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Originally posted by Rightwire:
…but also is not under threat of return fire…

Good point.

That’s not the case at the schools my kids go to. At the one school, there’s an armed security guard, at the other campus police have a man stationed in the school. The buildings are small and either of these guys could get anywhere in their building from anywhere in their building in less than a minute.

I wonder how much of a deterrent that is to a crazy person though.

From video if you first freeze the video that 92fstech links to at dailymail if you freeze at ~38 seconds you will see the scope is a Vortex. Appears to be a 1-8 strike eagle in FDE.

Great shooting by Engelbert!

Now everyone involved has to deal with loss of a family member, others PTSD, etc. because this chick didnt want to live, selfish bitch!

Can't wait to find out what was in her "manifesto".

Also, the parent has to be pretty detached to not have a clue the daughter collected some firearms.

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Originally posted by HK Ag:
From video if you freeze the video that 92fstech links to at dailymail if you freeze at ~38 seconds you will see the scope is a Vortex. Appears to be a 1-8 strike eagle in FDE.

I’m not an expert, but I thought it looked like a Razor 1-10x24 in that Vortex burnt copper color. They’re a little pricier than the Strike Eagle and are a First Focal Plane scope. Most of the time it looked like he was using the red dot mounted on the right hand side at 45 degrees.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Trans Activists Called For ‘Day Of Vengeance’ Before Nashville Shooting

Note GI Jane has 2 trans kids. Gee I wonder where the real problem might be.

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Originally posted by HK Ag:
From video if you first freeze the video that 92fstech links to at dailymail if you freeze at ~38 seconds you will see the scope is a Vortex. Appears to be a 1-8 strike eagle in FDE.

Great shooting by Engelbert!

Now everyone involved has to deal with loss of a family member, others PTSD, etc. because this chick didnt want to live, selfish bitch!

Yeah, that ain't a Strike Eagle.

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Originally posted by AUTiger89:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
This fool's entire life screams LOSER.

Living with mummy and daddy at 28. LOSER

Exactly right. And her parents facilitated her mental illness. Her mother called for strict gun control, but 7 firearms were found in her house.
Who Was Audrey Hale?

Add in clueless parents. Supposedly under treatment for an “emotional disorder”, parents thought she shouldn’t have guns, thought she had only one, but had sold it. Never checked her room for the 7 guns she had in there. Saw her leaving the house that day with a big bag, asked what was in it, but just blew it off when she didn’t answer.

Define Irony: Killer came from a religious family with a mother who has called for stricter gun control

Norma's (mother) own posts decrying school shootings and calling for increased gun control have emerged in the wake of Hale's massacre at the school she once attended.

On February 21, 2018, she posted a petition to make large-capacity gun magazines illegal to her page as a response to the horrors at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012.

And on March 8, 2018, she posted a petition to keep guns out of schools with the caption: 'So important!'

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Those poor children. This is so avoidable. The answer is clear for those with eyes to see. Evil, selfish rectums will always target the defenseless. The answer is to create an active vicious defense.

I noticed in the video how the officer maintained his AR with the safety on and thumb resting on the lever. If that is protocol, imagine the concentration it would take to clear a room and thumb the safety only when need be. All while battling emotion and tracking the perp.

Having had the distinct pleasure of taking a carbine class with jljones & Doc Steve, I can understand where that comes from. The “golden hour” isn’t really a thing with rifle wounds. With appropriate training and practice, taking the safety off becomes part of the firing process. Go to the barricade, assume a position, get set, aim, safety off, fire. Safety back on, move over six to twelve inches and up six to twelve inches to the next spot, get set, aim, safety off, fire. Rinse, repeat. If you’re shooting, the safety is off, if you’re not shooting, the safety is on.

I’m not at the point where it is totally unconscious yet (need to spend more time with the AR), but I can see how one can get there.

It's a common safety tactic for hunters; even when you are bird hunting.

They count suicide as violence to their community and blame it on those who disapprove of their perversions and recruitment of children. This genocide is of their own making and innocent, principled people are scapegoated and now targeted for retaliation. Only a sick mind could perceive such contortions as real. Forgive me but I’m beginning to see why the Taliban throws the knuckleheads off the roof.

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I noticed in the video how the officer maintained his AR with the safety on and thumb resting on the lever. If that is protocol, imagine the concentration it would take to clear a room and thumb the safety only when need be. All while battling emotion and tracking the perp.

If you’re shooting, the safety is off, if you’re not shooting, the safety is on.

Yes, that's the typical way of using an AR-style patrol rifle.

The selector stays on Safe until you're preparing to shoot, and goes back on Safe as soon as you no longer need to shoot. Flicking the safety off becomes instantaneous and instinctual with a bit of training.

Just like keeping your finger off the trigger until you're actually preparing to shoot, you keep the safety on until you're actually preparing to shoot.

