It makes as much sense as the other conspiracy theories.

This is a bit off topic but the your photo of some of your reading material did catch my eye Para, specifically Son of the Morning Star by Evan Connell. An excellent book.

If you go to YouTube and search "Custer Apollo" you will find an older channel that provides some of the most in-depth and well researched presentations on not only Custer himself but probably the best walk through of the battle at the Little Bighorn I've yet to come across. I think you (and others of course) would really enjoy those presentations.

I once worked with a fellow who, in a previous life, worked for one of the intelligence agencies.

After I got to know him, one day I asked "So, what's the deal? Did Oswald act alone, or was there a conspiracy?"

He laughed out loud and said "Do you know how many people would have to be in on a conspiracy of that magnitude? And, they would all have had to keep their mouths shut for the past 30 years? No one is worse at keeping secrets than people in government".

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
I got a chance to visit Dealy Plaza.

As did I. I was surprised how anticlimactic it all was. In the sense that hitting a man sized target at under 100 yards in a slow moving vehicle, etc.

Talking about conspiracies no one has mentioned Jack not having cancer and dying of an embolism. Rather was poisoned according to a friend who visited him in prison three times before his untimely death.

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"Do you know how many people would have to be in on a conspiracy of that magnitude? And, they would all have had to keep their mouths shut for the past 30 years? No one is worse at keeping secrets than people in government".

That by itself is a good reason to doubt any of these wild stories.
Any more than one person has a hard time keeping their mouth shut.

That's also why the 911 conspiracies are even more farfetched. That would have required hundreds, maybe more, of conspirators with perfect execution and zero leaks for 23 years.

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Originally posted by Stlhead:
What about Elvis?

Wait.
You're implying Elvis killed JFK?

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Originally posted by Stlhead:
What about Elvis?

Elvis has left the building.

Nah...he was Hillary's first kill.

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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by Stlhead:
What about Elvis?

Wait.
You're implying Elvis killed JFK?

Well, he was a Nixon fan ...

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by Stlhead:
What about Elvis?

Elvis has left the building.

The depository?

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Originally posted by KMitch200:
Howard Donahue’s ballistic science applied to the shooting was pretty compelling. He studied it intensely for 25 years.

Bit of a red flag there.

There is a disconnect for people in the murder of the most powerful man in the Western World; it is understandable to a great degree that people might not accept that one insignificant malcontent with a rifle could alter history, and yet, this is what happened.

From the immediate aftermath of the assassination, until today, there have been conspiracy theories surrounding these events. These suspicions were turbocharged in American culture after Vietnam and especially after Watergate.

The American public at large did not see the Zapruder film until 1975 and I recall quite vividly the gasps of talk show audiences at first viewing: "Here comes the headshot..."

People who were not around back then or who at least were not old enough to be aware of this initial viewing of the film, can ever appreciate how shocking it was to witness, after more than a decade of comprehending the assassination by having it described to us.

It was in this cultural moment that my interest in the assassination took root. Conspiracyconspiracyconspiracy and nothing but. Grassy Knoll shooters, Umbrella Man, the too-well-dressed hobos, the CIA, Cubans the Bay of Pigs, Carlos Marcello, Jim Garrison- the list is endless.

I was, at the time, absolutely convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone, and through the years, slowly and then all of a sudden, I came to realize the truth of the matter.

And I will tell you this: Those of you who know my steadfast skepticism of most conspiracy theories of all kinds- this event, the Kennedy Assassination, is what has informed that skepticism, because I doubt that you could find any cultural event in any country, at any time, which has had more bullshit attached to it, than this one.

I can do nothing about the the eternal skepticism of the conclusions of the Warren Commission, but I will point out once again, that virtually no one who smirks and rolls their eyes at the mention of their report and its findings has read it.

You want to damn the WCR? Then, by God, at least know what you're talking about.

The Warren Commission Report

https://www.archives.gov/resea...r-4.html#conclusion6

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CONCLUSION

On the basis of the evidence reviewed in this chapter, the Commission has found that Lee Harvey Oswald (1) owned and possessed the rifle used to kill President Kennedy and wound Governor Connally, (2) brought this rifle into the Depository Building on the morning of the assassination, (3) was present, at the time of the assassination, at the window from which the shots were fired (4) killed Dallas Police Officer J. D. Tippit in an apparent attempt to escape, (5) resisted arrest by drawing a fully loaded pistol and attempting to shoot another police officer, (6) lied to the police after his arrest concerning important substantive matters, (7) attempted, in April 1963, to kill Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker, and (8) possessed the capability with a rifle which would have enabled him to commit the assassination. On the basis of these findings the Commission has concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald was the assassin of President Kennedy.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump boasted last fall that he would open all remaining John F. Kennedy assassination records. So far, Trump hasn’t made good on the “great transparency” he promised then.

Trump announced on Thursday that the public must wait another three years or more before seeing material that must remain classified for national security reasons — more than five decades after Kennedy was killed Nov. 22, 1963 in Dallas, Texas.

