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Originally posted by sigalert:
The families of the victims don’t carry enough political capital for the administration to bother. It’s Tennessee after all.

Biden or Harris attending a funeral for a Christian in a red state? Not gonna happpen. Plus they want to divert the media away from a trans murderer.

More invented racism? Gun control? She's there!

I am still waiting for the trans murderer's "manifesto" to be released. I suspect it is not being released because it will say in plain language that the killer's motive was to advance a twisted pro-trans agenda.

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Originally posted by Fed161:
I am still waiting for the trans murderer's "manifesto" to be released. I suspect it is not being released because it will say in plain language that the killer's motive was to advance a twisted pro-trans agenda.

Please be patient! The FBI hasn't finished re-writing it!

a little bit of Kamala's speech in Tennessee:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/...hats-wrong-with-lady

now she screams and yells

excuse me. point of order please. you (the screeching person) said the demonstrators were shut down and expelled because of 'whose voices they were channelling'

. Umm no. They were shut down because they were shutting down other people's right to be heard. The bull horns indicate this wasn't exactly spontaneous either.

So don't interrupt the proceedings. Don't bring loudspeakers to the affair. And, don't be a dick and you don't get expelled. I hope I've helped with some grade school logic madame.

P.S. stop waving your arms. People are going to think you are unhinged.

^^^^^ And they'd be right . . . .

flashguy

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All schools have glass doors, smash an edge and make entry.

All schools should be using doors with laminated glass, or retrofitted with security film to prevent exactly what was shown in the Nashville video.

A better solution would be to have multiple knox boxes around the building, and let all of the officers/firefighters/ems to have keys that operate them.

A couple of members have brought up rubber door stops as being a good way to prevent entry into a classroom, which is good if the door(s) swing into the room. Is there such a portable and inexpensive solution for doors that swing out into the hall where the threat is coming from?

Does there need to be?

Bolstering the door from being pushed/kicked in is what the doorstops are for because the lock set latch is the only thing preventing that from happening.

With an out-swing door, the entire door jamb itself prevents the door from being pushed/kicked in. You can’t really force an out-swing door open by throwing your body weight into it.

Commercial doors that schools have typically have steel frames and the doors are at least solid core fire rated doors. Short of a crowbar, you won’t be able to apply enough force to the handle to pull the door open.

This thing about rubber door stops has me intrigued. Would also work on hotel room doors, right? Dorm rooms?

Here's a video on how to use a classroom chair to jam the door handle to prevent it being turned and to keep the door from being pulled open from the outside. If the door has a handle rather than a knob it is quite quick and effective.

https://youtube.com/shorts/2ZKqAuI6AXI?feature=share

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Originally posted by Fed161:
I am still waiting for the trans murderer's "manifesto" to be released. I suspect it is not being released because it will say in plain language that the killer's motive was to advance a twisted pro-trans agenda.

That manifesto will never see the light of day.

They did the same thing with the Christchurch shooter's manifesto, but they couldn't memory hole it fast enough because he posted it online first instead of leaving them a physical note to disappear. I read it about an hour after the video of the shooting hit the internet, which I also saw. In summary: Guy was worried that mass immigration was going to destroy Western society and culture, white people are being targeted, white people are being replaced, and if white people don't do something, descendants of Europe are going to disappear. He thought his shooting would cause mass shootings in the US, that federal government's response would be to try to confiscate guns, and as a result, there would be a civil war. He was hoping his actions would be a catalyst for the removal of what he saw as a corrupt global governance system, essentially.

That was in March of 2019.

The tranny manifesto would look positively outer orbit insane compared to that. Can't have people talking about the transagenda and what they actually think and believe, what they talk about with each other and are actually convinced of. That would be a problem, and not for the reasons they did their best to purge the other guy's views.

FBI is still examining. They used to be good at profiling. Not sure these days as they have become politized.

Well well well...

https://www.washingtontimes.co...acks-in-schools-whe/

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Does there need to be?

Bolstering the door from being pushed/kicked in is what the doorstops are for because the lock set latch is the only thing preventing that from happening.

With an out-swing door, the entire door jamb itself prevents the door from being pushed/kicked in. You can’t really force an out-swing door open by throwing your body weight into it.

Commercial doors that schools have typically have steel frames and the doors are at least solid core fire rated doors. Short of a crowbar, you won’t be able to apply enough force to the handle to pull the door open.

One of us isn't understanding the other.

If the door swings into the classroom, the rubber door stop inside the classroom will do a good job of preventing the threat from opening the door into the room.

If the door swings outward from the classroom to the hall, all the threat has to do is pull the handle and he/she has easy access to the classroom by just operating it in the manner in which it was designed. Why would you try to push/kick your way into an area where the only effort needed for ingress is to pull on the door?

Back to my question, are there ways to secure an outswinging door and prevent the threat from gaining access?

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Originally posted by marksman41:

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Does there need to be?

Bolstering the door from being pushed/kicked in is what the doorstops are for because the lock set latch is the only thing preventing that from happening.

With an out-swing door, the entire door jamb itself prevents the door from being pushed/kicked in. You can’t really force an out-swing door open by throwing your body weight into it.

Commercial doors that schools have typically have steel frames and the doors are at least solid core fire rated doors. Short of a crowbar, you won’t be able to apply enough force to the handle to pull the door open.

One of us isn't understanding the other.