A common adage is "off safety, on trigger / off trigger, on safety".

So, was the Daily Wire the primary target?

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Comparing and contrasting the video of the shooter and the body cam video of the police, the shooter looks someone meandering the halls wondering where everybody is. The police on the other hand show skill and intent purpose as they navigate the halls.

This really stuck out to me as well. The shooter is wandering aimlessly unsure of where to go. Meanwhile, the administrator who meets the cops outside knows where the kids are and has a surprisingly accurate roll call (“2 kids we don’t know where they are”). Combine that with the adult to child causality ratio, and I think this school did an amazing job responding as well. No response can be perfect, and they protected a lot of kids.

There were a lot of heroes there that day.

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Originally posted by Shackelford:
This really stuck out to me as well. The shooter is wandering aimlessly unsure of where to go. Meanwhile, the administrator who meets the cops outside knows where the kids are and has a surprisingly accurate roll call (“2 kids we don’t know where they are”). Combine that with the adult to child causality ratio, and I think this school did an amazing job responding as well. No response can be perfect, and they protected a lot of kids.

There were a lot of heroes there that day.

As details emerge about the shooter she went there as a child, and had a map of the school so she knew here way around. What struck me was that it appears she was baffled by lack of targets. I'm guessing she intended to walk into halls full of targets and found little.

That MIGHT have had something to do with her blasting her way through the front doors, which gave staff ample time to evacuate that immediate area and lock down.

Ahh... best laid plans ruined by incompetence.

Thankfully in this case!!!

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Define Irony: Killer came from a religious family with a mother who has called for stricter gun control

Wonder if part of the goal was to hurt her mother for her childhood, the decisions to put her in a Christian School, other things that happened during her early years.... So you go to that school and shoot it up, knowing your moms social media posts will come up, hurt the family.

Suicides tend to be to hurt the living since the one doing it has given up, either by cop or themselves.

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Originally posted by Shackelford:

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Comparing and contrasting the video of the shooter and the body cam video of the police, the shooter looks someone meandering the halls wondering where everybody is. The police on the other hand show skill and intent purpose as they navigate the halls.

This really stuck out to me as well. The shooter is wandering aimlessly unsure of where to go. Meanwhile, the administrator who meets the cops outside knows where the kids are and has a surprisingly accurate roll call (“2 kids we don’t know where they are”). Combine that with the adult to child causality ratio, and I think this school did an amazing job responding as well. No response can be perfect, and they protected a lot of kids.

There were a lot of heroes there that day.

I understand it was 14 minutes, from first 911 call to dead shooter. Damned good job, LE.

But 14 minutes is still a lifetime for those trapped in a school situation. This school was somewhat fortunate that the shooter was not rushed and motivated to maximize bodycount. She lingered a bit in that first entry hallway, an armed adult who knew what they were doing could have taken her down quickly.

A good example is the White Settlement church shooting a few years ago near Ft Worth TX:



If one didn't see the footage, the shooter pulled out a shotgun from underneath his coat and started to shoot people in the back of the church, killing two and injuring one until a volunteer security person open carrying a Sig P229 killed the guy with one shot, less than 10 secs after the killer pulled out his shotgun. Here is a youtube link, age restricted. There were also some other parishioners that pulled out their CCWs, most after the guy was down. But imagine if no law abiding gun owners were in that room.

Shortly after, Gov. Abbott signed a bill protecting the right to carry in churches. And to my knowledge, there hasn't been a church shooting since in Texas. Schools really need to examine the use of armed security persons or armed adults on campus. In my mind, it is now the only logical step to get a handle on these events.

^^^ Allow teachers to be armed as well, if they wish to.

14 minutes is a long time for an active shooter but we should break it up from:

1. Times from first shots fried (shooting out glass in door to make entry), school going into lock down, and first calls to 911. It seems that this is where the victims were shot and killed.

2. When officers arrive on scene, they form teams and immediately make entry. Absent active shooting and killing, they begin a systematic hunt for the shooter.

3. Shooter fires rounds on the second floor, officers immediately respond, engage, and put down shooter. In the body camera videos, it was around 40 seconds from when the officers heard the shoots being fired on the second floor to the shooter being put down.

BTW - Thank You Para.

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Originally posted by Shackelford:

…Meanwhile, the administrator who meets the cops outside knows where the kids are and has a surprisingly accurate roll call (“2 kids we don’t know where they are”…

She was calm, cool, and collected. The head count is part of the fire and lockdown drills. When I sub, I really try to keep track of who is where at all times. For a lockdown, I text how many students I have, how many are absent, and any anomalies like so and so is in the bathroom or I have such and such with me. Fire drills are a little different because we are all lined up outside and the admins walk up to each teacher and ask. They radio the numbers to the person keeping tally to give to the firefighters.