Whether he was radicalized, a leftist or just absolutely bat-shit crazy, his evil killed innocents and has brought heart ache to thousands.

I find a few things odd the locking down of pumping out info by the cops, and the Feds not being so in charge and in everybody's face.

One strange things is when the ISIS claims responsibility they've only been proved false once, maybe the narrative isn't something well known to the government yet and the ship is quiet.

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Originally posted by was0311:
Grassy Knoll = Two Broken Windows.

Police used explosives during entry and also fired into the room. Their activity could easily account for the second broken window.

The whole thing is horrific and evil. I will wait to see how the investigation shakes out before I say more.
And I signed the petition.

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Originally posted by spunk639:

One strange things is when the ISIS claims responsibility they've only been proved false once, maybe the narrative isn't something well known to the government yet and the ship is quiet.

Attack in France, attack in Canada, then this.

And the wife is out of the country. Hmm.. when have we seen that before?

I just saw a news report that its possible that since this was SO far out of character for him, and when the SRT team made entry they fired weapons but he was already dead, that perhaps he really wasn't the shooter. They implied that someone else may have shot him and committed the crimes.

Seemed a little far fetched initially I admit. But two windows were broken a fair distance apart. I can't see him running back and forth. A few times I though I heard two different weapons firing at different rates. If it is true, knowing how police and the media work in this country, the real shooters could have made a clean get away given that they think the suspect is dead before they finally get to the video and see others going in and out of the room then leaving before SRT arrives. By then too late.

I guess we'll find out as the investigation deepens if this is far fetched media speculation, or if everyone got duped and it was someone else.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
I just saw a news report that its possible that since this was SO far out of character for him, and when the SRT team made entry they fired weapons but he was already dead, that perhaps he really wasn't the shooter. They implied that someone else may have shot him and committed the crimes.

Seemed a little far fetched initially I admit. But two windows were broken a fair distance apart. I can't see him running back and forth. A few times I though I heard two different weapons firing at different rates. If it is true, knowing how police and the media work in this country, the real shooters could have made a clean get away given that they think the suspect is dead before they finally get to the video and see others going in and out of the room then leaving before SRT arrives. By then too late.

I guess we'll find out as the investigation deepens if this is far fetched media speculation, or if everyone got duped and it was someone else.

As posted above: Police used explosives during entry and also fired into the room. Their activity could easily account for the second broken window.

If there was a second "real" shooter, where is that person? escaped through the air vent during the ruckus? broke the second window and base jumped down to the street? I don't think so.

He rented the room, the guns were his.

Until we see concrete evidence, the simplest explanation is that he was the shooter, and either he broke the second window or the police did when they made entry. If they made dynamic entry as claimed, it's very possible that a piece of the subsequent shrapnel broke the second window, or that their bullets did when the went in shooting.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:

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Originally posted by medic451:
Something else occured to me... this guy was a pilot and owned a plane or 2. Nothing was stopping him from loading it up with fuel and that ammonia nitrate they found, and crashing right into that crowd. If anything the casualty totals mighy have been higher. The guns werent a factor here, this guy had this exact plan all layed out for a while. I give up trying to rationalize it because its just not possible.

If I want to instill fear, terror, confusion, and mayhem I think putting rounds into a crowd numbering in the tens of thousands from an elevated position over a period of time is going to do that more effectively than crashing a small GA aircraft into it.

Dude definitely crazy, has to be. Not criminally insane though I don’t think. He knew what he was doing, knew it was wrong. Too much planning required for this and not something a raving lunatic is going to pull off.

Put me in the “I want to know his motivation” camp. Even if mentally imbalanced, there was a irrational motivation that led to this. Doesn’t excuse it. But if identified, it may be used to avoid such acts in the future.

I guess that was my point. Killing a bunch of people was certainly his objective, but he carefully chose and planned the exact manner in which he was going to do it- by mass shooting and to induce panic.

Rightwire, I think what you were hearing was the sound of the shots bouncing back from the other side of the hotel.

I noticed the same thing. It sounded like 2 shooters but the way the hotel is shaped probably reflected the noise back.

Mark

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Originally posted by mark_a:
Rightwire, I think what you were hearing was the sound of the shots bouncing back from the other side of the hotel.

I noticed the same thing. It sounded like 2 shooters but the way the hotel is shaped probably reflected the noise back.

Mark

Bullet impact followed by muzzle report.

Anyone hear anything more about the platforms he supposedly built at the windows to shoot from?

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Originally posted by Beanhead:
Anyone hear anything more about the platforms he supposedly built at the windows to shoot from?

Ive only heard of tri-pods mentioned in a few reports. Not sure if they ment bi-pods.

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Originally posted by Beanhead:
Anyone hear anything more about the platforms he supposedly built at the windows to shoot from?

