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The surprises that there were only nine Republicans who wanted to hold McCarthy to his commitments.

Right.

Good on Gaetz for making the difficult choice to stand nearly alone against the horde of RINO's

I like him more, and more.

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
I know my opinion isn't popular here among the burn it down crowd, but what, exactly, is the plan?

Your question assumes that this was about governing the country, and I don’t think it is at all. Congress stopped legislating in any meaningful way at least a decade ago, preferring to stake out extreme positions that have no real hope of becoming policy then screaming for more power when they fail. This is just another manifestation of that philosophy, which gets people money and votes but does nothing whatsoever for the country. It’s theater.

Am I annoyed that the House compromised to avoid a shutdown? Not really - the Democrat party controls the Senate and the White House so there is literally no way to keep the country functioning without compromise. We need a Congress filled with CEOs who treat the country like a business, not faux ideologues who spew rhetoric, accomplish nothing, and get rich while the country crumbles. Unfortunately, business minded candidates have no chance of getting elected in this climate.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg.../1709353769824362829

Interim Speaker Patrick McHenry aggressively slams the gavel as he and 200+ other Republicans fume over Kevin McCarthy’s ousting.

Where was this anger as millions of migrants poured over the southern border?

Where was this anger as US debt rises over $33T?

Where was this anger when the FBI rounded up Trump supporters and threw them in prison?

Where is this anger as the “justice” system tries to take out Biden’s top opponent in 2024?

They sit back and do nothing as our country burns but fume when their buddy loses his Speaker role.



— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) October 3, 2023

INDEED!

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
The vote to vacate was 216 to 210 with 100% of the dems voting with Gaetz and his clique. He used the dems to get his way.

Of course the Dems would all vote to vacate as would all Republicans vote to vacate a democrat speaker. I would hope…

The surprise is that there were only nine Republicans who wanted to hold McCarthy to his commitments.

Yup, it's a given. To think otherwise is foolish.. Calling Gaetz using the Dems to accomplish his goal is just ridiculous. McCarthy thought all this time that he could bully those reps who want to hold him accountable for the broken promises he made with them back in January, that he could count on his "reach-across-the-aisle" Dem buddies to save his Speakership. He gambled and lost on both.

About the not-too-many-on-the-GOP-side-voted-to-eject-McCarthy, my thinking is, there are a lot more of them who wanted McCarthy out but were just afraid to be ridiculed and labeled traitors, or "idiots". They saw that Gaetz had enough of the GOP votes with him, so they played it safe and fell in the party line.

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Originally posted by 12131:
About the not-too-many-on-the-GOP-side-voted-to-eject-McCarthy, my thinking is, there are a lot more of them who wanted McCarthy out but were just afraid to be ridiculed and labeled traitors, or "idiots". They saw that Gaetz had enough of the GOP votes with him, so they played it safe and fell in the party line.

Which is worse? Milquetoast wimps or RINOs?

Frankly both disgust me.
One group can't stand by their convictions too worried about fallout.
The others are disingenuous deceivers.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by bald1:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I'm in a shipyard currently, working 16 hour d
I didn't think McCarthy wasn't doing too bad a job as Speaker, which was a pleasant surprise, so why the hell did they just kick him out?

He was viewed as an untrustworthy, deceitful lying RINO.

Ok great. Doesn't anyone have a real answer to my question?

Gaetz addresses the numerous reasons for his Motion to Vacate in this video:

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Originally posted by bald1:
Which is worse? Milquetoast wimps or RINOs?

Frankly both disgust me.
One group can't stand by their convictions too worried about fallout.
The others are disingenuous deceivers.

Yes, of course. I was just coming up with a possible explanation as to why only a few were brave enough to do the right thing.

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Originally posted by 12131:
About the not-too-many-on-the-GOP-side-voted-to-eject-McCarthy, my thinking is, there are a lot more of them who wanted McCarthy out but were just afraid to be ridiculed and labeled traitors, or "idiots". They saw that Gaetz had enough of the GOP votes with him, so they played it safe and fell in the party line.

