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Originally posted by chellim1:
Here you are, synthplayer:

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If the measure gets on the ballot and gains approval by a majority of voters, it would repeal clauses in the California Constitution stating that the state is an "inseparable part of the United States" and that the U.S. Constitution is the "supreme law of the land," according to the title and summary prepared by the state attorney general's office.

Well, this state seems to completely ignore the "supreme law of the land" when its comes to the 2nd or any other pesky law that gets in their way, that's for sure.

As a CA Native this more than upsets me. This state is NOT the same that I grew up in. Personally, I have set a goal- the end of 2017 to get the hell out of this place. I can't take it anymore... Burn it to the ground.

This will never pass by the way.

All this talk of CA leaving is a fun mental thing but likely prohibited by the CA constitution. Still, it might mean more millennials moving here for their perceived paradise although they'd better hope their parents give them bags of money to buy a house otherwise they'll be homeless.

CA will turn into Venezuela in short order of the miracle of seceding ever comes true.

Let California go! [Charlton Heston "Moses" voice heard!]

Then their 2 Dem senators, and 53 (39 Dems & 14 Repubs) members of the House would no longer be in the Congress. The 53 House members authorized would be re-allocated back into to the rest of the USA, with odds being more Repubs slots spread around to the other States. And this time, would the other States actually fight to stop California leaving the Union; I think not.

I think I'd worry about there being an independent country within our physical borders that was vulnerable to conquest by outsiders--we'd then have invaders within our sphere of influence with substantial port facilities.

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:
I think I'd worry about there being an independent country within our physical borders that was vulnerable to conquest by outsiders--we'd then have invaders within our sphere of influence with substantial port facilities.

flashguy

Yep... This is the logical concern that I would have too. It is fun to dream about though - not losing California, but losing all of those liberals.

The more our country becomes divided, the more likely this type of scenario becomes though.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:...CA will turn into Venezuela in short order of the miracle of seceding ever comes true.

On one hand, that is very much an exaggeration. On the other hand, much the same philosophies that were behind the rise and fall of Venezuela are thriving here in CA. And on the current course, maybe our becoming Venezuela is only a matter of time.

Yes, that was my point.

The state isn't heading towards solvency, on a long term basis, and their tax structure relies on the relatively few top earners. Those folks can leave and then what do they have?

A path to Venezuela.

The state has become so liberal that there's little hope that their leaders will see the bright light ahead as a train in the tunnel and not the sun.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:...CA will turn into Venezuela in short order of the miracle of seceding ever comes true.

On one hand, that is very much an exaggeration. On the other hand, much the same philosophies that were behind the rise and fall of Venezuela are thriving here in CA. And on the current course, maybe our becoming Venezuela is only a matter of time.

At least Venezuela has oil, not of high quality but tons of it. What natural resources CA has? Sure it has Google and Apple but that's hardly an unmovable source of tax revenue after all, these guys have been trying to hide their profits all along.

I'd bet that it'd be the DNC and their people trying to stop Calexit. DNC would be in huge trouble in the rest of the 49 without those given 55 electors and Congressional members.

If CA secedes (or at least tries to), will OR and WA go with them.?

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Originally posted by TigerDore:
I am pretty sure that a vast majority of the Californians living in central and northern California would elect to split the state and stay in the US. Since that is the productive portion of the state in terms of agriculture, and rational thought, I know we would want them to stay.

You're not entirely correct on either count. The Central Valley is the salad bowl of the nation, true. However, there is a lot of agricultural production (much of it higher value crops) in San Luis Obispo, Ventura, and parts of Santa Barbara county. In fact every few years northern Santa Barbara county wants to split off into a separate county to get away from liberal Santa Barbara. There is still a fair bit of productive (and high value) ag in San Diego county although they are really suffering for lack of reasonably priced water. On the other side of the equation, Silly Valley (where I lived and worked for several years) is just about as Libtarded as Hollywood.

Unfortunately, a more accurate description of what we'd want to send away in a CalExit would be the larger metro areas wherever they are, which d doesn't make drawing a line that easy. Can we just deport all the libtards and keep all the dirt instead?

