We need more like Gaetz

Gaetz said on one of the Sunday shows that either McCarthy will be removed, or he will be reelected because the Democrats voted to support him. The exact opposite happened. McCarthy was removed because Gaetz and his friends chose to vote WITH THE DEMOCRATS and against the wishes of 96% of the Republicans. So no, I don't think we need more idiots like Gaetz who are more than willing to hurt the Republicans and support Democrats, and for what?

BLUF: Election promises have consequences.

IMHO, the "big picture" here is that any one of "them" can be replaced, independent of the voters.

Regardless of party, we need legislators that put country and constituents over self, which hasn't been the case for a long time.

God Bless the USA.

Folks seem to have very different ideas about how this will work out, and accordingly different opinions on which is the right approach. I couldn’t rent respect for Kevin McCarthy and am happy (at the moment) that he has lost the speakership. I don’t know how things will work out. It may well be that I’ll be much less satisfied with the end result of tossing him out than I am with having him gone. It is very possible that some Republican members took their best look at the future and felt that removing McCarty wouldn’t be good for the Country or the party. It could be that they are swampy RINOs. I don’t know, but I doubt that a one size fits all explanation can describe all the Republicans that voted against the ouster. Time will tell whether the folks singing “Ding dong the witch is gone” or the folks saying “You done messed up A-A-Ron” has it right. It is hard for me to get excited about it now. I’ll wait and see what happens.

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Originally posted by Fed161:
Gaetz said on one of the Sunday shows that either McCarthy will be removed, or he will be reelected because the Democrats voted to support him. The exact opposite happened. McCarthy was removed because Gaetz and his friends chose to vote WITH THE DEMOCRATS and against the wishes of 96% of the Republicans. So no, I don't think we need more idiots like Gaetz who are more than willing to hurt the Republicans and support Democrats, and for what?

That's your perspective.

From my view point, the Dems voted with Gaetz. And 96% of the repubs were ok with the business as usual tearing down of our country.

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The short brief didn’t go into detail describing the allegations but listed several of them, which included: Sharing inappropriate images or videos on the House floor. Misusing state identification records. Converting campaign funds to personal use and/or accepting a bribe. improper gratuity or impermissible gift.

Here's the reality. We have so many laws in this country that the vast majority of us are in violation of several of them at any given time. Makes is very easy to then target somebody should they ever upset the wrong people.

Is that what you're suggesting? That we should be able to investigate "trouble makers" in order to find those lists of things they can be charged with in order to chill any other potential "trouble makers" into falling in line?

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McCarthy was removed because Gaetz and his friends chose to vote WITH THE DEMOCRATS and against the wishes of 96% of the Republicans.

Negative. McCarthy was removed via a process he agreed to due because he failed to live up to other agreements. Some of you guys have very short memories.

The left picks an objective, bands together, and accomplishes it. Those on the right have the same basic beliefs, but argue about how to get there, and gets outplayed by the left the majority of the time. The going along to get along has to stop. The fighting over nonsense has to stop. You make a deal, you fulfil your end, and you move the country forward.

I see this very clearly at the local level where we have two groups of Republicans that each point at the other while claiming each isn't the "real republicans" instead of getting along and focusing on the party platform.

Focusing on republicans vs democrats is a trap. The letter beside the candidates name means nothing. It is difficult to come up with words negative enough to describe most people who choose to run for national office. It may be that our selection process is so fundamentally flawed that mostly self enriching, pathological liars are the only people that can get elected. The federal government is little more than a cancer that is killing the country. It is not the only cancer the country faces, and it is not benign.

I saw a bit of his Q&A. Didn't seem upset and didn't deny anything. He had a kind of Romney-esque air about him, which suggests a plan going forward of being a thorn in the side of Congressional opponents of his own party.

Dems voted with Dems for Dem reasons. Gaetz did not have the same reasons for voting McCarthy out as the Dems did.

Do not confuse voting the same way as having the same ultimate goals.

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Originally posted by slosig:
I couldn’t rent respect for Kevin McCarthy and am happy (at the moment) that he has lost the speakership. I don’t know how things will work out.

