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It makes me wonder; the forum members who think the murder of Brian Thompson was acceptable, what are their thoughts on the attempted assassination of Donald Trump?

Was that “acceptable” because his opponents dislike him?

Okay, so not caring that he was murdered… goes back to the question in my post above. I’m plying Devil’s advocate.

If you don’t care that Brian Thompson was murdered because you don’t agree with the decisions he made in his role as CEO, how is that any different than all the liberals who “didn’t care” that Donald Trump was almost assassinated?

Is Thompson’s murder okay because he was a scumbag, but the attempted assassination not okay because we all like Trump?

For me it has nothing to do with his position, I am an equal opportunity non-caring individual. Somebody I don't know gets killed I'll let the people that knew him feel emotional and hope the system administers the necessary justice.

I can't speak for the Leftists you reference in your post about what they think, feel, or desire.

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Originally posted by marksman41:
My apologies 12131, I completely misread what you wrote and took it to mean the opposite of what you said.

JAllen taught me to not type while angry, but I still have work to do in that regard.

^^^ All good. I've done my shares of misinterpreting others.

And, I apologize for blowing a gasket with profanity.

The question that I have is.. will his murderous act end up saving lives? We saw that BCBS almost immediately reversed some of their policies. My guess is that UHC and others will also review/revise their denial policies or reduce the denial rate.

The execs are all afraid of copycats.

Likely just a choice of words, however the violence done isn't the vehicle of change. It may turn out to be the scrutiny of the practice that this crime has publicized.

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I notice it got really quiet after I posted my question/analogy. Seems all the sympathizers of Brian’s murder don’t want to talk now.

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Originally posted by downtownv:
If this is true....https://www.facebook.com/reel/971725498318414

Para posted this on page 10.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...990053215#7990053215

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
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I notice it got really quiet after I posted my question/analogy. Seems all the sympathizers of Brian’s murder don’t want to talk now.

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Originally posted by downtownv:
If this is true....https://www.facebook.com/reel/971725498318414

Para posted this on page 10.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...990053215#7990053215

Killed it. they really seem to be the evil empire.

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
I notice it got really quiet after I posted my question/analogy. Seems all the sympathizers of Brian’s murder don’t want to talk now.

There are any number of reasons why every forum member wasn't staring at the last screen of this thread, avoiding all other facets of life, anxiously awaiting your next accusatory post and ready to post in reply.

Or perhaps Airsoft Guy said it well enough on p.12 where further response isn't necessary:

"I see it as similar to Marvin Heemeyer, I can understand why a person would do such a thing, and even sympathize with them, while still thinking it was an incorrect course of action."

Has there truly never in your life ever been a situation where you have thought/felt this way?

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Originally posted by marksman41:

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
I notice it got really quiet after I posted my question/analogy. Seems all the sympathizers of Brian’s murder don’t want to talk now.

There are any number of reasons why every forum member wasn't staring at the last screen of this thread, avoiding all other facets of life, anxiously awaiting your next accusatory post and ready to post in reply.

Or perhaps Airsoft Guy said it well enough on p.12 where further response isn't necessary:

"I see it as similar to Marvin Heemeyer, I can understand why a person would do such a thing, and even sympathize with them, while still thinking it was an incorrect course of action."

Has there truly never in your life ever been a situation where you have thought/felt this way?

+1 Its all subjective. The majority of this forum have cheered when some liberal politiion has died or gotten sick. How is it differnt fro, them wishing for Trumps death. And I accept that.

If I had to watch a loved one die after being denied treatment, I'd be tempted to seek vengence. thats human nature!!

In reply to Marksman41,

I’ll start off with one of the first things I said was “I’m playing Devil’s Advocate”.

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describes a situation where someone, given a certain point of view, takes a position they do not necessarily agree with (or simply an alternative position from the accepted norm), for the sake of debate or to explore the thought further using valid reasoning that both disagrees with the subject at hand and proves their own point valid.

I understand what you’re asking. I also understand your viewpoint (and many other’s) on this. I may not agree with your viewpoint and while I don’t like it, that’s one of the great things about our country, and this forum. It gives us the opportunity do discuss and debate these things.

My answer is a little odd. I have felt that the death of a person was okay (shitty politician dying of cancer for example) but not the outright murder of an innocent person. I say innocent in the sense that he was running a business. Were their business practices unethical that led to the death of people needing medical assistance, most likely so. He himself didn’t cause actual harm to a specific person. I know this is a razor thin edge where I don’t think he deserves to die because he personally wasn’t the direct cause of someone’s demise.

As Airsoft Guy stated, yes, I have felt that way toward child molestors and rapists. Those people have caused direct harm to other people, and in almost every case caused emotional harm that will haunt the victim for their life. In the case of child molestors I believe that they steal the souls of their victims. That said, they cause direct physical harm. That’s part of the difference for me.

