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Honda's EVs are dead. https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/st...nned-models-n2672851
 If those are (were) really the proposed cars, with those high beltlines and short windows, the visibility appears to be very poor. What's with all these new cars you can't see out of without cameras?  | |||
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One of my problems is that we are still essentially subsidizing electric cars by not mandating up front bonding for future disposal costs. Having responded to numerous electric vehicle fires and determining their origin and cause, I’m vehemently opposed to lithium ion battery vehicles on the road. While they may be less likely than ICE vehicles to catch on fire the consequences of a lithium ion battery Fire far exceed those of a traditional vehicle fire, by at least an order of magnitude. I think if we really want to have better electric vehicles we should do everything in our power to kill current lithium ion technology based vehicles in the hopes that it would create a race to solid state battery technology development. I didn’t fully appreciate the true hazard of these vehicles myself until I started responding to more emergencies involving lithium ion battery technology. They are not treated with the respect they warrant based upon the hazards they pose. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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You EV types don’t live in the real world. At all. All the evidence that EV isn’t taking off outside of massive govt subsidies is right in front of you but you ignore it. This thread is awash in “EV’s work great for me”. Who gives an actual shit? Nothing about this discussion is about you as an individual. Not about your cousin paid $50k for solar panels so I got an electric car. Nothing about I lease a cheap EV beater and then bought it but oh yea they don’t make those anymore. I drive in the cold it was fine. I see plenty of chargers. Blah, blah, blah. On an individual level riding a unicycle might work for you. This discussion started and has always been about the long term wide spread replacement of ICE with EV. To pretend otherwise is beyond disingenuous. The answer is clearly, no it is not happening. Enjoy your cars, whatever flavor they may be. Please don’t act like EV’s are thriving. Or tell us the next big breakthrough is just around the corner. You guys sound like Al Gore. Knock on my door when your magic battery arrives. You know, the inexpensive, lightweight, quick to charge, long range, and doesn’t just catch fire and require specialized gear to put it out battery. Until then just stop. Please. Or don’t. I find these threads wildly entertaining. Plus, PR’s car is absolutely beautiful. lol | |||
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I work indirectly for Cadillac and helped them launch their EVs. My take after 30k miles of driving them is this. In very cold weather say less than 20 degrees, keep them in the garage as the range is reduced in my experience by 65-70 percent. The EV chargers don't work like they should either, with power from the DC fast chargers being reduced by as much as 50-75 percent when near zero degrees. Infrastructure is getting better but there are a lot of open areas in some parts of the country. Evs will work for people driving back and forth to work if they have a charger at home or work. Solid state batteries which have been discussed with completely change the huge negatives of range and charging times if charging out on the road. Resale value is brutal now and battery life seems ok. Ev driving works and I love the torque and how quick they are. Forcing people to buy one however is government at it's worst. “Our actions may be impeded... But there can be no impeding our intentions or our dispositions. Because we can accommodate and adapt. The mind adapts and converts to its own purposes the obstacle to our acting. The impeding to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.” ― Marcus Aurelius | |||
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I wonder where I can score some salvage batteries in working order…. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Pedropcola, thank you for the compliment on my car. I personally don’t think that the EVs will take over the market. I don’t think they will save the planet. I don’t personally push them on anyone. I hated it when they were mandated. They shouldn’t mandate shit. I will admit that I absolutely do have some range anxiety and avoid long distance trips generally. I will repeat again that I did not buy my Mustang Mach E to save the world or anything else. I bought it because my Escape died on me and I got towed to a random ford dealership and was smitten by the car. That’s it. Basically an impulse buy really. Who wants a picture? ----------------------------------- Get your guns b4 the Dems take them away Sig P-229 Sig P-220 Combat | |||
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EV's work just fine for us (we're on Tesla #6 in 8 years); without one, I wouldn't have made a poor financial decision like I did in August and bought a used twin turbo V12 Mercedes.  We test-drove a Lucid Gravity and a Rivian R1S yesterday. Both are interesting and the same money as the soon-to-be-gone Model X. I'd prefer to spend a bit less on an Ineos Grenadier for a utility vehicle. | |||
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Model Y is the globally best selling car 3 years on a row for 23,24,25 I think it's time you opened your eyes. _____________________________________________ Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways." | |||
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Honda opened their eyes. The infrastructure and battery technology has a long way to go before it can even come close to replacing gas/diesel/hybrid vehicles for millions of Americans with real world practical applications. These vehicles would have made much more sense if marketed for the urban consumer and not a do-all replacement for the masses. Too bad many folks found this out the hard way. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell | |||
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It will be interesting to see how the autonomous ride share develops. We're talking millions of people in large metro areas not needing a car. It will be cheaper to just pay for the ride. Put yourself in the position of the younger generations who aren't attached to the idea of owning a car. No insurance, loan payment, maintenance or parking. I have a 25 year old brother who doesn't even have his license. The cybercab production line has already produced at least a hundred cars, with volume production starting in a couple weeks. If less normal cars are not needed and not made, the price will have to go up, as economies of scale come into play. It's not a pipe dream, it's already in motion. I'd say in 5 years, we'll be looking at a totally different landscape.Yes, I'm aware of individual cases, but I'm talking about the 80%+ of Americans, that live in the metro areas | |||