Or, they knew that this would derail everything they were working towards.

Things are looking up, already.

Nancy Pelosi evicted from her private office in the Capitol by interim House speaker

By Houston Keene | Fox News
Published October 3, 2023 10:10pm EDT

Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., was evicted from her private Capitol office by the new speaker pro-tempore.

Fox News Digital confirmed that House Speaker pro-tempore Patrick McHenry, R-N.C., gave the order to Pelosi to vacate her Capitol hideaway by Wednesday.

McHenry is a close ally to now-former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., who was ousted from his role on Tuesday.

McHenry's eviction order was one of the congressman's first acts as the top House lawmaker.

Pelosi was notified of the eviction, first reported by Politico, in an email.

The email said the former speaker's hideaway was being reassigned "for speaker office use."

"Please vacate the space tomorrow, the room will be re-keyed," the email read.

Pelosi moved out of her hideaway on Tuesday, with help from the staff of House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., according to a spokesperson for the former speaker.

Capitol hideaways are a mainstay in the Senate, but are a luxury only afforded to a select few House members.

"With all of the important decisions that the new Republican Leadership must address, which we are all eagerly awaiting, one of the first actions taken by the new Speaker Pro Tempore was to order me to immediately vacate my office in the Capitol," Pelosi said in a statement.

"Sadly, because I am in California to mourn the loss of and pay tribute to my dear friend Dianne Feinstein, I am unable to retrieve my belongings at this time," the former speaker continued.

"This eviction is a sharp departure from tradition," Pelosi said. "As Speaker, I gave former Speaker [Dennis] Hastert a significantly larger suite of offices for as long as he wished."

The former speaker said office space doesn't matter to her, "but it seems to be important to them."

"Now that the new Republican Leadership has settled this important matter, let's hope they get back to work on what's truly important for the American people," she concluded.

Pelosi's eviction comes after McCarthy was ousted by his seat in a motion to vacate.

Eight House Republicans led by Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida voted with the entirety of the House Democrats to remove McCarthy from the speakership. Pelosi did not vote because since she was in California after accompanying the late Senator Feinstein's remains for burial.

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Giving a large suite to an admitted child molester is not something you should brag about, Nancy.

“I am voting against this motion because I disagree with the tactical play call. I do not believe that you pull the coach at the beginning of the fourth quarter, which is where we currently stand,”

-Chip Roy

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They sit back and do nothing as our country burns but fume when their buddy loses his Speaker role.

Exactly

I believe this kinda highlights why DJT refers to it as the swamp.

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Good on Gaetz for making the difficult choice to stand nearly alone against the horde of RINO's
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Ninety-six percent of the Republicans voted for McCarthy, 4 percent voted against him. So I guess you are saying that 96 percent of all Republicans are the dreaded RINOs.

"From my position as a longtime Republican activist, they’re traitors,” - Newt Gingrich on Hannity.

Gaetz is currently the subject of an ethics probe and faces the possibility of expulsion. Charges include sex trafficking and spending campaign donations for personal use. You won't see it in print, but the speculation is that as the ethics probe proceeds and gets more notice in the news media, Gaetz wants to use this to portray himself as a victim of a "witch hunt."

https://news.yahoo.com/gaetz-c...-over-183809373.html

I still think we need to send every member of congress steel toed boots. If they get stepped on, it won't hurt so much and they can kick the can further down the road.

Gaetz is currently the subject of an ethics probe and faces the possibility of expulsion. Charges include sex trafficking and spending campaign donations for personal use. You won't see it in print, but the speculation is that as the ethics probe proceeds and gets more notice in the news media, Gaetz wants to use this to portray himself as a victim of a "witch hunt."

https://news.yahoo.com/gaetz-c...-over-183809373.html[/QUOTE]

But But But...it's the seriousness of the charge

Yahoo News - Now there is an unbiased source - PPFFFTTT

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The Florida Republican has consistently denied those claims, and a Justice Department investigation into the congressman’s sex trafficking allegations ended without charges in February.

