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I do not believe the security guard who caused the mass murderer to stop shooting and kill himself was armed. I don't even think the guard had any idea of what was going on in that room or outside.


Correct. He was unarmed. I believe he was responding to the smoke alarm, not knowingly confronting the shooter.

According the report I saw, only 17 of the 200 security guards at the Mandalay Bay are armed.


I stand corrected, I thought he was armed. Vegas security is often armed, considering the amount of money flowing in and out of the gaming floor.
 
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already has been reported, from a Florida source, that he was a registered Democrat. What mass shooter has not been?

Several pages back another member posted that there's a difference in middle initials between the shooter and the Democrat in Florida, was this discrepancy resolved?
 
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4. Shooting back up at him gives a poor angle for hitting him, particularly if he was recessed back in the room at all. Facing incoming rounds, at night, unknown wind conditions between the ground and the room, glittering & curved building structure make obtaining a good shooting resolution very challenging for most LEOs.

I've thought about that... and I think you are right. There was no good way to shoot back from the venue below.
It's a good thing that smoke alarm went off or he may have been shooting for a lot longer.



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Smile

Even if only CS gas.
 
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already has been reported, from a Florida source, that he was a registered Democrat. What mass shooter has not been?

Several pages back another member posted that there's a difference in middle initials between the shooter and the Democrat in Florida, was this discrepancy resolved?


This was being discussed on local radio this morning. Both names with middle initials "C" and "G" showed a record of the same address here in Viera. The theory is that the discrepancy resulted from a clerical error
 
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Ah, makes sense. Thanks.
 
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already has been reported, from a Florida source, that he was a registered Democrat. What mass shooter has not been?

Several pages back another member posted that there's a difference in middle initials between the shooter and the Democrat in Florida, was this discrepancy resolved?


This was being discussed on local radio this morning. Both names with middle initials "C" and "G" showed a record of the same address here in Viera. The theory is that the discrepancy resulted from a clerical error


Could be. My middle initial is different on some reports due to a mistake on a loan I had once.


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400 yard police sniper policy -
Please benchmark this off of your departments worse sniper's ability. If say y'all decide say the target must be 1 foot away from any innocents. Then vet by standing the policy approvers said distance from a live fire target. I understand if it is 1 innocent vs 20 innocents it may suck to be the one near the bad guy.

Suppressor BS - He's dead Jim, but I guess add a tax avoidance charge for no form 4?
Shooting from inside a fair sized room, through a hole. Gas expands inside room suppressing sound.
 
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1. It already has been reported, from a Florida source, that he was a registered Democrat. What mass shooter has not been?

2. If the NRA had tried to make a hot red line stand against bump stocks then they could have risked being shut out of the conversation. This gives them a seat at the table.

3. Wonder if some TV cop show will have an episode mirroring this sometime? I'm afraid some in the media are already spinning such plots.

4. Shooting back up at him gives a poor angle for hitting him, particularly if he was recessed back in the room at all. Facing incoming rounds, at night, unknown wind conditions between the ground and the room, glittering & curved building structure make obtaining a good shooting resolution very challenging for most LEOs.

5. If anything, while there was still a massive crowd to aim at overall, the bump stocks may have prevented him from hitting any one target that he, in his demonic mind, might have selected. This says nothing to distract from the abject tragedy of the whole situation, but perhaps there were some rounds that skipped harmlessly off the pavement without hurting anyone because of the negative effects of the gimmick stocks. One may hope that was the case.


We train out to 300 yards with iron sights. Our patrol rifles optics are not magnified. I can do pretty well with my Eotech out to 500 yards if I turn the red dot down to it lowest light setting.

I'm not sure we need to hit him. As A1 said earlier in this thread, If we can get some rounds in the room, I'm betting that he would have scurried off and killed himself. Most of these guys quit at the first sign of resistance. We don't carry long guns at big arenas and events because admin is afraid it looks like military mentality. Perhaps its time to rethink that mentality.
 
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I'm not sure we need to hit him. As A1 said earlier in this thread, If we can get some rounds in the room, I'm betting that he would have scurried off and killed himself. Most of these guys quit at the first sign of resistance. We don't carry long guns at big arenas and events because admin is afraid it looks like military mentality. Perhaps its time to rethink that mentality.


