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Originally posted by FrankMoses:


The “trunk area”? What the fuck are you talking about? I’ve read thousands, even millions of words on this topic and this is the first time I’ve heard that bullshit ever floated out there.

Perhaps take a moment to search numerous articles before running your mouth.

Oh, please. One man's claim, unsubstantiated, decades after the fact.

I've given you the path of the bullet, but you go out and find one of the many conflicting accounts, because it helps in a roundabout way to support your unsubstantiated belief that it was a government conspiracy.

You should have stopped when you were ahead err behind, whatever.

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Originally posted by MikeNH:

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Originally posted by FrankMoses:


The “trunk area”? What the fuck are you talking about? I’ve read thousands, even millions of words on this topic and this is the first time I’ve heard that bullshit ever floated out there.

Perhaps take a moment to search numerous articles before running your mouth.

Right back at you. You’ve said NOTHING but jibberish so far.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Oh, please. One man's claim, unsubstantiated, decades after the fact.

I've given you the path of the bullet, but you go out and find one of the many conflicting accounts, because it helps in a roundabout way to support your unsubstantiated belief that it was a government conspiracy.

You should have stopped when you were ahead err behind, whatever.

The word of someone who was there vs the word of a compromised government report. Gotcha. You're king and this is your sandbox after all.

Oswald fire three shots. First one missed by a mile, second hit Kennedy and Connally both, third one was the fatal head shot.

Everything else is unsubstantiated bullshit from people who simply decided that in any instance involving the US government, every single thing associated with it is a lie.

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Originally posted by MikeNH:
The word of someone who was there vs the word of a compromised government report. Gotcha. You're king and this is your sandbox after all.

The word of the man who wrote a book and wants to reap benefit from it and who wants to be remembered, and don't behave as if we have to pretend I'm right simply because I'm in charge here. That's just a cop-out. Each time this topic comes up, I bring the facts and I bring decades of research on the topic, so you can just stow that crap. Not gonna fly. I'm not right because this is my place; I'm right because I'm right.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by MikeNH:
The word of someone who was there vs the word of a compromised government report. Gotcha. You're king and this is your sandbox after all.

The word of the man who wrote a book and wants to reap benefit from it and who wants to be remembered, and don't behave as if we have to pretend I'm right simply because I'm in charge here. That's just a cop-out. Each time this topic comes up, I bring the facts and I bring decades of research on the topic, so you can just stow that crap. Not gonna fly. I'm not right because this is my place; I'm right because I'm right.

Decades of research and you just happen to toe the line of the Warren Report? Gotcha.

Really, you have no idea at all about how revealing is that statement.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I'm right because I'm right.

Thus endeth the lesson.

Along my way in life, I got to know several people with first-hand knowledge of the assassination and/or the ensuing investigations, including:

1. One of the primary FBI investigators;
2. The son of the Dallas PD reserve officer who was the first officer on scene at J.D. Tippit's murder AND was the officer who Jack Ruby pushed aside to shoot Lee Harvey Oswald in the police parking garage;
3. Tippitt's best friend on the Dallas Police Department; and
4. Other DPD personnel who were still with the Department when I hired on in 1987.

All of those individuals spoke freely and were consistent with their accounts.

In their opinion, Oswald acted alone. Period, end.

Any time any of you want to challenge me on this, you just go ahead and step up. I bring the facts with me, and I will put my knowledge of this event up against anyone here, and don't bring some pissing little crap about how you can't challenge me because I'm in charge. What a cop-out.

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Ruby acted spontaneously. When he saw Oswald, he was enraged. He routinely carried the Colt Cobra he used to shoot Oswald because as a business owner, he frequently carried cash.

As I recall, Ruby was across the street, paying something or other for one of his "girls" (a prostitute) when he heard that LHO was going to transferred. He knew many of the local police and just walked in there, much like several others. Not much security back then.

He routinely carried the J frame revolver, he was a fringe mafia type and involved in carrying a lot of cash around.

Another excellent book that covers all the details in depth, for those that actually want to learn, is "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner. Both his and Vincent Bugliosi's book are excellent sources that answer all questions.

He was at the Western-Union office just down the street, wiring money to one of his strippers so she could pay her rent, and there is a receipt for that transaction.

Again, facts

And, the Warren Commission- it is central to all conspiracy theorists that the Commission Report was a fix. Virtually none of those people have read the report.

And what a coincidence that the report lines up with the truth, so naturally, anyone who arrives at the conclusion that Oswald acted alone, must be an idiot or a dupe who simply accepts the word of a government coverup. It can't simply be that the truth is simply the truth, and that that is the reason that I and others who have thoroughly researched the matter arrived independently at the same conclusion as the Warren Commission.

Laughable

^^ That's it, I just had the wrong task.
In any case, just a routine chore he was doing and it changed history.

The Warren Report did an excellent job and all these years later, I can't recall any important detail they got wrong.
The conspiracy folks just depend on people that don't take the time to read the report first and are just infatuated with a fictional version with no proof.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
He routinely carried the J frame revolver, he was a fringe mafia type and involved in carrying a lot of cash around.

It was a Colt Cobra with a hammer shroud, an excellent choice for pocket carry in 1963.

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Another excellent book that covers all the details in depth, for those that actually want to learn, is "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner.

On my shelf. Heavily annotated, pointing to sources of virtually all claims made or facts cited in the book. Again, facts

People that didn't live in the earlier time have a hard time understanding the simplicity of a number of things. No cell phones and generally poor communications compared to today.

A good example, well covered in Posner's book, is the scene as the motorcade arrives unexpectedly at Parkland Hospital. It was around lunchtime and most of the ER staff was in the cafeteria eating lunch or off the property.
I'll let those that haven't heard this part read it for themselves, so I don't misquote any of the details.
Basically, it's a clusterfu*k. But the magic bullet is mostly explained there.

When Mark Lane published his book ‘Rush to Judgement ‘ in the late 60s, I read it and had my doubts as well. But as the far left is doing today, each subsequent book that came out suggesting a conspiracy got more wacky and weird, and their “theories” were easily rebutted.
Posner’s book was like Trump 2016, the cannon firing grapeshot into the lunatic fringe.
Bugliosi took it to the final, irrefutable level.

But even he couldn’t resolve Silvia Odio.

I have never doubted nor questioned that Oswald acted alone.

He fired three rounds, within about a 10 second window. The car moving always was the better shot than the car coming towards him.

(And yes, later in like, I would understand this "physics" better)

It is my belief that people "love/seek" the "conspiracy", because it gives them some purchase on having a modicum of control of the chaos and randomness that life altering events present them.

In other words, some people can't handle the reality that they can cease to exists in an instant, without any say so whatsoever, and it scares the bejesus out of them to live in that reality with no alternative.

There was a show probably a decade ago where a professional shooter actually set up a car in motion and he shot from a cherry picker with the same rifle and ammo. He managed the shots w/I the timeframe and the dummy reacted the same way when struck in the head. For the life of me I can’t remember who or what the show was.

But for anyone who’s been to Dallas and ever shot a gun it wasn’t a hard shot.

Edited to add this video of the Discovery Channel (clip) of the show. https://youtu.be/mODFnl8e83M?si=FcVR4s-ojtPc_-tM

Para is right-there is no conspiracy.

^I think I saw that video. As I recall, it wasn't a particularly difficult operation for him.