I'm glad I let my NRA membership expire. To hell with the NRA.

Linked from Drudge:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...ed-100-000-hour.html

If he was gambling for long periods of time while drinking heavily, I am guessing he was on stimulants. You cant stay awake and alert that long, while drinking heavily, w/o something to balance the alcohol. That also explains the valium RX, so he could sleep.

I think the guy was a very smart and psychotic drug freak.

Just my take.

Certainly we can't blame heavy drinking and gambling as contributors. Not in Vegas.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Certainly we can't blame heavy drinking and gambling as contributors. Not in Vegas.

No we cant. But we can examine if the guy was on stims over a long period of time, and if he was psychotic.

I am not blaming drinking and gambling. I do think the guy was intelligent, and also was completely whacked.

I believe he would never have involved anyone else in this plan, as that would have been a "weak link" in his mind. He was likely a control freak and would not have wanted to let any other people in on the plan. He wanted complete control over what he was doing.

As Para said, the LV sheriff was wrong. There is zero evidence of any others, involved in this event. The shooter wanted complete control over his plan.

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Originally posted by gw3971:

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Originally posted by Tommydogg:
That CBS lawyer that opened her trap now says she is getting death threats on face book. I have no sympathy for her!

I doubt it. She is using it for sympathy and to make herself a victim. Its the liberal way.

Dave Rubin just interviewed a girl that uncovered the fact that all of these facebook death threats and twitter death threats are all manufactured by bots and are almost completely fake.

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Originally posted by arfmel:
"quotidian"

He sure talks pretty.

I broke my quotidian once. True story.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Surely a trained sniper can reliably hit a person from that distance and elevation change with all the wizz bang gear, big assed optics, a rangefinder, firm shooting position, spotters, etc.

Right?

That would be my expectation.

The big uncertainty is whether a trained and properly-equipped sniper would be in position at the scene to respond immediately. If one wasn’t set up at this scene, it’s extremely unlikely that even a sniper who was on call with a SWAT team would have had time to respond during the 10 minutes from start to finish of the murderer’s killing spree—and not least because finding a good supported firing position, especially to shoot up at such a steep angle, might be extremely difficult and time-consuming.

As for just returning effective fire from 300 to 400 yards with a nonmagnifying optic on a patrol rifle, well, if someone is convinced he can do that without worrying about any of the bullets raining down around him or about where any of his possibly errant rounds may go, I can only wish him the best of luck in that endeavor. I shoot my ARs a lot, but the ones with Aimpoints aren’t used to engage man-sized targets from at 300+ yards and beyond and I strongly doubt that very many other LEOs do that either. It’s one thing to shoot steel plates at a range, it’s quite another to try to engage a hostile shooter under the conditions that existed at the time in Las Vegas.

Like many other first time incidents, though, I imagine this one will give police trainers and administrators much to think about. I’m definitely doing that myself even though four-five stories is as high as any of our buildings get.

My response/viewpoint to the NRA's concession on the Bump Stocks is mixed. While I don't like giving ground in protection of the 2A, the Bump Stock isn't something I personally see as worth the effort. As far as the slippery slope and the antigunners coming back for something else...they are always trying to cherry pick and try for one more thing. Immediately after Vegas, the hue and cry was about suppressors and weren't we lucky the shooter didn't use "silencers" and boy, we better not liberalize the availability of them going forward. The other side is not going to be satisfied whether they were successful restricting Bump Stocks on not.

Personally I am less worried about the NRA than I am about the POTUS getting rolled by his pals Chuck and Nancy.....

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
As for just returning effective fire from 300 to 400 yards with a nonmagnifying optic on a patrol rifle, well, if someone is convinced he can do that without worrying about any of the bullets raining down around him or about where any of his possibly errant rounds may go, I can only wish him the best of luck in that endeavor.

Right. The idea that law enforcement could have engaged the shooter with handguns or unmagnified rifles from the ground 400 yards away is almost as asinine as the suggestion much earlier in the thread that they should have simply entered the neighboring hotel room and pumped rounds through the wall into the shooter's suite.

These scenarios show zero concern for what happens when the rounds being fired from the ground impact the windows of other nearby rooms or penetrate the ceiling of the shooter's hotel room, or when the rounds being blindly fired through the wall of the neighboring room miss the perp, go through the giant floor-to-ceiling windows taking up two of the room's walls, and continue on down the Strip before eventually impacting something/someone.

