Californians are RACIST and are only doing this because a black man is in the White House!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...ement_b_2191701.html

Secession Movement: It Is Neither Cute Nor Funny

Let’s be clear that the secession movement is racist no matter how vigorously that may be denied. There would be no movement if a white man was sitting in the Oval Office. The economy continues to recover in all sectors, unemployment continues to inch down, the auto industry is healthy and the stock market is 65 percent higher now than when Obama took office. Yet from this progress comes the need to secede. So let us ignore the reality of a growing economy; let’s forget that we fought a bloody war to settle this question; in spite of that we will go with the flow. I have a proposal.

The epicenter of secession fever is, not surprisingly, in Texas. So we should use that momentum to everybody’s favor, and designate Texas as the new Republic to which all secessionists move. We strip American citizenship from all people who sign secession petitions and assign each a temporary Green Card to allow them legal residency in the United States for a designated period. We allow Texas to secede and create an independent New Texas Republic. We then encourage all secessionists to move to their new Republic; we do so by having the Green Card expire in five years. At the date of expiration they need to either be residing in New Texas or be subjected to deportation to the new country. As part of the secession process, New Texas will have to agree that current residents of Texas who do not wish to leave the Union retain their U.S. citizenship with no limits on residency and no restrictions on any rights afforded to U.S. citizens. Since only the U.S. federal government can print money, New Texas would have to create its own currency. The new country would also have to issue passports and create all the other trappings of an independent country. Citizens of the new country would forfeit their Social Security, have no Medicare and have to compensate the United States for lands and improvements like federal courthouses, prisons, military bases and parklands.

Think how much better off we all would be if all those who thought so little of the United States that they wished to leave the Union were actually gone. Good riddance; we should actually encourage them. We can live without Texas. Our political discourse would return to the center with no anti-science, anti-intellectual, religiously intolerant extremists to skew the debate. Give them Texas; let the loony right create a concentration of crazy; let those who wish to create a Christian nation do so; let them create a state of intolerance in which all abortions are banned, Creation Science is taught in place of evolution and climate change is a liberal hoax. And then let us move on.

Oh how that would feel good; but talk of secession is irresponsible. We need to be adult about this and recognize secession for what it is, and to do so we need to revisit our history. Southerners have explored this territory before, so let us look at their logic and see how they fared.

Southerners who claim a deep national pride celebrate their ancestors’ efforts to dissolve the very union of states whose flag they now so proudly fly. They honored then and again now a campaign to divide our country while claiming the mantle of patriot. That makes no sense. The contradiction is always swept under the rug with lots of flag waving. But that includes the confederate flag. A southern loyalist or any secessionist cannot be a patriot; the two ideals are mutually incompatible. You cannot simultaneously love the United States and love the idea of destroying the United States through dissolution. To claim both is insane, the equivalent of declaring that you love all Mexican food but hate enchiladas. The claims are each exclusive of the other and therefore by definition both cannot be true.

The last time Americans spoke of secession more than 630,000 soldiers were killed or wounded in four years of hellish war. To put this in perspective consider that the entire population of the United States at war’s end was 35 million, putting war casualties at nearly two percent of the total populace. Equivalent rates of casualties today would result in 5 million dead or wounded, dwarfing our losses in World War II, or any other war. This talk of secession is irresponsible, and ugly, and disrespectful to those who died preserving our Union.

Why did two percent of our population suffer death or maiming? So many Americans died because two sides differently interpreted the meaning of state sovereignty and the Tenth Amendment (ratified in 1791). The text of the amendment is simple enough: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” But we also have the Supremacy Clause of Article VI of the Constitution, which says, “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”

Eleven southern states seceded from the Union in protest against federal legislation that limited the expansion of slavery claiming that such legislation violated the Tenth Amendment, which they argued trumped the Supremacy Clause. The war was indeed about protecting the institution of slavery — as a specific case of a state’s inherent right to declare any federal law null and void.

The inherent tension between Article VI and the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution has kept lawyers busy and wealthy since our founding, and the argument goes on today. Nevertheless, Lincoln saw clearly that in seceding from the Union on the basis of the Tenth Amendment the southern states by default declared the U.S. Constitution dead. The Union could not possibly survive if secession was left to stand. Once the principle of seceding is established the glue holding the Union together would soon dissolve. Proof of that is in the fact that during the war the Confederacy began to dissolve through the secession of Southern states from the Confederacy. South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union, also threatened later to secede from the Confederacy, as did Georgia later in the war. The legitimacy of secession could lead to nothing but balkanization, a group of independent states much like we see in Europe. The United States of American could not exist under these conditions.

The president of the United States, sworn to uphold the Constitution, had no choice but to take whatever measures were necessary to fulfill his commitment. You need not agree with that; the war settled the question whether you like it or not. Losing a war has consequences. We have had the argument and fought the war and the result is in. We have more than 600,000 dead and wounded to tell us that the Tenth Amendment does not trump the Supremacy Clause. Secession is not viable; we have been there and done that.

Anybody signing a secession petition should be deeply ashamed. The petition soils the memory of those who fought this battle before. By definition, nothing could be more un-American than an attempt to leave the Union. Secession is treason. Waving the American flag while promoting the effort to tear down that flag through disunion is untenable. Make a choice; be a proud American or a proud Secessionist. You cannot possibly be both.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Good riddance.

+1

Just fall off into the ocean already...

