would elect to split the state and stay in the US. Since that is the productive portion of the state in terms of agriculture, and rational thought, I know we would want them to stay.

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destroy all of their ability to be self-sustaining,

They don't have much fresh water.... they wouldn't be self-sustaining.

Go ahead and exit,

They don't have the resources to survive, CA buys a significant amount of it's power from out of state and Mexico. They don't have sufficient in state power generation facilities, and the ones they do are outdated.

Hey we'll sell them power, at triple the rate, same for fresh water, etc.

Since they don't like non renewable energy and love EPA style terrorist rules, they won't be able to build anything to sustain themselves,

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The only nteresting issue will be the real property and infastructure owned by the federal government. Think Pendleto, San Diego, Irwin. Then there are the national parks.

The Federal government owns about 43 percent of the land in California.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
Let them try.

Then we raise a massive army, invade, destroy all of their ability to be self-sustaining, kill one third of the population, starve another 10% to death, take private property for failure to pay taxes, have President Trump appoint people to rule a balkanized state, end all government assistance, and keep it that was for two generations.

....and hear their women, female identifying, gender neutral, bi-curious, transitioning partners lamentations....

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Originally posted by HRK:
Go ahead and exit,

They don't have the resources to survive, CA buys a significant amount of it's power from out of state and Mexico. They don't have sufficient in state power generation facilities, and the ones they do are outdated.

Hey we'll sell them power, at triple the rate, same for fresh water, etc.

Since they don't like non renewable energy and love EPA style terrorist rules, they won't be able to build anything to sustain themselves,

If Oregon and Arizona shut off the water, everyone south of San Francisco would die within days.

flsahguy

More power to them wasting their energies on a futile dream.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
They weren't in the Union for the last go-round on that. Maybe they don't think that applies to them?

CA became a state in 1850. They 'made noises' about secession (independent of the Confederacy & the US}, 'cause they they were sitting on a pile of gold!

CA was 'bribed' to remain part of the union with the promise to build a transcontinental railroad.

I'd be in favor of Calexit - Dems will lose their automatic 55 electors..

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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:
I'd be in favor of Calexit - Dems will lose their automatic 55 electors..

Guess who wouldn't have won the popular vote?

I support Calexit wholeheartedly! Hell, I'd vote to let 'me have the federal lands w/in their border. Likewise any military facilities. Whatever. Just go, already! Please!

Here you are, synthplayer:

'Calexit' organizers can now start collecting signatures to get California secession on the ballot

Supporters of the campaign for California to secede from the United States can now begin collecting the hundreds of thousands of signatures they need to get a proposed "Calexit" initiative on the ballot.

California Secretary of State Alex Padilla cleared the proposed initiative to begin collecting signatures on Thursday.

If the measure gets on the ballot and gains approval by a majority of voters, it would repeal clauses in the California Constitution stating that the state is an "inseparable part of the United States" and that the U.S. Constitution is the "supreme law of the land," according to the title and summary prepared by the state attorney general's office.

The measure would place another question on the ballot in 2019, asking whether California should become a separate country. If at least half of registered voters participate in that vote, with at least 55% of those voting to approve, the results would be treated as California's declaration of independence.

The current measure's fiscal effect is "dependent on various factors," writes the state's nonpartisan legislative analyst, and if it succeeds would result in "major, but unknown budgetary impacts."

The proposal's backers, known as Yes California, have argued that the state is culturally out of step with the rest of the U.S. and that California pays more money to the federal government than it receives in spending. The election of President Trump has only strengthened their argument, they say .

"California loses [by] being a part of America culturally and financially," said Marcus Ruiz Evans, one of the group's founders. "It could be a nation all its own, everybody knows that. The only question is if they want to break off."

It's unclear how the group will collect the required 585,407 valid signatures from registered voters over the next 180 days to qualify for the ballot.

A campaign committee, Yes California Independence Committee, has raised no funds so far, according to records from the secretary of state. But Evans says that his group has more than 7,000 volunteers (significantly down from a 13,000 estimate in December) ready to gather signatures and that voters can expect to see signature gatherers on the streets in the next couple of days.

Yes California says that even if the proposed initiative does land on the ballot and voters approve it, such an unprecedented move to secede would need to receive approval of at least a majority of the states in the union, among other legal hurdles .

Evans says he's not fazed.

"America already hates California, and America votes on emotions," he said. "I think we'd have the votes today if we held it."

UPDATE

7:01 p.m.: This post has been updated to clarify that the proposed initiative would place a future vote on California's secession on the ballot in 2019.

http://www.latimes.com/politic...83444-htmlstory.html

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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:
I'd be in favor of Calexit - Dems will lose their automatic 55 electors..

Guess who wouldn't have won the popular vote?

I've heard enough of the Left throwing the popular vote at us too. Clinton's less than 3 million vote margin doesn't even meet the 3.12 million registered voter margin the Dems hold in California alone. Registered Independents who vote Democrat in California gives them another 1.7 million potential voters.

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This would be a very different country if everything was subject to the tyranny of the majority. The Left wouldn't like it.

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"It could be a nation all its own, everybody knows that. The only question is if they want to break off."

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...." and America votes on emotions,"

First, I would love to see what the "Armed Forces of the Country of California" look like , and second, he is correct about voting on emotion. That is EXACTLY how liberals vote.

Trump will crush the Californians, see them driven before him and hear the lamentations of those who identify as women.

It's the "everybody knows that" that gets me. Californians have been talking for years about the size of their economy. They never talk about how dependent that economy is on California being a part of the US. They also never talk about water, highways, ports, investment, education, having a stable currency (or something to base it on other than Jerry Brown's vague assurances) or anything else they rely on the rest of the country to provide.

Does anyone really "know" that California would make it as an independent country? Most actual countries that are about California's size and shape (think Spain) are working overtime on becoming more and more tightly wrapped in regional alliances to overcome what they lack as independent countries. In the process they become less and less like independent countries and more and more like states in a federal union.

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Does anyone really "know" that California would make it as an independent country?

That's the thing, isn't it?
They wouldn't be an independent country for long, would they?
Not only could they not defend themselves, but they have very little water and massive debt. Once the federal welfare assistance stopped flowing even the special snowflakes would want to leave.

But I want to see them put this issue on the ballot. It may be just the impetus that causes them to face reality and forces them to make some needed changes to stay in the US.

Chellim, I saw that article this morning--they really are going to try to get the initiative on the ballot. That is certifiably crazy. But there are easily 600,000 certifiably crazy people in California.

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Originally posted by TigerDore:
I am pretty sure that a vast majority of the Californians living in central and northern California would elect to split the state and stay in the US. Since that is the productive portion of the state in terms of agriculture, and rational thought, I know we would want them to stay.

Let LA and SF split and the rest of California stay. The Dems would never let this happen because the Dems could never win the WH again without the vote of Democrats of those two Cities counted in a National Election.

Shut the water off at the Hoover Dam and see how long they last.