Law enforcement cannot afford to simply rake a heavily occupied hotel's face with gunfire, or fire blindly in the general direction of the shooter from inside the hotel. These may be acceptable tactics for the military in a war zone, but not for law enforcement in a crowded urban area. They're responsible for every single bullet that's fired, and the risk to the public if suggestions like these are followed would be far too great.

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Originally posted by stickman428:
I'm glad I let my NRA membership expire. To hell with the NRA.

Well, let's see what actually becomes of this. Their statement I took more as a "non-statement statement."

Anyway, I'm not worried about the NRA. I'm worried about what law Congress might pass and the President might sign more than I am the NRA.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by stickman428:
I'm glad I let my NRA membership expire. To hell with the NRA.

Well, let's see what actually becomes of this. Their statement I took more as a "non-statement statement."

Anyway, I'm not worried about the NRA. I'm worried about what law Congress might pass and the President might sign more than I am the NRA.

They will not blow up their base.

I think the response was exemplary--I haven't heard of any reports of things having been done "wrong." 10 minutes to locate the shooter, and to bring an armed response to bear, is about as good as we can hope for.

The only thing that could have improved the outcome would be to have SWAT or SWAT-like Security units staged on-site at each and hotel. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the way hotels choose to prepare for future attacks.

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Originally posted by FishOn:

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Originally posted by Copefree:
NRA supports federal review of bump stocks

They are going to "throw a maiden into the volcano"
on this one. Ban bump stocks and F-off on everything else.

It won't be enough.

^^^^^

Haha, perfect.

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Originally posted by Aeteocles:
I think the response was exemplary--I haven't heard of any reports of things having been done "wrong." 10 minutes to locate the shooter, and to bring an armed response to bear, is about as good as we can hope for.

The only thing that could have improved the outcome would be to have SWAT or SWAT-like Security units staged on-site at each and hotel. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the way hotels choose to prepare for future attacks.

I think you're attributing actions performed by some people as the product of a planned and orderly response.

I do not believe the security guard who caused the mass murderer to stop shooting and kill himself was armed. I don't even think the guard had any idea of what was going on in that room or outside. I just thank God that he was not standing in front of the door when he knocked or that he had the reflexes to move out of the way when the first of 200 rounds came through the door.

Perhaps we'll learn more about that small but of so critical event, and with what we "know" at the moment, that security guard deserves all the accolades and rewards.

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Originally posted by FishOn:
They will not blow up their base.

I'll take that bet.

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Originally posted by NikonUser:
I do not believe the security guard who caused the mass murderer to stop shooting and kill himself was armed. I don't even think the guard had any idea of what was going on in that room or outside.

Correct. He was unarmed. I believe he was responding to the smoke alarm, not knowingly confronting the shooter.

According the report I saw, only 17 of the 200 security guards at the Mandalay Bay are armed.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Sorry can't resist.... What if the investigation revels that he is a registered Democrat?

The media will

If he was a Republican, it would already be out in the news and they would have started getting pitchforks and torches...

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Leftist a-holes:
"Don't Ask Me To Pray For Victims" -
Harvard Professor Calls NRA a "Domestic Terrorist Organization"

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Mr. Harvard University professor wrote his self a purty speech. Big flowery words, apple an oranges comparisons, all to ascribe a human condition to a country he hates. Assured that the Dunning Kruger audience will praise him, and swallow his gospel.

Upon hearing about Sunday night's atrocity in Las Vegas, I like most folks thoughts on the shooter, was "that boy ain't right". Mental illness is not an American peculiarity. It is a human affliction shared world wide.

If his call was to seek answers on healing mental illness, I'm all for it.
As it stands
Mr Harvard University Richard Cranium can slide his hatred up his colon, right past his head.

1. It already has been reported, from a Florida source, that he was a registered Democrat. What mass shooter has not been?

2. If the NRA had tried to make a hot red line stand against bump stocks then they could have risked being shut out of the conversation. This gives them a seat at the table.

3. Wonder if some TV cop show will have an episode mirroring this sometime? I'm afraid some in the media are already spinning such plots.

4. Shooting back up at him gives a poor angle for hitting him, particularly if he was recessed back in the room at all. Facing incoming rounds, at night, unknown wind conditions between the ground and the room, glittering & curved building structure make obtaining a good shooting resolution very challenging for most LEOs.

5. If anything, while there was still a massive crowd to aim at overall, the bump stocks may have prevented him from hitting any one target that he, in his demonic mind, might have selected. This says nothing to distract from the abject tragedy of the whole situation, but perhaps there were some rounds that skipped harmlessly off the pavement without hurting anyone because of the negative effects of the gimmick stocks. One may hope that was the case.