If the door swings into the classroom, the rubber door stop inside the classroom will do a good job of preventing the threat from opening the door into the room.

If the door swings outward from the classroom to the hall, all the threat has to door is pull the handle and he/she has easy access to the classroom by just operating it in the manner in which it was designed. Why would you try to push/kick your way into an area where the only effort needed for ingress is to pull on the door?

Back to my question, are there ways to secure an outswinging door and prevent the threat from gaining access?

you could have a brace that hooks around the door handle and extends beyond the door frame, while not fail proof as it relies on the door handle not failing, it's be easy enough to broadly deploy.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
The whole Tennessee thing is interesting. Never knew you could expel an elected lawmaker in that manner.

What on earth, I just heard he's able to come back due to some vote taken by the city (or county?) council in his district.

Are they freaking kidding.

It's as if he's some kind of hero now. It's as if it never happened. Which makes one wonder if he will only do the same stupid stunt again.

^^^Maybe this incident should be investigated by the Tennessee State Police. I hear inciting an insurrection is frowned upon...

There have been no shooting attacks in schools where teachers can legally carry guns

Why are liberals so scared of this fact?

https://www.washingtontimes.co...acks-in-schools-whe/

Earlier this month, cameras filmed Rep. Jamaal Bowman, New York Democrat, yelling in the halls of Congress that “Republicans won’t do s—- when it comes to gun violence.” It’s a common refrain from gun control advocates.

“Force [Republicans] to respond!’ Mr. Bowman shouted. “Why the hell won’t they do anything to save America’s children? And let them explain that all the way up to Election Day on 2024.”

That was when one of us, Rep. Thomas Massie, Kentucky Republican, happened to walk by and pointed out, “Did you know there’s never been a school shooting in a school that allows teachers to carry?”

“Carry guns?!” Mr. Bowman shouted back at the top of his lungs. “More guns lead to more death!”

When Mr. Massie tried to respond, Mr. Bowman continued shouting so loudly that Mr. Massie could not be heard. Mr. Massie reminded Mr. Bowman that, at that very moment, both of them were being protected by guns in the U.S. Capitol.

Mr. Bowman, seemingly forgetting his request from just a minute earlier for Republicans to explain, even physically pushed between Mr. Massie and the cameras to prevent Mr. Massie from being heard.

What facts are Mr. Bowman so scared of? Why is it so upsetting for him to learn there have been no shooting attacks in schools where teachers can legally carry?

That statistic comes from the other author of this piece, John Lott. According to Michael Bloomberg’s gun violence news website, The Trace, Mr. Lott is a “major factor” behind why the U.S. hasn’t passed stronger gun control laws — an assertion that suggests the policies Mr. Lott supports caused mass public shootings.

Here’s the reality: Guns in the hands of teachers and other responsible citizens can prevent mass shootings.

On March 27, a mass murderer once again attacked a place where guns were already banned. Six were killed at The Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee.

As with many other mass public shootings, people with guns actually deterred the school shooter from attacking another potential location. In the words of Nashville Police Chief John Drake: “There was another location that was mentioned, but because of a threat assessment by the suspect of too much security, they decided not to.” It was soon revealed that she had passed up two different targets because “the security was too great to do what she wanted to do.”

Many other shooters have expressed similar fears of armed pushback. Last year, the shooter in Buffalo, New York, wrote: “Areas where CCW permits are low may also be good areas of attack.”

Most national media outlets refuse to report on that and also ignore similar explicit statements by other attackers. They also fail to report that 94% of mass public shootings occur in places where civilians are banned from having guns.

Twenty states already allow teachers to carry concealed handguns. In Utah and New Hampshire, any teacher with a concealed handgun permit can carry. In other states, it is up to school boards or superintendents to decide. And there have been no mass shootings under that policy.

Last week, Mr. Massie reintroduced the Safe Students Act to repeal the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act. The national default should not be to advertise our children as sitting ducks.

Naturally, everyone wants to do something to prevent this type of violence, but many of the proposals being talked about would do nothing to stop these attacks.

For example, within hours of the shooting at The Covenant School, President Biden called for an assault weapons ban. But even The Associated Press’ Stylebook recognizes that the term “assault weapon” conveys “little meaning” and is “highly politicized.” It’s nonsensical to ban guns just because they look like military weapons when they function exactly like semi-automatic hunting rifles.

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which was in place from 1994 to 2004, didn’t reduce the rate of mass public shootings that involved prohibited weapons.

Another favorite proposal from gun control advocates is background checks on the private transfer of guns. But that wouldn’t have stopped the school shooting in Nashville. In fact, there is not one mass public shooting this century that such laws would have stopped, even if they were in place and perfectly enforced.

Meanwhile, many Republicans are backing the federal Safe Schools Act, which is different from Mr. Massie’s bill and which would fund armed school safety officers. Having an armed ally in a school could indeed stop some attacks, but the drawback is that readily identifiable officers are an easy target for mass shooters.

Mr. Biden is right that schools shouldn’t be like prisons and lockdown drills are a sad reality today. But there is another alternative. Instead of posting gun-free zone signs in front of schools, let’s post signs warning attackers that there are staff members with concealed handguns.

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Originally posted by marksman41:


Back to my question, are there ways to secure an outswinging door and prevent the threat from gaining access?

Answered a couple of posts above yours.