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Originally posted by arlen:
Specifically that Paddock was conducting a gun deal for the FBI and it went south. Nothing else makes any sense.

What about The Illuminati? Where do they fit in?

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Originally posted by parabellum:
As it stands, arlen, this is nothing more than trolling.

OK, then I withdraw it.
So, what was he doing? I do not know and have not been told by the media or authorities.
Why did he do it? I do not know and have not been told by the media or authorities.

I am waiting for the media and authorities to tell me what to think.

Nothing makes any sense from what the media and authorities have told me. I am waiting for the official right-thinking opinion.

The bodies are buried out near Terlingua.

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Originally posted by arlen:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
As it stands, arlen, this is nothing more than trolling.

OK, then I withdraw it.
So, what was he doing? I do not know and have not been told by the media or authorities.
Why did he do it? I do not know and have not been told by the media or authorities.

I am waiting for the media and authorities to tell me what to think.

Nothing makes any sense from what the media and authorities have told me. I am waiting for the official right-thinking opinion.

You'll go crazy trying to make sense of crazy.

He was the son of a psychopath that was on the FBI's 10 most wanted list. Why isn't that enough?

I believe that killers of this ilk will tell someone or let their actions be known, at least in the broad sense, maybe not the narrow scope.
There is something missing. Something big. I do not know what it is.

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Originally posted by arlen:

I am waiting for the media and authorities to tell me what to think.

Nothing makes any sense from what the media and authorities have told me. I am waiting for the official right-thinking opinion.

This is a problem, amigo. Don’t ever let someone else tell you what to think, especially the media, and usually not authorities.

You have to do your own thinking. All you can hope for is that you get the right facts, and complete, and you have to be wary about that. As a matter of fact, one of the things you have to think about is whether you are getting the right true facts.

One of the real problems we have, more so than in the past, is that events seem to be run through a pr filter, a pc filter, so its harder to tell what is right, true, the facts and nothing but the facts.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

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Originally posted by arlen:

I am waiting for the media and authorities to tell me what to think.

Nothing makes any sense from what the media and authorities have told me. I am waiting for the official right-thinking opinion.

This is a problem, amigo. Don’t ever let someone else tell you what to think, especially the media, and usually not authorities.

I suspect arlen was being sarcastic with those comments because of the criticisms he has received due to his earlier statements.

But your point, JALLEN, bears repeating: We need to gather what facts we can and draw our own conclusions.

I will, therefore, endorse the first part of his statement: “I am waiting.” That’s what I’m doing now because we don’t have all the facts that will ultimately become available, and it’s foolish, IMO, to do more that wait for further information before drawing any conclusions about many aspects of this matter. It’s fun to speculate, I realize, and it doesn’t really matter if we don’t have responsibility for actually doing anything in the case, but keep in mind that speculating in public can result in embarrassment later.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
The bodies are buried out near Terlingua.

Maybe that's what makes the Chili so good?

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Originally posted by arlen:
I believe that killers of this ilk will tell someone or let their actions be known, at least in the broad sense, maybe not the narrow scope.
There is something missing. Something big. I do not know what it is.

A few years back we had this guy in the Pacific Northwest named Gary Ridgeway. Did some seriously evil shit, then one day it just all stopped. He didn’t fit any FBI profile, didn’t “act” like other serial killers, all the geniuses had a theory... More than one killer, killed by a would-be victim, incarcerated for another crime, moved to a different location, etc.

He finally got caught many years after his last crime due to advances in DNA. He was extensively interviewed, allowed a plea deal where he agreed to cooperate to close more cases and “learn” what makes such a criminal tick to avoid execution.

In the end, it turned out he was just plain evil, no deep sinister plan, no driving religious extremism, just wanted to get laid for free, kill people, and screw dead women. Figured the best way to do so would be to get a hooker, kill them, and do his thing. He figured they were “just” hookers and no one would miss them. He had his “episode” that lasted a number of years and then got over it and went on with life. Got a job, married a good woman was just a regular guy - except that he was evil and for a period of time he couldn’t control it.

Not to sound callous, but basically his motivation for killing over 70 women, essentially in his own words was “Because I wanted to”.


You’ll drive yourself crazy trying to understand the “reason” for evil. Mental illness, psychosis, whatever - evil is evil. It doesn’t need a reason and it doesn’t make sense. Sometimes we find the motivation, sometimes the motivation is never discovered.

I think it's a natural reaction to find a 'reason' for such heinous acts. Just chalking it up to "he was crazy/a mean, hateful sob" fails to provide closure. Rational people cannot understand the sheer irrationality of these acts.

Therefore, we get the moonbat theories to 'explain' his actions.

As has been stated more than once here, you can't rationalize crazy. . .

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Originally posted by arlen:

There is something missing. Something big. I do not know what it is.

How about "Occam's Razor"?

He was BAT-SHIT CRAZY. Period. No conspiracy, no CIA/fbi/Russians/Democrats, Alien ass probes, Elvis, Fluoride in the water, the dog made him do it, Illuminati, too much rap music & video games, Clinton's hit man...

He was CRAZY.

(Hint: Crazy people do crazy shit. They often do crazy shit without warning, telling people, a "coherent" motive or rationale. That's why they are CRAZY.)

