What has happened to DJT in the attempts on him. Wonder what the official reports will say and subsequent books will conclude and how they will be accepted or not.

Will the truth ever been known?

I guess it will come out and any that do not believe it are more looneys for the bin.

I haven't read his book, but Roger Stone makes a compelling case against LBJ.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?...e-man-killed-kennedy

This from the national archives is interesting as well (Stone refers to it in the above presentation):

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Conclusion

The foregoing evidence establishes that (1) two eyewitnesses who heard the shots and saw the shooting of Dallas Police Patrolman J. D. Tippit and seven eyewitnesses who saw the flight of the gunman with revolver in hand positively identified Lee Harvey Oswald as the man they saw fire the shots or flee from the scene, (2) the cartridge cases found near the scene of the shooting were fired from the revolver in the possession of Oswald at the time of his arrest, to the exclusion of all other weapons, (3) the revolver in Oswald's possession at the time of his arrest was purchased by and belonged to Oswald, and (4) Oswald's jacket was found along the path of flight taken by the gunman as he fled from the scene of the killing. On the basis of this evidence the Commission concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Dallas Police Patrolman J. D. Tippit. OSWALD'S ARREST

So he shoots Tippit, and drops the brass from his revolver at the scene prior to fleeing?

So, you find it somehow unusual that he reloaded his revolver immediately?

And as I recall, Oswald emptied the cylinder as he was running away from the scene. There was a witness sitting in a truck on the street and Oswald ran past him.

Is this somehow significant to you, that a man who just murdered a policeman would reload his pistol immediately?

I do. If I'd just killed a cop, I doubt that I would linger around and take the time to reload a revolver.

I was just doing a little fact checking of Stone's assertion as I'd never heard that, and found it interesting. Significant? I don't know.

He didn't linger. He was reloading as he was running away, per the witness.

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...the cartridge cases found near the scene of the shooting...

I believe Oswald put holes in people, I'm just not entirely sure he was the only one that did.

It's a bit like either we are alone in the universe or we aren't, and both possibilities are terrifying.

What's your evidence?

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Originally posted by apprentice:
I believe Oswald put holes in people, I'm just not entirely sure he was the only one that did.

It's a bit like either we are alone in the universe or we aren't, and both possibilities are terrifying.

I am amused at the thought of a second gunman completely unrelated to Oswald. Just some other assassin, being fully prepared to go down for this crime, but then Oswald shows up and takes a couple shots at the same time, and they go after him instead of the other guy. It would make a fun comedy.

I seem to remember at the time that many of the records were sealed to keep the family from having to see the graphic details of JFK’s death. I was twelve at the time of The Warren Commission so it could have been a speculative comment by a news commentator that I read somewhere and have confused with an official statement from the Commission. Time does that.

One of the more bizarre theory's floating around is that an unintentional discharge of an AR rifle by an untrained SS agent actually killed JFK. There was a book written about the theory called "Mortal Error".

"They also said that artificial sweeteners were safe, and WMDs were in Iraq, and Anna Nicole married for love!"

Boarder collies got nothing on humanity. "SQUIRREL!!!!"

Gullible'S travels...

Y'all enjoy the ride on the conspiracy express. If you missed this one, another will be along any moment.

The road goes on forever and the party never ends.

Still got the shovel?

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
One of the more bizarre theory's floating around is that an unintentional discharge of an AR rifle by an untrained SS agent actually killed JFK. There was a book written about the theory called "Mortal Error".

Having read Mortal Error by Bomar Menninger and seen the 2013 show “JFK: The Smoking Gun”, Howard Donahue’s ballistic science applied to the shooting was pretty compelling. He studied it intensely for 25 years.

-If you consider that (IIRC), 11 people were eye witnesses to the SS agent in the left rear of the follow car stating he had a rifle in his hands and was looking back to the Oswald sniper nest: (Senator Ralph Yarborough, Warren Commission Vol. VII, pg439, Dallas Mayor Earle Cabell, WC Vol VII, pg 478) just being 2.
-He (Donahue) surmised that the AR15 the SS agent had in his hands fired the 3rd shot and was simply an accidental discharge caused by the startle reflex we all have hardwired in our nervous system when the motorcade gunned it to GTFO of the kill zone. Multiple witnesses reported that the 1st and second shots had a longer time delay between them - the delay between the 2nd and 3rd shots was much more brief.
-Donahue NEVER stated he thought there was any intent by George Hickey (the SS agent in the left rear of the follow car with the AR) to shoot Kennedy, just a tragic accident.
-There were many people who smelled gunpowder at street level. Hard to smell that when LHO was 6 floors up with the wind in his face.
-There were multiple small fragments seen in JFK’s brain x-ray and the measurement of the entrance wound in the skull was 6mm as stated by the Doc who measured it during the autopsy. The Carcano was 6.5mm and bullets never leave a smaller hole in bone.
-Donahue eventually realized that the jacket material of the Carcano and the AR15 were of different composition. The Carcano had a high zinc content, the AR bullet was virtually 99% copper. When he asked if the jacket fragments were analyzed, he was told, “They were lost.”

Consider that they HAD a shooter who really did shoot the President, LHO. It would have been easy for the family to pressure all of the involved parties, (especially when one member of the family was the US Attorney General) to want to put all 3 shots on Oswald and not embarrass the shit out of the USSS.

Yeah, everybody's got a story. Isn't that something?

Okay, here's my theory. This is JFK checking out 20 year old Nancy the day of his inaugural. Let's say JFK hit it. In 1963 she marries Paul Pelosi and he discovers he isn't her first. He complains to her dad, Thomas D'Alesandro Jr. She 'fesses up about Kennedy. Dad had been Mayor of Baltimore (as well as a Congressman) and probably at the least knew made guys in the Baltimore Ma-fooch. Perhaps D'Alesandro was owed a favor and had one of these guys reach out to Sam Giancana who already felt he'd been backstabbed when Kennedy appointed RFK Attorney General. This deflowering of a nice Italian girl by some married Mick was the last straw and Giancana ordered the hit.

Having lived in the Butler, PA area all of my life, I am very familiar with the Butler Farm Show Grounds as well as the adjacent AGR International property and surrounding neighborhoods. While I did not attend the July 13th rally, based upon my knowledge of the area I witnessed first hand how media reporting errors resulted in wild theories regarding the shooter's position, the number of shooter's, the number of shots fired & etc. I believe the same is true of the November 1963 events in Dallas. Given the popularity (and may I suggest the unpopularity) of JFK, it isn't difficult to see how this national event spawned a conspiracy theory which seems immortal. When I was young, I was fascinated with tales of ape men, sea serpents and little green aliens. Like many Americans of my generation, I also subscribed to the numerous JFK theories. After 61 years, I believe it's time to come to the conclusion it was LHO alone who fired the shots.

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Like many Americans of my generation, I also subscribed to the numerous JFK theories. After 61 years, I believe it's time to come to the conclusion LHO who fired the shots.

I was not yet born in 1963... but my parents didn't believe that LHO acted alone. They thought the Warren Commission was a sham... not unlike the J6 Committee of 2021.
I certainly wouldn't put it past LBJ and the CIA to do it.
However, Para makes a compelling case that LHO acted alone.

Yeah, we all know how those vast conspiracies stay hidden for six decades err six days.

What about Elvis?

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Originally posted by chellim1:
However, Para makes a compelling case that LHO acted alone.

Indeed. Para's conclusions are based upon fact. The various conspiracy theories are based upon conjecture. Looking to make sense out of a seemingly senseless act, many Americans rejected the notion of a single rouge gunman much like they rejected the possibility Norma Jean simply took one too many Nembutals.