I know we can go down the moral and ethical road of war crimes and Adolf Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, but the difference is that the three I listed commanded an order to kill people. In the case of Brian Thompson, he didn’t send down commands to kill people. I don’t think he actually wanted people to die. I don’t think Thompson’s intentions were to kill off a race or ethnic group or anyone.

There are people like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Diane Feinstein, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and many others to name a few, that I feel are disgusting human beings. As much contempt as I have for these people, I do not wish for nor would I find joy in them being murdered. At the end of the day they are someone’s family member.

I’m a pretty simple person when it comes to this kind of thing. My wife hates it. I say I’m like a light switch. I’m either on or off. There’s not really any in between.

So to answer your question more directly; I cannot sympathize with the murder of most anyone, especially an American Citizen who is not the direct cause of a heinous crime.

In these times where we can’t agree to disagree, I’m sure my beliefs will be picked apart and a crucifixion will be called for, but that’s where I stand on the matter.

If I don’t reply to this until 5-ish PM, it’s because I’m at work. I’m not ignoring anyone here.

^^^^^there is a line in the sand worth crossing. I just don’t think business disagreements are on the other side of it. Traitors and tyrants…….. they operate very close to it.

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
Okay, so not caring that he was murdered… goes back to the question in my post above. I’m plying Devil’s advocate.

If you don’t care that Brian Thompson was murdered because you don’t agree with the decisions he made in his role as CEO, how is that any different than all the liberals who “didn’t care” that Donald Trump was almost assassinated?

Is Thompson’s murder okay because he was a scumbag, but the attempted assassination not okay because we all like Trump?

Neither is "OK"... and it has nothing to do with whether you like the man or not.

I don't know if Thompson was a scumbag, or not. Murder is not "OK".

But personally caring is another matter. We only have so much time and emotional energy and personal attachment to care about a limited number of people.

I think 12131 summed it up on the prior page:

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No, they are not. Not caring is not the same as condoning. ...

Yup. Someone unknown to me was murdered. I shrugged and moved on. That ain't stating a different way that I supported/condoned the murder. No even close.

We have no idea what the motive was. It could be anything from a marital issue to a CIA hit. It is interesting that we all came to the same first guess that it was revenge for his company denying treatment, but statistically we should expect something involving lovers or, perhaps, criminal dealings.

He may or may not have deserved what he got. The shooter deserves to get what's coming to him. Sometimes doing the crime is worth the punishment, other times the crime is fully wrong.

I have started to respond several times and deleted the message because it wasn’t saying what I wanted it to. Maybe the same should have happened to this one, oh well.

UHC absolutely sounds like a scummy company. They may deserve to be sued out of existence. I don’t know enough about them to have an opinion. Brian Thompson may or may not have deserved what he got, I don’t know anything about him other than he was CEO of UHC and he was murdered. I don’t know his wife, but I assume she didn’t deserve to have her husband taken from her. I can’t imagine that his children deserved to have their father taken from them.

Whether Mr. Thompson deserved what he got or not, the murderer who delivered it was in the wrong. It is possible that if I read or heard what motivated him to murder that I might be able to understand what drove him to do what he did, but I cannot imagine that any motivation he might have had would lead me to condone what he did.

They have someone in questioning in Altoona, PA.

They got him at a McDonalds with a suppressed weapon.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/09...er-monday/index.html

His judgement day should have been in a courtroom not in the streets.

Have to add we've had UHC for many years through the wifes work. There have been some surgery, lots of tests, Dr Appointments, higher priced meds, and not once, not one single time has any claim been challenged, reduced, or denied.

HRK, the woman in the video that Para linked talks in very specific terms, and talks statistically. It's good that you had a good experience, but it's not really relevant to the discussion at hand.

There is a point where "corrupt" becomes "evil." If the charges against it are true – and they are corroborated many times over on X-- United Healthcare crossed that line.

No, I'm not trying to justify vigilante justice. We have to remain a nation under the rule of law.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
They have someone in questioning in Altoona, PA.

They got him at a McDonalds with a suppressed weapon.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/09...er-monday/index.html

New York Post

https://nypost.com/2024/12/09/...&utm_campaign=nypost

A person of interest was nabbed Monday in the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson — busted possibly trying to use a fake ID in a McDonald’s, law enforcement sources said.

The man — who sources said is being eyed for the coldblooded, targeted execution in front of a Manhattan hotel last week — allegedly had a manifesto on him when he was taken into custody by cops in Altoona, Pa.

He also had a gun, silencer, four fake IDs and other items “consistent” with what authorities were looking for in the case, sources said.

Why would you need an ID in a McDonalds?

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
Why would you need an ID in a McDonalds?

Probably showed it to Law Enforcement when they received a tip and responded to the location.

My guess.