Same. No doubt, McCarthy betrayed his promises and was colluding with Dems in order to try to get shit done. Me, I would have not gotten shit done if it was just more bullshit for the American public. But it is very clear the House Republicans are severely fractured, a point Trump made yesterday, who also was careful not to side with either McCarthy or Gaetz, both people he respects. It is a given that no matter who becomes Speaker, nothing will get done because nobody that is willing to take the gig will unite the Freedom Caucus and other conservatives with the RINOs. And I'm fine with that, rather than let watered down spending bills reach the Democrat Senate designed to pass. It will be very interesting who gets the speakership, seems guys like Jordan, Donalds and others do not want the gig. And these conservative guys did not vote to oust McCarthy, does that make them unqualified even if they want to? And Trump certainly will refuse it, he has already said so, plus he's got too much on his plate running for POTUS and his legal battles. Interesting times.

A conservative (not a Republican) take on Kevin McCarthy’s ouster

Republicans are in mourning: Matt Gaetz, the irresponsible renegade with the pointed chin, has ousted Kevin McCarthy, and America is racing to Armageddon. There’s a possibility the Republicans are right. After all, Democrats helped push McCarthy out, which can mean only nefarious things. However, there’s also a chance that they’re very, very wrong and that this is the kick in the pants Republicans need to understand that they had better start choosing America over “collegiality,” which means globalism.

To appreciate what I’m going to write, you must know where I’m coming from: I am a registered Republican because we have a two-party system, and the Republican party is not the Democrat party. That doesn’t mean I like Republicans.

I once was a registered Democrat. I believed in the party's goals: a thriving economy benefitting all, racial harmony, equal rights for women, and support for Israel, the only liberal democracy in the Middle East. I abandoned the Democrat party when I realized that its true goals (once unspoken, now in the open) were to break the economy, balkanize us along racial lines, destroy men, destroy Israel and, as an added bonus, destroy families and children. I deeply dislike Democrats.

The Republican party was the only real option, but it’s long been undeserving of respect. Republican party practices never achieve the goals it currently espouses, such as a thriving economy benefitting all, racial harmony, strong families, children safe from predators, a real border, and an end to foreign wars that don’t benefit America in the short or long term. Instead—and you’ve probably noticed this—when push comes to shove, just enough Republicans invariably collapse in spineless heaps to hand victory to the Democrats (and to China, naturally).

Moreover—and you surely noticed this, too—when a man came along who promised to build that economy, build the wall, tear down racial barriers, protect children from predators, and stop abortion, some Republicans fought him as aggressively as the Democrats did, while others passively stood down. If it hadn’t been for Republican pushback and passivity, Trump would have been the most successful two-term president in American history, revitalizing the economy, ending Obamacare, sealing the border to all but legal immigrants or true refugees, stopping the LGBTQ+ takeover of American schools, cowing geopolitical enemies, etc.

And yes, I know Trump didn’t campaign to end extreme LGBTQ+ ideologies or keep cities safe from crime but, if he’d been as overwhelming a force as he should have been, none of the chaos and perversion now in play would have happened. That he wasn’t the force he should have been was because of the Republican party.

The Republican party—the Vichy party in American politics—owes its loyalty to D.C., to corporations, and to global interests, not to ordinary Americans. Nothing more clearly shows this than the battle over Obamacare. Sundance has a detailed summary, which I urge you to read, but I’ll do the short version.

Americans did not want Obamacare, but the Democrats controlling D.C. following Obama’s election forced it through anyway. In 2010, Republicans campaigned on the promise to repeal Obamacare. Voters gave them Congress…and Republicans didn’t even pass a bill. In 2012, the cycle repeated. In 2014, the cycle repeated. In 2016, the cycle repeated. It’s true that Obama would have vetoed a bill repealing Obamacare, but the point is that Republicans didn’t even bother to make a symbolic vote, forcing Obama to veto it.

On issue after issue, Republicans never try. Part of it is because, unlike the monolith that is leftism (although that monolith is fragmenting as special interest groups turn on each other in the quest for political spoils), individual Republicans represent a spectrum of political ideas. But part of it is because, as I said, the Republican party itself is not loyal to Americans. Between the one and the other, Republicans will always bail on voters:

No wonder that conservatives believe that Kevin McCarthy wasn’t there for America but was, instead, there for the Vichy class that sides with the leftist, globalist, anti-family, anti-child agenda:

The old saying says, “Be careful what you wish for; you might get it.” Democrats joined with Matt Gaetz to oust McCarthy because they expect chaos and dysfunction that voters will blame on Republicans, tarnishing the brand. Conservatives joined with Gaetz because they believe that new leadership will infuse spine and unity into Republicans. Given that unifying Republicans is like herding cats—angry cats, passive cats, greedy cats, and stupid cats—this is a tall order.

