Oh brother pre. Your experience somehow trumps mine? Maybe to you it does but in reality, experiences, like opinions vary.

I’m sorry you have experienced large maintenance costs. I never have. In fact I find modern cars nearly unbreakable compared to the junk I drove around as a kid. A ratty Datsun B210 jumps to the forefront of my mind lol. What a heap of dog crap was that car.

If you don’t want to hear my experiences that’s fine but you don’t get to tell me mine are less relevant than yours. It’s just an opinion man.

The boss told me not to be rude. Have I been rude? No I have not.

V tail, I took the Brightline from West Palm back to MCO where my car was. It was quick, clean, not badly priced, and they sold me a pretty good box lunch for a not unreasonable price. I’m a fan.

It’s a discussion board. The boss told me not to be rude. I haven’t been. If we all agree on everything this thread would be 3 posts. We don’t, which is ok. The OP didn’t only ask opinions of guys who love EV. It was pretty much open to all to discuss. Hence I discuss. Start a Russian steel cased ammo thread and I probably can’t resist that one either. I’m weak.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
The longest I’ve personally ever owned a car is 12 and 14 years then a bunch at the 8-10 year mark. Fords, Toyotas, Honda, Subaru, and one Chrysler. Maybe I’ve been lucky but I’ve never had a transmission fail. Even the dreaded CVT lol.

Same. With the exception of my first beater car (it finally died), my cars, all Hondas and Toyotas, never had repair work, just oil changes, tune ups, tires and brakes, some timing belts/fan belts. No engine, transmission work, etc. All of my cars I drove for more than 12 years each, my current Tacoma I bought new in early 2010 and I still drive it daily, no repairs done to it. And same with my wife's cars. I have a 2022 Miata in addition to my truck, runs like a clock.

Now my dad on the other hand. I drove a 1967 Mercury station wagon to high school my senior year. It was a toss up which of us was older.

He kept that car for another probably 20+ years. I shit you not it dropped an axle on the I-880 and hand on a Bible he got it fixed and kept it for many more years. lol

I have told this many times but it makes me chuckle so I will say it again. Whenever one of my 4 kids complained about a car I always asked them, “do you know what we considered a good car when we were your age?” “A good car started MOST of the time”.

It would be nice not to deal with oil changes though. I could live without those. Maybe I am an EV guy at heart. lol

I still don't see how people in cold weather climates can own an EV. Especially if it's your only vehicle.

Case in point. My kids and I have IKON ski passes. The mountain we visit most is Winter Park/Mary Jane in Colorado. It's about 60 miles each way. Now, I'm a bit of a "powder snob" and we usually only go if there's at least 4" - 6" of fresh snow. Mary Jane received about 5" of powder Saturday night, and it was very cold. I left my house at 5:30 AM and it was 14 degrees outside. With traffic it took us about 2 hours to get to the Mary Jane parking lot. It was 10 degrees at the Mary Jane parking lot. It dipped down to about 5 degrees going over Berthoud pass (US Hwy 40). When we left at 2:00 PM the temperature in the MJ parkign lot was 12 degrees. It was a little bit of cold day on the slopes.

According to the Tesla site there's exactly 1 Tesla Super Charger between my house and Mary Jane in Idaho Springs, CO.

I posted back on page 1 when we went to Crested Butte ski resort 2 years ago, my friend couldn't make it 1 way in the cold. He had to stop for 45 minutes or so to charge.

I'm not sure I'd be comfortable going 120 miles round trip, plus the potential for a delay due to road conditions.

I sure would have range anxiety trying to make this round trip in 10 degree weather. I live just a few miles from the Super Charger in Aspen Park. The yellow station in the town of Winter Park is a "proposed" location, and not built. The town of Winter Park is about 5 miles or so past Mary Jane.

My 2010 Tahoe LTZ made the trip in just under 1/2 a tank round trip. Climate control set to 74 and 3 seat heaters on. I bought my Tahoe in 2015 or so with 97,000 miles on it for $17k. It's been rock solid. I changed front & rear diff fluid, transfer case, transmission fluid, Antifreeze coolant, serpentine belt and spark plugs when I got it. Oil every 5k. I do need to do all the fluids again as it's at 170,000 miles now. 1 set of front brake pads. I think that's it.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
For those that own electric vehicles, what was your reason for buying one?

I love the Tesla story, how they have innovated and disrupted several industries.They have so much going on for the future as well. I spent the last several years buying the stock and now it was time to support them by purchasing a car. I guess you could call me a car guy, i started repairing autos at a dealership in my 20s and i believe we are past the golden years for reliability and quality, and I don't want anything to do with the modern legacy car manufacturers.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
But does the rest of the world own cars on anything like the scale we do in the US? Just in terms of distance most of the world will never drive the amount and distance that the average American does. It’s not even apples to oranges. If I lived in Denmark I would probably embrace the EV as the perfect solution. In Florida with kids six and a half hours away, not so much. The rest of the world has also embraced trains on a massive scale. Here? I took the Brightline to Orlando recently. Clean, quick, and they lose money every year.

It isn’t a safe bet trying to import many of the world’s ideas here in the states. They don’t or won’t work. EV usage worldwide means next to nothing here.

I was replying to the OP’s thread title despite his body copy being focused in the U.S. For the record it’s not going to die anywhere. The latest reports show the EV sector has the highest repeat customers of any at 96% would consider an EV again.


“EV owner satisfaction reaches an all-time high
If you’ve driven an electric vehicle, you know the feeling. After experiencing the nearly silent ride, instant acceleration, and zero tailpipe emissions (you know, on those nice sunny days when you want the windows down), it’s hard to go back to a regular gas-powered car.

