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Originally posted by selogic:
Serious question . IF Oswald did it . AND he acted alone without any collusion from ANYONE . Why is there any national security concerns , foreign affair considerations , or anything else that could be harmful to anyone this long after ?

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Originally posted by selogic:
Serious question . IF Oswald did it . AND he acted alone without any collusion from ANYONE . Why is there any national security concerns , foreign affair considerations , or anything else that could be harmful to anyone this long after ?

By the way you're asking this seems to me you assume the reason for the hold on the information is to conceal a collusion. That's narrow-minded if true. That's not necessarily the reason. It could be completely unrelated to that. I can speculate other reasons. Maybe there's something very unflattering about JFK. I'm not even guessing that. I'm just pointing out that with the facts so overwhelmingly pointing to Oswald acting alone, it's tinfoil hat irrationality to assume the reason for the hold on the file has something to with a conspiracy.

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it's tinfoil hat irrationality to assume the reason for the hold on the file has something to with a conspiracy.

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Originally posted by justjoe:
Actually, I'm tired of you Sigfreund.

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Originally posted by justjoe:

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it's tinfoil hat irrationality to assume the reason for the hold on the file has something to with a conspiracy.

That sounds to me like absolutely no chance.

Try harder to be nice. You can do it.

Actually, I'm tired of you Sigfreund. You are very impressed by your own intelligence. But I'm not.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
A man by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald, a perpetual malcontent, did it. He used a surplus Carcano rifle with a cheap scope.

His first shot missed his target so badly, it hit a curb. Spalling from the shot hit a man standing nearby and cut his cheek.

The second shot hit Kennedy in his upper back, passed out through his throat, passed through the jump seat Texas Governor Connally was sitting in, passed through Connally's torso, breaking a rib, fractured his wrist and embedded itself in his leg.

The third and final shot struck Kennedy in the back of the head.

In March, 1963, Oswald used the same rifle to attempt to kill General Edwin Walker, with testimony from Oswald's wife Marina supporting the evidence.

After the assassination, Oswald also murdered Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit with a war surplus S&W revolver, which had been converted from .38/200 to .38 Special, before being captured by authorities in a Dallas movie theater.

Two days later, Oswald was murdered by Dallas night club owner Jack Ruby.

Any other questions?

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"it's tinfoil asshattery to assume anything and state anything open to opinion as absolute,"

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Originally posted by SgtGold:
Oswald's first shot hit a traffic light. The audio of the shooting recorded one more shot that was accounted for. It wasn't until recently that the specific traffic device was being inspected for maintenance, and the bullet hole was discovered.

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Several minutes after the presidential
motorcade left Dealey Plaza in disarray, James
T. Tague, an eyewitness to the motorcade,
reported to a deputy sheriff that he was stung
by something during the shooting. The officer
observed that there was blood from a scratch on
Tague’s lower left cheek. Tague took the deputy
sheriff to where he had been standing, south of
Main Street, close to the triple underpass and
152.9 feet (46.6 meters) downrange from the
concrete skirt in Figure 2. A search of the area
revealed that a nearby concrete curb, located
23.3 ft (7.1 m) east of the triple underpass,
had been freshly struck by a projectile (Fig. 3),
presumably accounting in some way for Tague’s
superficial wound [15]. The relative positions
of the concrete skirt, concrete curb, and James
Tague can be seen in Figure 4

After the Federal Bureau of Investigation
(FBI) removed the curb for examination,
the Bureau’s Laboratory determined that the
projectile mark had metal that contained lead/
antimony, and concluded it was from the core
of a mutilated metal-jacketed bullet, such as the
type loaded into Oswald’s 6.5-mm cartridges.
Because there was no copper present in
the metal residue, the FBI Laboratory also
concluded that the curb metal “could not
have been made by the first impact of a high
velocity rifle bullet,” meaning the bullet had
encountered an obstruction that stripped off
its copper jacket before it struck the curb [16].
Although eyewitness recollections can be
misleading or mistaken, any findings regarding
the first shot must explain not only why the
shot missed the presidential limousine, but
should reasonably account for all the heretofore
unresolved but documented phenomena just
described.

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Figure 3:
The concrete curb near where James Tague
was standing when he sustained a minor
injury, and the projectile strike mark on the
curb. Subsequent FBI analysis determined that
metallic residue in the mark was consistent with
the lead core of ammunition used by Lee Harvey
Oswald. (Photo from the Tom Dillard Collection,
The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.)

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Originally posted by pulicords:
As one who's actually gotten paid (as a LEO) to investigate conspiracies for years, I can definitively say this: Those involved talk. They talk to spouses, family members, lovers, friends, people they work with, and those they've been acquainted with for many years or just a few weeks. Those spoken to talk to others and they in turn spread the word until it gets back to investigators.

Sometimes the promise of reward money or special consideration for a pending prosecution elicits these people to talk to investigators, but most of the time (on serious matters) those "in the know", just want to let it out and all they need is a bit of probing by someone that's shown an interest in them and what they've got to say, and they'll spill their guts. Someone that'll listen.

When the President of the United States was murdered, it was literally the most horrific act of wrongdoing committed against the citizens of the nation, not to mention the victim, his family, friends, and other loved ones in decades. If there was truly a conspiracy to commit this act, word among those involved would have gotten out by someone over the last sixty plus years. There's far too much incentive to talk and (at this point) far too little reason not to. Those "dark recesses" of government involve far too many people that would have been directly involved and innumerable others that would have learned about those responsible who would have passed what they had learned on. That lack of credible/corroborative information after all this time speaks volumes.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

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Originally posted by selogic:
Serious question . IF Oswald did it . AND he acted alone without any collusion from ANYONE . Why is there any national security concerns , foreign affair considerations , or anything else that could be harmful to anyone this long after ?

By the way you're asking this seems to me you assume the reason for the hold on the information is to conceal a collusion. That's narrow-minded if true. That's not necessarily the reason. It could be completely unrelated to that. I can speculate other reasons. Maybe there's something very unflattering about JFK. I'm not even guessing that. I'm just pointing out that with the facts so overwhelmingly pointing to Oswald acting alone, it's tinfoil hat irrationality to assume the reason for the hold on the file has something to with a conspiracy.