Reports suggest that the 'automatic' rifles were fitted with Slide Fire (or similar) stocks. Not sure whether or not this was in addition to illegally converted rifles.

Figure these devices will soon be in the lib firing line.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Sigmanic:
OK if this is so, then what I keep wondering is why he had so many guns?

Why not?

Seriously, we sometimes tend to way over think these things.

'zackly. I live in UK, and I have nineteen guns. If I could accommodate them, I'd have more, too.

tac

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Originally posted by ulsterman:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by ulsterman:
No way I could know the reason he moved frequently. That's what the bunch at the FBI BSU are experts at. It's a red flag the police will investigate.

The guy was 64 years old. You're suggesting that having two dozen or so residences in 64 years is a "red flag".

Man, you guys need to step back for a minute and think about what you're saying. We're taking these scraps of information we've discovered about the man and assigning significance to them. This is exactly what 24 hour cable news is doing. They're trying to create a narrative out of incidental information. Please, just stop and think about what I'm saying.

It's just a guy who went nuts. Maybe he was nuts a for a while, but Jesus Christ, this is not the act of a sane person. It's just not. He was crazy. After all is said and done, I think that's all they're going to find.

Yes I am.

Is he/was he nuts? Think that's a gimme.

Anything that is outside the boundaries of normal, will be looked at. Average person moves somewhere in the range of 10 times in their life. BSU will be neck deep into this one.

my wife and i had moved 32 times through out our lives. 20+ as kids 12 or 13 married. We both have lived in 6 differrent states.

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Originally posted by spunk639:
One strange things is when the ISIS claims responsibility they've only been proved false once, maybe the narrative isn't something well known to the government yet and the ship is quiet.

Isis will take credit anywhere to help their image of terror - hell they said the eclipse was by them!

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
cra·zy
ˈkrāzē
informal
adjective
1.
mentally deranged, especially as manifested in a wild or aggressive way.


Why do people have such a difficult time understanding there ain't no understanding crazy, and the harder you try to make sense of crazy, the crazier it makes you?

That's nuts.

Stop it.

It's hard for people to imagine that such a monster walks among us. It is a copping mechanism. It's a lot easier to think his girlfriend radicalized him; there were multiple shooters; international terrorism; or space aliens. It's really hard to wrap your head around the fact that a human being is capable of doing this.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
I just saw a news report that its possible that since this was SO far out of character for him, and when the SRT team made entry they fired weapons but he was already dead, that perhaps he really wasn't the shooter. They implied that someone else may have shot him and committed the crimes.

Seemed a little far fetched initially....

"Initially"???

Guys, look, keep the silly-ass conspiracy garbage out of here. If you're that gullible, that's your problem, not ours.

Just cut it out, please. It's ridiculous. Stop listening to the IDIOTS passing for journalists these days. Really, do yourself a favor and stop listening to that fantasy horse shit.

Good grief

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Originally posted by tacfoley:

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OK if this is so, then what I keep wondering is why he had so many guns?

Why not?

'zackly. I live in UK, and I have nineteen guns. If I could accommodate them, I'd have more, too.

The original question was why he brought so many rifles into the hotel room, not how many he owned. That behavior does not make sense to a rational mind.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
I just saw a news report that its possible that since this was SO far out of character for him, and when the SRT team made entry they fired weapons but he was already dead, that perhaps he really wasn't the shooter. They implied that someone else may have shot him and committed the crimes.

Really. Let's see some proof. Maybe wait until there is some before this crap.

This is Vegas. There are cameras everywhere expect your hotel room and the bathrooms. I'm sure the police know how many people were in that room by now and what they looked like.

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Originally posted by rh:
The original question was why he brought so many rifles into the hotel room, not how many he owned. That behavior does not make sense to a rationale mind.

Yes, that was the point, and it's a valid one: "four Daniel Defense DDM4 rifles, three FN-15s, and other rifles made by Sig Sauer".

This suggests at least nine rifles, and I don't get the impression that's the tally. Let's say ten rifles and I think that's a conservative estimate.

Come on, gentlemen. Stop trying to weave some fantasy of other shooters in the room. There is ZERO evidence of that. You know that that's nothing more than mastubatory fantasies from people who actually believe that they are journalists. They're filling endless air time with childish speculation.

Come on. This is not rational. At least 10 rifles for one man? The guy was insane. By the acts he committed, he is insane in the clinical, actual sense. He was nuts. Good luck trying to explain the actions of a crazy man. Festooning a hotel room with AR15s, more than he could possibly use- this is not a sane person, and in the end, that's all they're going to find- no conversion to Islam, no extremist political leanings, no foreign girlfriend encouraging the guy to jihad. The guy's little riverboat grounded on a sand bar after its captain fled the wheelhouse.