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Originally posted by sjtill:
Debunked yet again.

"Unsupported claims"

My favorite kind!

No, really, this stuff has graphene swimmin' in it, and each injection comes with a little packet of extra graphene on the side. Spread the word.

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Originally posted by sjtill:
Debunked yet again.

Well I’m not going to argue with Bruce Lee.

There are a lot of charts and data to back up his assertions at the link.


‘Concerning’ Surge in Cardiac Arrest And Heart Attack Emergencies Seen In Israel’s Young – MIT Professor Retsef Levi

https://newsrescue.com/concern...r-retsef-levi-video/

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
I just read the definition of a vaccination

what do you call a vaccine that doesn't protect you from the disease?

a shot....

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
I just read the definition of a vaccination

what do you call a vaccine that doesn't protect you from the disease?

A total waste of time.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Has anyone noticed that every drug commercial on TV spends about 1/2-2/3 of the air time talking about side effects or negative reactions that may be possible.

Yet, not a word about any possible negative effect from a vaccine in any TV or radio ads.

I guess I'm supposed to believe this one drug, in the entire history of medicine has zero risk or any side effect?

They can't talk about potential side effects (if they even were inclined to) because they have no clue about potential side effects, both short and long term. And as has been discussed ad nauseum throughout this thread, these are not vaccines (exception J&J) like those that have been used in the past. So the statistical likelihood for these vaccines to result in side effects is likely far higher than 'regular' vaccines.

Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...pdf/pbio.1002198.pdf

Abstract

Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens? Conventional wisdom is that natural selection will remove highly lethal pathogens if host death greatly reduces transmission. Vaccines that keep hosts alive but still allow transmission could thus allow very virulent strains to circulate in a population.

Here we show experimentally that immunization of chickens against Marek's disease virus enhances the fitness of more virulent strains, making it possible for hyperpathogenic strains to transmit. Immunity elicited by direct vaccination or by maternal vaccination prolongs host survival but does not prevent infection, viral replication or transmission, thus extending the infectious periods of strains otherwise too lethal to persist. Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts.

Author Summary

There is a theoretical expectation that some types of vaccines could prompt the evolution of more virulent (“hotter”) pathogens. This idea follows from the notion that natural selection removes pathogen strains that are so “hot” that they kill their hosts and, therefore, themselves. Vaccines that let the hosts survive but do not prevent the spread of the pathogen relax this selection, allowing the evolution of hotter pathogens to occur. This type of vaccine is often called a leaky vaccine. When vaccines prevent transmission, as is the case for nearly all vaccines used in humans, this type of evolution towards increased virulence is blocked. But when vaccines leak, allowing at least some pathogen transmission, they could create the ecological conditions that would allow hot strains to emerge and persist. This theory proved highly controversial when it was first proposed over a decade ago, but here we report experiments with Marek’s disease virus in poultry that show that modern commercial leaky vaccines can have precisely this effect: they allow the onward transmission of strains otherwise too lethal to persist. Thus, the use of leaky vaccines can facilitate the evolution of pathogen strains that put unvaccinated hosts at greater risk of severe disease. The future challenge is to identify whether there are other types of vaccines used in animals and humans that might also generate these evolutionary risks.

More at link.

just gets better

Epoch Times reporting that the 'vaccine' is not quite effective against the delta variant..

gee, what a surprise

^^^^^^
Welllllll...that's why His Grace King Fauxchi says you need a booster. Screw you, you piece of old, dried up fecal matter!

I just got out of quarantine after catching covid for the second time. I went to a funeral where 20 out of the 50 people who attended tested positive. 15 of the 20 were vaccinated, 5 were not. The 15 had little to no symptoms while the 5 unvaccinated got really sick, one hospitalized. I have not gotten the vaccine since I caught covid before it was available and then figured I was good since I already had it. Seems to me that the vaccine, while not preventing anyone from contracting or spreading, spared people from getting smoked. Time will tell.

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And what was your reaction the second time around? How ill did you become?

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Yeah - the vaccinated are now super spreaders who take no precautions. Wonderful. Who could have seen that coming.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Yeah - the vaccinated are now super spreaders who take no precautions. Wonderful. Who could have seen that coming.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you....

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Originally posted by sjtill:
Debunked yet again.

"They aren’t like some of those less regulated dietary supplements that may secretly contain Viagra or steroids either."