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If they're so good, why have you bought SIX of them in only 8 years??? | |||
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^^^Exactly what I was thinking! Maybe he just has more money than he knows what to do with to spend on cars. | |||
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If people fall for marketing it’s on them. Marketing has never been a thing for me in this space or any other and it’s not an excuse for anyone either. Nobody held guns to buyers heads and said “must purchase EV”. The government didn’t do that either. But the narrative was spun, and it literally spun out of control. Because we live in a narrative > facts world. Look at this very thread where you have a member being extremely rude to other members. Why? Because they are living their life just a hair differently, purchasing a different consumer product with their own money. We voted for Trump, and the Federal Tax incentives for EV’s are gone. Most of us, including EV owners, are just fine with this. So what’s up with all the outrage? It’s inanimate object that people have over-politicized. If it doesn’t work for you don’t buy it. Instead you want to bitch and moan about it repeatedly? Something where there is no requirement to purchase? Hey I can’t stand CUV’s. I detest them. They took over the market, dominating sales. Which in turn, canceled hatchbacks, sedans, coupes, etc. Well even though I don’t like that I’m not going to waste my time bitching about it incessantly like some 12 year old girl who just found out all the Taylor Swift concert tickets are sold out. Marketing is, and has always been, pure manure. A company tries to sell you on feelings and what not. They show you some mountain, an obscure camping spot. You drive on some gravel road in your CUV and roast weenies with your family and it’s “epic”. In reality few are going to go to the trouble to do so as it’s bullshit. But that is marketing in a nutshell, a bunch of bullshit, to trick you to buy something. The reality is many vehicles are world vehicles, to be sold to many countries. So the rest of the world does have an influence on what we get in the USDM, and what we don’t. Honda, were way behind in this space, and so was every other manu compared to Tesla. They got their asses handed to them. An upstart company came along and laid the smack down. Some companies, such as Nissan, said hey we better invest in this space and make a small commuter EV. Even Toyota is making an EV now. This all out blitz bs, with manus losing billions, was American manus. The Japanese have been very conservative in this space and this is nothing new. They’ve been like this for decades. Very careful with their product planning etc. American companies ran head first trying to bust Elon’s ass, and made mistakes, and failed. Nobody ever forced anything on anyone. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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You were able let those few words I posted squirm around in your head and come up with all of this? I'm truly impressed. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell | |||
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What makes anyone think that the reason was a defect, or something wrong with the Tesla vehicles he bought. Perhaps he does 12 month single pay leases, or likes to have a new car every year. Could be he bought or leased one for himself, then one for the wife, another for a kid, or for several employees as work vehicles, and if leased them for a couple of years then got new ones. If so, then it's a glowing endorsement of Tesla's, buying more than one. Some people can afford to do this easily and trade up every year, it's pretty common, especially in the luxury or exotic markets. | |||
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All three Teslas we sold or traded on new ones were owned free and clear. Also, because the revised models they were replaced with were all Gen 2's with LOTS of upgrades (the 2025 Model 3 Dual Motor specifically was upgraded due to renewal of the federal tax credit, 0% financing and our kid needing AWD for her new location at college in the mountains); #1 upgrade - First gen Model 3 RWD owned for seven years and 52k miles for a 2026 Model 3 Performance. Only needed one set of tires and new lower control arms for a total of $3k in "maintenance" and consumables over that time. The original car had lowering springs which caused the failed control arms (Tesla upgraded the design over time to more durable ones). Covered almost half the cost of the new one on trade-in. Besides; who doesn't want 0-60 in 2.9 seconds and color shifting Purple Rain wrap?  #2 upgrade - 2021 Model X Long Range Premium traded in against a revised and leftover $10k off 2024 Model X Dual Motor with revised interior, more efficient motors and 50% power increase and 50% reduction in charge time and unlimited free Supercharging. Note the 2021 was the early 2016 architecture and bought CPO and owned free and clear and knocked 40% off the top on trade of a discounted unsold last year model.  #3 upgrade - first-gen Model 3 base model RWD with 30k miles for 2025 Highland Dual Motor; 0% financing and $7500 off with the renewed federal tax credit (thank you Trump and the BBB). Original car was owned free/clear so covered over half the cost of the new one on trade-in. Each change from three first-gen Tesla's to the newer architecture had financial benefits in doing so, reset warranty and mileage. Not to mentioned much improved designs over time (early ones felt pretty plain...refreshed models all went upmarket and have more premium interiors). | |||
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Those are some nice urban vehicles. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell | |||
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we live in horse country | |||
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Try moving where charging stations are few and far between . That would be most of the rural U.S.. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell | |||
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We drove my brother's Audi E-Tron from Scottsdale to Sedona, AZ and back. No issues with charging....all rural between the cities and lots of miles between. But yes, not ideal for everybody. I wanted a Model S back in 2013 but the charging network wasn't there yet so took many years until I felt comfortable giving up my dino-burning daily driver. Still, I had to drive from VA to AL back in August for work and rented something; no reason to run the miles up on mine and stopping for charging adds time no matter what anybody says. | |||
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