What about landing rounds in other people's rooms?

Exigency can cover a lot, but hitting bystanders from 400 yards away is still setting yourself up to be every plaintiff's lawyer's [dream] next-meal.
 
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My .02 fwiw:

- I don't think the shooter was insane. I think he was a psychopath, a heritable trait likely from his father. This lack of empathy enabled him to do what he did, not insanity.

- I spent a lot of time around casinos, having worked in them for many years. My guess would be that he'd gambled away most of his retirement nest egg and isn't as "wealthy" as his brother thinks. The shooting is a big f-u to Vegas and probably Mandalay Bay in particular.

- I've thought since the 2016 run-up to the election that POTUS will sign any gun-control legislation that lands on his desk, if he thinks it will make him popular or look smart or like a winner. I've never believed he has any particular attachment to the 2A. He's a New Yorker and he's personally always been able to get whatever guns he wants/needs anyway. I also don't think his sons will be able to change his mind, any more than his daughter has been able to on the issues she cares about.

- Bump stocks will likely end up banned.

- The silencer bill will likely get tabled.
 
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That CBS lawyer that opened her trap now says she is getting death threats on face book. I have no sympathy for her!


I doubt it. She is using it for sympathy and to make herself a victim. Its the liberal way.


I'm sure she is. She's probably thinking "They have no sympathy for me, why did I get fired for it?" She's too stupid to realize the 58 that died in Vegas were minding their own business, having a good time with friends and family, at a concert. SHE was being an America-hating liberal shitbag. Consequences are a bitch, huh?


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What about landing rounds in other people's rooms?

+1 It's an occupied hotel faced with windows. This thread's drifted off the planet.


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Heads up if you're interested, Chris Cox will be on Tucker tonight and LaPierre will be on Hannity tonight.
 
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Heads up if you're interested, Chris Cox will be on Tucker tonight and LaPierre will be on Hannity tonight.


I love watching Tucker debate these idiots. He's destroying some Brady Campaign moron right now. She has nothing.


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I do not believe the security guard who caused the mass murderer to stop shooting and kill himself was armed. I don't even think the guard had any idea of what was going on in that room or outside.


Correct. He was unarmed. I believe he was responding to the smoke alarm, not knowingly confronting the shooter.

According the report I saw, only 17 of the 200 security guards at the Mandalay Bay are armed.


I stand corrected, I thought he was armed. Vegas security is often armed, considering the amount of money flowing in and out of the gaming floor.


Security at Vegas casinos comes in two flavors. The armed guys are on the gaming floor looking for knuckleheads and minding the money; Mandalay has a lot more than 17. The unarmed guys are your standard hotel security, mainly dealing with the guests who are staying on property, overseeing the accommodation, restaurant and retail areas, along with handling guest relation-type issues.
 
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My .02 fwiw:

- I don't think the shooter was insane. I think he was a psychopath, a heritable trait likely from his father. This lack of empathy enabled him to do what he did, not insanity.

- I spent a lot of time around casinos, having worked in them for many years. My guess would be that he'd gambled away most of his retirement nest egg and isn't as "wealthy" as his brother thinks. The shooting is a big f-u to Vegas and probably Mandalay Bay in particular.

I agree. Psychopath who acted alone. I don't think he planned this for as long as what's being said. At the most a couple years.
All this he's been hiding his tracks for decades is hogwash. Apparently if you don't have an enormous social media footprint these days you are hiding your tracks.


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I don't think the shooter was insane. I think he was a psychopath, a heritable trait likely from his father. This lack of empathy enabled him to do what he did, not insanity.
You are splitting hairs. If you're a psychopath, you are insane. I'm not talking about legal definitions, Of course this asshole knew right from wrong, but it's very simple- no sane person commits an such as this. No one who is sane would do such a thing.

You can argue that 'til the cows come home, but that guy was nuts.
 
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Speaking of psychopaths, I ran across this picture of his father as compared to someone most of us would recognize. Eek

 
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James Spader?
 
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