I mean.... it would be a lot cooler if they did. I'm still waiting for my damned mutant-RNA superpowers.



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Originally posted by gearhounds:
^^^
And what was your reaction the second time around? How ill did you become?

Almost no symptoms. Mild headache and some fatigue following quarantine but nothing serious.

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Originally posted by dave7378:

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
^^^
And what was your reaction the second time around? How ill did you become?

Almost no symptoms. Mild headache and some fatigue following quarantine but nothing serious.

So no vaccine, had the bug, got better, caught the bug or different strain, and mild symptoms. Thanks for the info.

I'm going to take my chances with my immune system, anti-bodies (had the wuflu), and O+ blood before I ingest an experiment, Dr Mengelev Fauci thinks I need.

^^^More & more I feel fortunate to have already had COVID, and recovered...

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Originally posted by spunk639:

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Originally posted by dave7378:

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
^^^
And what was your reaction the second time around? How ill did you become?

Almost no symptoms. Mild headache and some fatigue following quarantine but nothing serious.

So no vaccine, had the bug, got better, caught the bug or different strain, and mild symptoms. Thanks for the info.

I'm going to take my chances with my immune system, anti-bodies (had the wuflu), and O+ blood before I ingest an experiment, Dr Mengelev Fauci thinks I need.

I am O+ as well.

Trust us this time


CDC Director: Annual COVID-19 Shots After Booster Not Expected

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...GyyzLILmmsy1nJV8nNLt

The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said an annual COVID-19 booster shot isn’t anticipated, suggesting that a third dose may adequately strengthen the long-term protection of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

When asked about the need for annual booster doses, Dr. Rachelle Walensky said, “I don’t want to say never, but we are not necessarily anticipating that you will need this annually.”

“It does look like after this third dose, you get a really robust response, and so we will continue to follow the science both on the vaccine side but also on the virus side,” she said during a CBS News interview on Aug. 19.

On Aug. 18, Walensky and other federal health agency chiefs said during a joint news conference that they will recommend boosters to individuals eight months after receiving their second COVID-19 mRNA vaccine dose, starting Sept. 20. The CDC and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) haven’t authorized the doses yet.

During the CBS interview, Walensky said that “several studies” showed the vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna showed “waning effectiveness” against the Delta variant of the virus that causes COVID-19.

“We’ve also been in collaboration and discussions with our international colleagues and they are starting to see … presentation of worsening infection in the context of their breakthroughs,” she said.

Walensky was referring to three different studies published on Aug. 18 on the CDC website, including one from the CDC’s COVID-19 Response Team and the Vermont-based Lantana Consulting Group that found the mRNA vaccines’ efficacy against infection plummeted to around 53 percent in July, falling by about 22 percent from May.

Inside the United States, some experts questioned the CDC’s data.

“The message I got from reading all three [studies] was that there may be some reduction in infection protection with Delta in nursing homes, but no data about waning protection from severe disease or hospitalization,” Dr. Walid Gellad, professor of medicine at the University of Pittsburgh’s School of Medicine, wrote on Twitter.

The recent U.S. proposals to provide booster shots now have been flagged by some health experts as unethical and premature. The World Health Organization (WHO) went on the offensive this week, saying that wealthier nations such as the United States should prioritize donating vaccines to poorer nations.

Other critics, such as former President Donald Trump, accused the CDC and FDA of promoting boosters to bolster profits for pharmaceutical companies.

Meanwhile, U.S. Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) tweeted that the FDA and CDC are misleading the public.

“Just last month, CDC & FDA said no booster needed. At the time, they worried that the truth about long term vaccine efficacy would cause ‘vaccine hesitancy,'” the Kentucky Republican wrote. “They ignored widely available data and drug manufacturers, because both indicated efficacy had dropped significantly.”

Earlier this year, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said that it’s likely that people will have to receive a vaccine booster dose every 12 months, similar to the annual flu shot. His comments drew pushback from White House officials at the time.

President Joe Biden in an ABC News interview aired on Aug. 19 that both he and First Lady Jill Biden will get booster shots.

“It’s something that I think, you know, because we got our shots all the way back in, I think, December, so it’s past time,” Biden told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. “Yes, we will get the booster shots.”

going back through this thread from the start

it appears that unless I cave in and get the jab I will never be able to see my family in Canada again