In the famous words of beloved Gov. Rick Perry, Adios Mo Fo's !!

A better idea is to move to CAN or MEX and stay the fuck there. Bunch of adolescent assclowns.

I liked the idiots at Berzerkeley HS chanting "he ain't our president." And just WTF are they going to do about it?

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Originally posted by Sgt Neutron:
I can't figure California out. Yesterday they voted to keep death penalty, and to speed up the rate of executions:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/...opts-to-10604326.php

California voters defeated a ballot measure to repeal the state’s death penalty, while voting to pass a rival measure backed by prosecutors that would seek to speed up executions.

For the second time in four years, voters rejected a law to reduce the maximum sentence for capital crimes to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Proposition 62 was defeated 54 percent to 46 percent.

Proposition 66, which would set strict timelines for state court rulings in capital cases and limit future appeals, won with a narrow 51 percent of the vote, with 99 percent of precincts reporting.

The voters of California are affirming fairly strongly, once again, that they are in favor of the death penalty,” said Contra Costa County District Attorney Gary Peterson, a spokesman for the campaign to defeat Prop. 62 and pass Prop. 66.

The results indicated a sharp divide between the Bay Area and most of the rest of the state. Prop. 62 was drawing more than two-thirds support in San Francisco and Marin counties and over 60 percent in Alameda County, but was polling in the mid-30s in most of the Central Valley and inland areas.

The vote came even as nationwide opinion polls indicated the lowest level of support for capital punishment in 40 years. Executions in the United States are on a pace to total 20 this year, the lowest number since 1991.

California has nation’s largest Death Row, with 750 prisoners. But the state has executed only 13 prisoners since enacting its death penalty law in 1977, and none since January 2006.

Executions have been on hold since then because of rulings by a federal judge, who found major flaws in injection procedures and staff training, and by state courts that have set stiff standards for adopting new procedures.

An initiative to repeal the death penalty lost by 4 percentage points in 2012.

Backers of Prop. 62 stressed the death penalty’s financial effects in their campaign. The Legislature’s nonpartisan fiscal analyst said a repeal would save the state $150 million a year by eliminating penalty-phase trials and appeals and transferring inmates from high-security, single-cell enclosures to the general prison population.

Supporters of Prop. 66 disputed those cost savings and said their measure would save money by speeding up executions and lowering the Death Row population. Death sentence appeals can take more than 20 years to resolve, and the measure’s backers said they could reduce that substantially by requiring the state Supreme Court to rule on a condemned prisoner’s direct appeal within five years. That’s half as long as it typically takes a capital case to make its way through the state’s high court.

The five-year deadline, from the time of sentencing, would also apply to the second-stage appeals known as habeas corpus, which typically involve claims of incompetent legal representation, misconduct by prosecutors or jurors, and other issues that may be uncovered long after trial. Those cases would move from the state’s high court to the original trial court, and the defense lawyer’s filing deadline would be reduced from three years to one year.

Prop. 66 will prohibit further appeals except when the defense offers evidence that the defendant was innocent. Another provision seeks to speed up the appointment of defense lawyers, now in short supply, by requiring attorneys to take capital appeals if they already accept court appointments in non-capital cases.

As of Monday, $16,104,181 had been raised in support of Prop. 62 and $12,529,306 against it. For Prop. 66, it was $13,173,990 in support and $17,686,257 against.

The dumbshits of KA also voted to let more fucking criminals out of prison. You'd think these idiots would learn from the last prop that they passed just a few years ago, also letting waves of asshole criminals back on the streets.

The way this is going, KA won't even need jails or prisons anymore. Heck, they're already trying to do away with the bail system.

Well, all of those stars wouldn't have to move. Can the rest of the country vote on this too?

it would be interesting to see a referendum on this

Please, please, please let this happen.

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Originally posted by Shaql:
Let 'em go. Turn off the water from CO, UT, NM. I can live without the almonds...

You forgot AZ--a lot of California's water comes from Parker Dam on the Colorado, and most of the watershed of that river is in AZ.

flashguy

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Originally posted by rscalzo:
About 18 percent of the state's GNP comes from Federal spending. As they have a significant coastline, who maintains that when the Feds leave?


So who picks up that tab when they leave? Not the US any longer.

Easy, the rich liberal fools will just have to pay their "fair share." Liberal utopia is expensive.....

Liberals are like a baby some other kid takes a toy away from. They throw a fit, stomp their feet, and cry.

Bye Felicia!

Our "friends", a liberal couple from California, decided to visit their friends in Santa Barbara this week. These are normally nice people who can't rationally discuss politics. Golf is our mutual interest. They say they return to Santa Barbara every year to "recharge" after a year behind the Magnolia Curtain.

Maybe they had a foretelling of how this historic election would turn out.

Maybe they won't come back.

As for "Calexit," it's just a few morons, not to be taken seriously.

If California became its own country, would they enforce their border?

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Originally posted by asonie:
If California became its own country, would they enforce their border?

More importantly, would Nevada, Arizona, and Oregon enforce theirs???????

Can we vote on that or is that just for the Californians to vote on. Get then off out of our country and our economy will improve.

Allow those that have moved to CO & TX etc to move back. Allow qualified people to move from there. Build the wall. Restore the natural, original, environmentally correct flow of rivers into CA. End Federal tax subsidies for them as they are leaving.

Break off key in lock.

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People in California are calling for a 'Calexit' from the US in the wake of Trump's win

We can always have hope that this will come about.