For the first time in American history, the Speaker of the House was removed yesterday after House Democrats unaccountably and ironically joined House Freedom Caucus Republicans to effect the vote.

It was a twofer. In his first official act, interim Speaker Patrick McHenry (R-NC) ordered Nancy Pelosi (D-Ca.) to vacate the physical office of the Speaker immediately after McCarthy’s ouster. McCarthy had been too chicken to do it.

Presumably Pelosi’s former office will also get a deep cleaning.

I called the democrats’ participation “ironic” because one of the Freedom Caucus Republicans’ complaints about McCarthy was that he’d just used democrat support to get a budget deal passed over the weekend. Now the Freedom Caucus worked with democrats to remove the Speaker for working with democrats. What can I tell you? Politics makes strange bedfellows. Or, it was bipartisanship. You pick.

Of course, at bottom, McCarthy is now gone because he was clinging to sending more money to help Ukraine defend its borders.

Kevin McCarthy’s historic removal began after Matt Gaetz (R-Fl.) filed a motion this weekend to remove him, arguing cogently and forcefully that McCarthy broke several parts of the agreement they’d made when agreeing to help elect him in the first place. Part of that agreement allowed any Republican member to ask for a vote to remove McCarthy if he broke the deal, and that’s exactly what Matt Gaetz did.

Establishment Republicans called Gaetz a chaos agent. Newt Gingrich called Gaetz and the seven other Freedom Caucus Republicans who joined the vote “traitors.” But Gaetz rose to the occasion and honestly delivered some of the best speeches I’ve heard in Congress in a very long time. Gaetz is really developing into a serious, significant statesman.

In one impassioned clip yesterday, among other things, Gaetz eloquently explained he has reached his limit on the ballooning national debt:

I don’t feel pressure from conservatives or Democrats. I feel the judgment of history. I worry that when the history books are written about this country going down, that my name is going to be on the Board of Directors here.

And if this country is going down, and we’re losing the dollar, I am going down fighting. I don't care if that means fighting Republicans, Democrats, the uniparty, House leadership, the PACs, or the lobbyists.
I've had it.

CLIP: Matt Gaetz, unleashed (1:51). **Warning: one f-bomb.
https://twitter.com/JusTradez/.../1709232615746646494

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com...ack&utm_medium=email

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Newt Gingrich called Gaetz and the seven other Freedom Caucus Republicans who joined the vote “traitors.”

I saw that last night. I've lost all respect for a man that I've agreed with and supported since the 80s.

Traitors, Newt? No, it's your uniparty buddies who have betrayed their oaths, their constituents, and their country for decades. THEY are why we are where we are.

These eight have simply had enough and are motivated to save this country rather than continuing to drive it into the ground.

Fuck you Newt.

Damn I hate being angry this early in the morning.

First, Trump disturbed the swamp, and they've been going at him, it seems like for an eternity.

Now, Gaetz is doing the same, and they're trying to take him down.

What a surprise, huh?

The Florida Republican has consistently denied those claims, and a Justice Department investigation into the congressman’s sex trafficking allegations ended without charges in February.[/QUOTE]

You are correct that the Justice Dept chose not to prosecute. That's because the married Gaetz was having sex with a 17 year old and the age of consent was not an issue. The campaign funds for personal use issue remains open, both with the Justice Dept and the ethics committee. Additionally, there are other charges.

The House Committee on Ethics released a statement on April 9, 2021, announcing its investigation into several allegations against Gaetz.

The short brief didn’t go into detail describing the allegations but listed several of them, which included: Sharing inappropriate images or videos on the House floor. Misusing state identification records. Converting campaign funds to personal use and/or accepting a bribe. improper gratuity or impermissible gift.

This is from the Pensacola News Journal, hardly a liberal rag: https://www.pnj.com/story/news...members/71032948007/