According to the JD Power 2026 US Electric Vehicle Experience (EVX) Ownership Study, almost every single EV owner would consider buying or leasing another EV as their next vehicle.



Once you go EV, you don't go back: Study finds 96% of owners plan to stay electric.”

EV’s won’t dies as long as the HB1 Asians and Indians are pouring into the country.

The question then becomes can 96% of repeat customers of 6% of the total market keep the EV manufacturers in business?

That math is a losing poker hand right there. If the big battery breakthrough combines with better charging networks and some other stuff, then maybe?

I also think that 96% number is influenced by the fact that, and I mean this with no disrespect, EV people as demonstrated on many pages tend to be true believers. I mean I love my Subarus but I could quit them at the drop of a hat and go Honda or Toyota maybe. EV people tend to be really engaged in the success of the sector leading to that very high percentage.

Teslas don’t have to use Tesla chargers only.

They have adapters where you can use DCFC chargers and vice versa.

Soon all EV’s will have the NACS = North American charging standard port, which is Tesla charging port.

I absolutely agree that EV’s suck in cold weather.

C’mon, give us a picture. You know I want one and you know you want to post one. C’mon. lol

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
C’mon, give us a picture. You know I want one and you know you want to post one. C’mon. lol

If you insist

Got the Mach washed today.

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Originally posted by JR78:
EV’s won’t dies as long as the HB1 Asians and Indians are pouring into the country.

here's something we ALL can agree on.

Was just remarking to a friend today that "every time there's a Tesla riding the left lane with nobody around, it's a white Model Y with an H1B visa person not driving and talking on the phone)

Click the image and it will play, first use of FSD on a Tesla Y demo ride, wife in the back, me up front.

Plugged in an address and off it went, pulled up to a busy intersection on a 4 lane from a side street, stopped properly (better than most ICE Drivers at stop signs LoL) waiting for clear in traffic and pulled out. Drove us all the way without issue.

As to the 96%, I might go to another EV, or not, depends on range and pricing as well as improvements in tech, which I'm sure are on the horizon.

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Originally posted by 1967Goat:
I still don't see how people in cold weather climates can own an EV. Especially if it's your only vehicle.

I remember hearing some stories a while back about buses and poor performance, especially in colder climates. This is what google upchucked.

"Electric bus deployments in several North American cities have faced significant operational failures, with vehicles frequently sidelined due to poor cold-weather performance, limited range, and, in some cases, catastrophic battery fires. Key issues include charging failures below 41°F, high costs, and manufacturer bankruptcies, leading to reliance on diesel backups."

From Fox News.

Arctic blast fuels scrutiny of Biden’s $8B electric bus push as watchdogs cite oversight failures

https://www.foxnews.com/politi...e-oversight-failures


Electric buses seemed like the perfect application. Predictable routes and operating hours and no searching for charging stations.

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Originally posted by PR64:
If you insist

Got the Mach washed today.

The aircraft carrier in the background is an exceptionally cool photo. Well done!

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Fender. I don’t give a shit about globally. You ever been global? I have. Not much in common about Europe and Asia and the US. If you’ve been then you know. If you haven’t you say dumb shit like “well it works in Norway” like that somehow makes fucking sense.

Are the best selling cars or trucks in America EV? No? Fucking shocking I say.

Plus it gets ridiculous listening to you guys reinvent directions. In pretty much all of history you looked at a map and chose the shortest distance and called it good. Now you guys say “well I looked up the destination and let the computer pick a route based on chargers”. Please for the love of all that’s good and holy tell me you understand how ridiculous that sounds when you say it like it’s a good thing. Kind of like the constant mantra that you actually WANT to stop for long enough to have a meal.

Fuck. Who are you people? I stop long enough to fill up, piss, and maybe pick up a slim Jim and an Icee. The rationalizations get old. lol

They sold more Electric cars in China, than total car sales in the US last year.

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Originally posted by PGT:
Roughly break-even with gas (but of course lower/no maintenance costs)

You conveniently forgot the fact that Teslas spend about 3x as much as their ICE counterparts in tire costs... for some reason all the EV proponents forget to mention that when talking about their super low maintenance costs. Also, don't forget that EVs are around 50-100% more costly to insure.

I had Gemini AI expand on WingedMedic's points and compare competitive vehicles:

Tesla Model S (i.e. all-wheel drive full electric luxury)

BMW 550e x-drive (i.e. all-wheel drive plug-in hybrid electric luxury)

and these were the 5 year projected economics:

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DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
The question then becomes can 96% of repeat customers of 6% of the total market keep the EV manufacturers in business?

That math is a losing poker hand right there. If the big battery breakthrough combines with better charging networks and some other stuff, then maybe?

I also think that 96% number is influenced by the fact that, and I mean this with no disrespect, EV people as demonstrated on many pages tend to be true believers. I mean I love my Subarus but I could quit them at the drop of a hat and go Honda or Toyota maybe. EV people tend to be really engaged in the success of the sector leading to that very high percentage.

Would you ever think that there’s a shred of possibility that they decided to try one, maybe even begrudgingly and ended up loving it. There’s a possibility that someone who has actually experienced one for a significant amount of time might actually have a more informed opinion than someone that clearly hasn’t. I know, very strange. Before you get too excited these are my cars.

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Originally posted by JR78:
EV’s won’t dies as long as the HB1 Asians and Indians are pouring into the country.

Ohh lord. That has nothing to do with EVs. Also it's H1-B Visas and the are sponsored by an employer and paid prevailing wages. This is the space I've worked in for 20+ years.