The National Archives released its last batch of more than 19,000 records on Thursday. But an undisclosed amount of material remains under wraps because Trump said the potential harm to U.S. national security, law enforcement or foreign affairs is “of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in immediate disclosure.”

He ordered the CIA and other agencies to take yet another look at each blacked-out section of their documents during the next three years to see what more can be released.

https://apnews.com/trump-boast...45d98eb784d2295288ef

So what can't be disclosed this long after the fact? Gross incompetence?

Clearly, President Trump is part of the massive conspiracy.

Serious question . IF Oswald did it . AND he acted alone without any collusion from ANYONE . Why is there any national security concerns , foreign affair considerations , or anything else that could be harmful to anyone this long after ?

You want someone to provide you with a logical reason for government action?

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Clearly, President Trump is part of the massive conspiracy.

No, just curious what his reasons were. I would lean toward Oswald being known or surveilled by FBI or CIA and the case getting lost or ignored prior to the assassination, possibly due to poor interagency communication or infighting. Typical incompetence.

In addition to my print copy of Posner's Case Close, I have an e-copy as well. To give you guy's a taste of Posner's research, here's an excerpt regarding Tippit's murder, here reproduced under the Fair Use Provision of the Copyright Act. I've left in all the annotation marks so that you can see how heavily annotated is this work. Again, when it comes to this event, I deal in facts only.

The reference to Oswald's S&W Victory pistol being rechambered to .38 Special alludes to the fact that the revolver was original chambered for the British .38-200 cartridge.



While the hunt for the assassin was under way at Dealey, Oswald had left his rooming house. When Earlene Roberts last saw him, he was at a bus stop across the street. Evidently seeing no buses in sight, he walked further into Oak Cliff. Near 1:15, Dallas patrolman J. D. Tippit, having been ordered to drive into Oak Cliff at 12:45 from his outlying area, saw Oswald walking briskly ahead of him, east along Tenth Street.34* The description of the presidential assassin had been broadcast four times within thirty minutes. Tippit, a ten-year veteran, decided to stop Oswald. He pulled his patrol car to the curb behind Oswald and called him over.35† Oswald turned around and walked back to the car. He leaned close toward the passenger side, exchanging some words through the open vent window. Whatever he said did not satisfy Tippit, who then got out of the car and started to walk around the front toward Oswald. Tippit did not first call in on his radio that he had stopped someone, nor did he draw his gun upon exiting the car. According to Dallas police procedures, this indicated that he was merely suspicious, but not positive he had found a suspect.36

As Tippit reached the front left tire, Oswald whipped out his revolver and began shooting. Tippit was killed instantly. Oswald then began running back toward Patton Avenue, emptying shells from the revolver along the way.‡

Helen Markham, standing on a street corner only half a block away, was on her way to catch a bus when she saw Oswald murder Tippit. After the shots, Oswald trotted back toward her and she began screaming. “When he saw me, he looked at me, stared at me,” she recalled. “I put my hands over my face …”37 She was traumatized by the scene and had to be given smelling salts at the police station before she could enter the lineup room.38 There, she quickly selected Oswald.39*

Virginia Davis and her sister-in-law, Barbara Davis, were inside their home on the corner of Tenth and Patton when they heard the shots. They went to the front of the house, opened the door and the screen to see what happened, and saw Oswald cutting across the corner of their lawn, pulling and shaking the shells from his gun. Virginia watched Oswald look at Markham, who was yelling and pointing toward him, “and [then he] looked at me and then smiled and went around the corner.”40 Barbara Davis heard Markham’s piercing screams: “He shot him. He is dead. Call the police.”41 Virginia and Barbara Davis both picked Oswald that same night from a police lineup.42

William Scoggins, a Dallas taxi driver, was eating his lunch in his cab, parked less than half a block away. After he heard the shots, he looked up in time to see Tippit fall, and then hid behind the rear of his taxi as Oswald ran toward him.43 “He never did look at me,” recalled Scoggins. “He looked back over his left shoulder … as he went by.… I could see his face, his features, everything plain, you see.… I heard him mutter something like, ‘poor damn cop,’ or ‘poor dumb cop,’ but anyway, he muttered that twice.”44 Scoggins also picked Oswald from a police lineup that night.45

Perhaps the closest witness to the shooting was Domingo Benavides, who was driving a pickup truck. He estimated he was only fifteen feet from Tippit’s car when the officer was shot.46 He saw Tippit fall over after the first shots and then watched Oswald leave the scene emptying his gun. “I saw him—I mean really got a good view of the man after the bullets were fired …”47*