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Originally posted by chellim1:
But I want to see them put this issue on the ballot. It may be just the impetus that causes them to face reality and forces them to make some needed changes to stay in the US.

Don't even get me started on the chances of ANYTHING making the average California voter recognize reality, much less face it.

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Originally posted by sjtill:
Chellim, I saw that article this morning--they really are going to try to get the initiative on the ballot. That is certifiably crazy. But there are easily 600,000 certifiably crazy people in California.

Heck, I am not sure that there are 600,000 certifiably sane people in California based on recent voting results.

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Originally posted by flashguy:
I think I'd worry about there being an independent country within our physical borders that was vulnerable to conquest by outsiders--we'd then have invaders within our sphere of influence with substantial port facilities.

flashguy

This big-time.

No way the Californians could / would protect themselves.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
If CA secedes (or at least tries to), will OR and WA go with them.?

Both OR and WA are pretty close to an even split with the split going to the libs. WA for instance has had an R senate and a D house for several years with the Senate a majority of one.

The two-folproblem in both states as I see it is the major metro area in each and of course the I-5 satellites (Olympia, Eugene etc.), and secondly that the thin majority if Libs are of the bat-shit crazy, no-guns, no borders, free shit, BLM, I'm smart and you're stupid variety.

They are a majority but not like CA where fetal brain-damage is one of the few ways to avoid being aborted.

Haha, I'm going to make millions shorting the California peso.

let them go and shut down and scuttle all the military bases and federal offices

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Originally posted by Sig209:

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Originally posted by flashguy:
I think I'd worry about there being an independent country within our physical borders that was vulnerable to conquest by outsiders--we'd then have invaders within our sphere of influence with substantial port facilities.

flashguy

This big-time.

No way the Californians could / would protect themselves.

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So... CA (the country) surrenders, the USA invades and takes it back, and CA ends up a US territory or something? The rest of the country gets all the benefits of having their economy, without having to worry about how they affect the house, senate, or electoral college? You say that like it's a bad thing.

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So... CA (the country) surrenders, the USA invades and takes it back, and CA ends up a US territory or something? The rest of the country gets all the benefits of having their economy, without having to worry about how they affect the house, senate, or electoral college? You say that like it's a bad thing.

Take the oil!!
Charge a tariff to export to the US!
Make them pay fair market value for the 43% of land that's Federal, especially for Yosemite, etc.!

Wait, I live in California now....

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Originally posted by sjtill:

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So... CA (the country) surrenders, the USA invades and takes it back, and CA ends up a US territory or something? The rest of the country gets all the benefits of having their economy, without having to worry about how they affect the house, senate, or electoral college? You say that like it's a bad thing.

Take the oil!!
Charge a tariff to export to the US!
Make them pay fair market value for the 43% of land that's Federal, especially for Yosemite, etc.!

Wait, I live in California now....

So do I :/

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Originally posted by sjtill:
Chellim, I saw that article this morning--they really are going to try to get the initiative on the ballot. That is certifiably crazy. But there are easily 600,000 certifiably crazy people in California.

only 600,000?

I was thinking more along the lines of 8,000,000

It was mentioned here a few times before but remember, without the Federal Government, California would have to find ways to make up the money they would lose from such an exit.

Things the Fed helps cover in CA:

Social security and Medicaid (anyone collecting a payment will pitch a fit once they realize they would no longer be eligible, thus stopping the stupid from happening in it's own right)

Defense and Non-Defense Contracts (Corporate Welfare so to speak)

Funding for public universities (along with research contracts and grants) + Financial Aid to Students + Pell Grants

SNAP benefits (see social security) + Women, Infants, & Children (WIC)

Funding for local governments (as an example: water utilities get fed Subsidies)

Headstart + K-12 School funding

Section 8 Housing

Transportation Funding

Once every citizen realizes the potential for losing money, it becomes a no-win situation for California. There isn't enough income (probably less when all the businesses leave because of FED dependency) to cover the tax burden that would fall upon each person based on what would be lost if there was no federal funding.

Just remind all of your Lib friends of these points when they start shouting that California is able to pull off CAlexit!