As for me, I devoutly hope that it’s the Democrats, not the conservatives, who, having gotten their wish, live to regret it.

UPDATE: I barely post this, and an interesting tweet comes across my desk, showing the anger conservatives feel about the Republican party and its operatives:

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg...ccarthys_ouster.html



Also, as always, Don Surber has wise insights about what happened, including bringing the receipts about the Republican class being angry about what happened, even as Americans know that the weak sisters must go if this country is to be saved.

One more recommended post: Daniel Greenfield writes that Republicans no longer remember their mission.

https://www.americanthinker.co...ccarthys_ouster.html

Looks like Jim Jordan threw in his name for the Speakers Position.

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Originally posted by oddball:
It will be very interesting who gets the speakership, seems guys like Jordan, Donalds and others do not want the gig.

Sometimes you've got to stand up and do what's best for the country whether you want to or not. Is that not why we send them there?

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Looks like Jim Jordan threw in his name for the Speakers position.

Great. He seems to be a stand-up guy who can get things done, while having support from all. This could (and should) be a quick process. No need to wait until next week, have the vote this afternoon and be done with it. Problem solved.

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This could (and should) be a quick process. No need to wait until next week, have the vote this afternoon and be done with it. Problem solved.

When to hold the vote will be up to Interim Speaker Patrick McHenry.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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This could (and should) be a quick process. No need to wait until next week, have the vote this afternoon and be done with it. Problem solved.

When to hold the vote will be up to Interim Speaker Patrick McHenry.

Which, like it or not, has already scheduled it for next Wednesday.

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Originally posted by 71 TRUCK:
Looks like Jim Jordan threw in his name for the Speakers Position.

That is great news. He was one of McCarthy's biggest defenders yesterday, but he is also one of the prominent Freedom Caucus members. And he is one of my go-to House members. Hopefully if he takes the job, that he will get 218 votes with little fuss, and maybe heal some of the ill will in the House.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
A conservative take on Kevin McCarthy’s ouster

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^^^ Agree with article.

I am seeing much of the media (both L+R) describing the ouster event as Gaetz the mad renegade disrupting the proceedings for personal gain or reasons.

However, when I listen to him speak, I hear nothing but the absolute best reasons to justify the actions.

Initially, I always thought that McCarthy was just OK albeit not as bad as our previous Rep Speakers.
THAT was obviously an insufficient display of mediocrity.
On the surface I get the notion of such a small number of people causing so much disruption and using the "enemy" to complete the task.
But when we have a massive history of capitulation and compromise in the Rep Party.

If not now, then when will we get back to basics and live up to the promises that previously always came but never happened .... until we had President Trump.

So ultimately, I am in support despite the risks of us screwing it up worse and will in the meantime take a lot of shrapnel of criticism.
Let's move on, stay the course and live up to the real God given Conservative principles.....

We have become so calloused at the poor behavior and ethics of our congressmen that some of you have become jaded to the point of not understanding something as simple as he didn’t hold up his end of the bargain.

He lied. His feet were held to the fire. Supporting shitty leadership has gotten us to where we are.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Supporting shitty leadership has gotten us to where we are.

Nailed it IMO.

Republicans are dysfunctional and can never get their shit together. Never have.

Going into the 2018 mid-teem elections, they controlled the WH, Senate and House. The fucking trifecta and they couldn't get shit done and look what happened. They don't get the big picture opportunities and what to do with it.

Yesterday's Democrat support to vote out McCarthy didn't come from their disdain or contempt of him. Not at all. They vote as a block on most things and saw the opportunity to create Republican chaos. They won't support the new speaker and will continue to oppose most everything out forth.

McCarthy was too rhino but the alternative is going to do what? I never saw a Plan B in ousting McCarthy and there isn't one today. Dysfunction continues.