After Oswald cut across the Davises’ front yard, he went down Patton Avenue one block to Jefferson Avenue. While briskly moving along Patton, he passed near two used-car lots. There, seven people either came outside or to the windows when they heard the shots. Ted Callaway stepped onto the street in enough time to see Oswald run past taxi driver Scoggins, holding the pistol in his right hand, in “what we used to say in the Marine Corps [was] in a raised pistol position.”48 Oswald’s elbow was bent and the pistol was pointed up in the air. “I hollered, ‘Hey,man, what the hell is going on?’” said Callaway. “He slowed his pace, almost halted for a minute. And he said something to me, which I could not understand. And then kind of shrugged his shoulders, and kept on going.”49 Callaway ran back in the direction from which Oswald had come, and discovering Tippit had been murdered, he grabbed the officer’s revolver and had Scoggins drive him around Oak Cliff, searching for the shooter. They did not find him. That night Callaway, however, saw him again. He identified Oswald in a police lineup—“When he came out, I knew him.”50 Sam Guinyard, another worker at the same car lot, picked Oswald from a lineup that same day.51

Warren Reynolds was on the far side of Jefferson Avenue in a car lot he owned and had an excellent view from the porch of his office. When he looked outside after hearing shots fired, “I saw this man coming down the street with the gun in his hand, swinging it just like he was running,” said Reynolds. “He turned the corner of Patton and Jefferson, going west, and put the gun in his pants and took off, walking.”52 After watching Oswald cut through a gas station, Reynolds futilely searched the parked cars in the rear of the station to see whether he had hidden under any of them.53 Reynolds had “no question” the man he saw was Oswald.54*

Others who saw Oswald flee the Tippit scene, such as William Arthur Smith and B. M. Patterson, positively identified him from photographs.55 Jack R. Tatum was driving through the intersection of Patton and East Tenth Street when the shooting took place. Although he had a “very good look” at the killer, and had “no question whatsoever” that it was Oswald (he later saw him on television), he did not make himself available to the Dallas Police. Tatum told his story for the first time to investigators for the House Select Committee on Assassinations.56 A high-ranking Dallas police official who was a member of the force in 1963 told the author there was another witness who had positively identified Oswald as the shooter but was never publicly identified. Evidently, the man was married and had been at a house in Oak Cliff visiting his mistress for an afternoon tryst. When he heard the shots, he pulled aside the curtains and got, according to the policeman, “a good, long look at the killer.” Although he had no doubt about his identification, the police decided not to use him since they thought they had enough other solid eyewitness evidence of the murder, and the man pleaded that they not involve him, to avoid embarrassing publicity.*

Beyond the eyewitnesses, Oswald left other telling evidence at the scene. Dashing through the gas station across from Reynolds’s car lot, he dropped his light-beige jacket. It was retrieved by Captain W. R. Westbrook, under the rear of one of the parked cars.57 Earlene Roberts saw him put on a jacket when he left the rooming house around 1:00 P.M. All of the Tippit murder eyewitnesses described the shooter with a jacket, and when arrested before 2:00, Oswald had no jacket. As is typical with eyewitness testimony, though all who were asked identified the jacket when it was shown to them during their Warren Commission testimony, each remembered it slightly differently. Markham, Scoggins, and Barbara Davis thought the jacket (Warren Commission exhibit 162) was a little too light.58 Callaway thought it needed more tan.59 William Smith, Virginia Davis, Benavides, and Guinyard said the Commission exhibit was exactly like the one they saw in the rear of the gas station.60 However, the critical testimony came from Marina Oswald. She said her husband only owned two jackets. His dark-blue one was found at the School Book Depository, and she identified the jacket found in the gas station as the other one.61 She even thought he had worn it to the Paines’ house the night before the assassination.62*

Oswald also left behind critical ballistics evidence. Benavides and Virginia and Barbara Davis found four shells that Oswald had emptied from his gun while escaping.63 These shells were matched, to the exclusion of any other gun, to Oswald’s revolver, which he had with him when captured just blocks away.64 His pistol was a .38 caliber, rechambered, by the company he purchased it from, to handle .38 special ammunition, a better bullet than .38 regular ammo. However, that presented unique problems to the ballistics experts when they tried to match the four slugs recovered from Tippit’s body. According to ballistics expert Joseph Nicol, “This means that the bullet, instead of touching on all surfaces as it goes down the barrel, actually wobbles a little bit. As a consequence, it is difficult to have it strike the same places every time that it goes through the barrel, so that the match on the projectiles was extremely difficult.”65 On three of the bullets, the best the experts could conclude was that the bullets had the same characteristics as Oswald’s revolver, but they could not isolate them only to that gun.66 However, a fourth bullet had enough unique characteristics that it was matched to his revolver to the exclusion of all others.67

Gerald Posner, Case Closed, Chapter 12, "He Looks Like A Maniac", ppg. 273-279

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Originally posted by selogic:
Serious question . IF Oswald did it . AND he acted alone without any collusion from ANYONE . Why is there any national security concerns , foreign affair considerations , or anything else that could be harmful to anyone this long after ?

It's a fair question.

Perhaps when (if) it is finally released it will only say one insignificant malcontent with a rifle altered history... but then why not release the information?