You can go on pondering anything you want. Believe whatever goofy theory, listen to the tinfoil helmet & jockstrap crowd. But the simple truth to this is: Stevie Paddock was fuckin' NUTS.

Want proof? Sane, normal, rational people DO NOT dump a ton of rounds on innocent concert goers.

Ok, now there's reports of his net worth, he possibly left trajectory calculations behind, he was a "successful" gambler... That tends to prove that he was intelligent. However, SMART and SANE are two totally different things.

Doctor Jekyll and Mr Hyde reside in all of us, it comes down to who is stronger.

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Originally posted by arlen:
The longer that the authorities fumble around and not give a motive the Las Vegas shooting, the more I lean toward a conspiracy theory for the shooting.
Specifically that Paddock was conducting a gun deal for the FBI and it went south. Nothing else makes any sense.

You can't see for yourself what his motive was?

Let me explain it for you.

His motive was the urge to kill and injure people using a firearm.

Motive.

^^^

Yep.

And since the subject is fresh, I have a couple of questions. And commentary.


Why is it so damned important to "have a reason"? And why does it matter?

There is no justifying it, which is what "reason"(ing) is all about.

Like fingernails on a slate, drives me up a wall with people going on and on about reason, or "why he did it".

Not one person lying there dying is going to celebrate his "reason".

No parent, child, sibling friend is going to find their loss and anguish assuaged at any "reason" or "why".

And no "reason" is likely to prevent another like this.

The faster we realize anyone can do such a thing, the quicker "gun control" and many other silly notions that plague us via the left and GDCs, will be better battled against.

The world is harsh, and the universe doesn't give a shit.

Once a person understand that, life is much easier to navigate, one puts on long pants, and gloves and goes about dealing with the day to day harsh things.

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Not to sound callous, but basically his motivation for killing over 70 women, essentially in his own words was “Because I wanted to”.


You’ll drive yourself crazy trying to understand the “reason” for evil. Mental illness, psychosis, whatever - evil is evil. It doesn’t need a reason and it doesn’t make sense. Sometimes we find the motivation, sometimes the motivation is never discovered.

That's well said 911Boss. It's hard to accept that people like this exist in the world. It just doesn't add up. So we rack our brains looking for other reasons. Oftentimes we find other reasons. Sometimes we don't.

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Originally posted by arlen:
Nothing makes any sense from what the media and authorities have told me. I am waiting for the official right-thinking opinion.

Why can't the answer be that there is no answer? Why can't it be that this guy kept his plan entirely secret, told no one ever, left no written evidence? Why can't it be that the guy committed this insane act simply because he was insane?

It's like someone said earlier in the thread about Posner's comment in Case Closed- people look at the Kennedy assassination and they need to balance out the scales of the enormity of the crime by refusing to accept that a dysfunctional white trash loser changed history all by himself. It can't be Oswald alone. There has to be a supremely elaborate supporting network behind Oswald, or he was simply a patsy. The truth has been staring some people in the face for more than half a century and they still can't see it because it's outside of their paradigm.

The police may be obligated to provide the public with their findings but the Universe doesn't owe us jack shit.

'The most vanilla profile one could possibly imagine': Casino CEO Steve Wynn says Stephen Paddock was well-known by his staff and seemed like 'a rational man'

Help me understand "vanilla profile" and "rational man".

It has been reported, leading up to this massacre he was gambling $10,000 an hour.
I have also heard reported that he had winnings of $5 million last year.

Does a rational man gamble at that rate?.
How is it possible to gamble in Las Vegas and come out $5 million ahead in a year?

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
^^^

Yep.

And since the subject is fresh, I have a couple of questions. And commentary.


Why is it so damned important to "have a reason"? And why does it matter?

There is no justifying it, which is what "reason"(ing) is all about.

Like fingernails on a slate, drives me up a wall with people going on and on about reason, or "why he did it".

Not one person lying there dying is going to celebrate his "reason".

No parent, child, sibling friend is going to find their loss and anguish assuaged at any "reason" or "why".

And no "reason" is likely to prevent another like this.

The faster we realize anyone can do such a thing, the quicker "gun control" and many other silly notions that plague us via the left and GDCs, will be better battled against.

The world is harsh, and the universe doesn't give a shit.

Once a person understand that, life is much easier to navigate, one puts on long pants, and gloves and goes about dealing with the day to day harsh things.

Because humans cannot deal with randomness.....they must assign a reason otherwise it scares the sheeple.

Evil exists and there is not always a reason for it.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
'The most vanilla profile one could possibly imagine': Casino CEO Steve Wynn says Stephen Paddock was well-known by his staff and seemed like 'a rational man'

Help me understand "vanilla profile" and "rational man".

It has been reported, leading up to this massacre he was gambling $10,000 an hour.
I have also heard reported that he had winnings of $5 million last year.

Does a rational man gamble at that rate?.
How is it possible to gamble in Las Vegas and come out $5 million ahead in a year?

The story I saw indicated income of $5 million or more, but not necessarily all from gambling. No breakdown was given. A source in IRS, apparently, supposed to be illegal.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

A source in IRS, apparently, supposed to be illegal.

As if that ever stopped the IRS.