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Originally posted by ibanda:
Noose is tightening around the shooter. Law is closing in on him and he's going to get caught and soon.

Toss out some reward money* and even the anti-capitalist-fa gang will gladly turn on him.



*They got tons of CEOdollar perk budget that's not gonna be spent this quarter...

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
As for it being a Welrod, those typically go for > $30,000, a VP9 is $9,000-$10,000, and even a B&T is at least $2,000. I don’t see an amateur putting out that kind of money for a pistol, nor do I see a professional (which this schmendrick ain’t or he’d have tested it first and spent time learning to shoot) using so unusual and traceable firearm.

Despite what Ian McCollum says, the NYPD believes a Welrod was used to the point that they went to a gun shop in CT to investigate a B&T Station Six sold/transferred there recently.

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Originally posted by iron chef:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
As for it being a Welrod, those typically go for > $30,000, a VP9 is $9,000-$10,000, and even a B&T is at least $2,000. I don’t see an amateur putting out that kind of money for a pistol, nor do I see a professional (which this schmendrick ain’t or he’d have tested it first and spent time learning to shoot) using so unusual and traceable firearm.

Despite what Ian McCollum says, the NYPD believes a Welrod was used to the point that they went to a gun shop in CT to investigate a B&T Station Six sold/transferred there recently.

Yup. We’ll find out soon enough who did it. Cops likely have some ideas already. Dude apparently left evidence of all kinds all over the place. My money is on some antifa POS.

This whole Welrod horse shit is beyond ridiculous.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
This whole Welrod horse shit is beyond ridiculous.

TOP MEN.





I find it interesting that the “smiling gunman” has black backpack straps and the guy that actually did the shooting had gray straps on his backpack.

Seems fitting that the police that think an antique handgun was used are the same police that can’t see the difference in the strap colors.

I do hope that the keystone cops don’t find some random innocent guy that happens to have a gray backpack and screw him over just so Barney Fife can save face.

I am not familiar with the Welrod, but if you have to cycle it per hand each time and he left three spent casings and 3 live rounds that means he had to cycle it at least 5 times right? And based on what I see on the video it sure does not look like he did that unless he dropped the live rounds on the ground. Yet all these "experts" on TV keep saying unique gun that's not available.

A family man who dedicated his life to providing health insurance for tens of millions of people is gunned down and the public response is overwhelmingly one of celebration. What a sick country we have become.

Where do you get this stuff about the response being "overwhelmingly one of celebration"? I see a few people happy about this man's murder, but nothing even approaching a majority of the country, much less, "overwhelmingly".

If you want to criticize this nation, you'll need to find a different excuse.

A $10k reward for information leading to the shooter's arrest has been offered.

NYC has had about 350 murders so far this year. I'm sure this case is getting more attention than the other nameless victims. I imagine many of the other murders are thug-on-thug, but some of those people were just plain victims, and deserve the same effort this CEO is getting.

I agree wholeheartedly, but you know how things work.

It just doesn't look like he's even handling a Welrod. You have to twist, pull, push, twist. He's clearly just pinching and pulling, like you would a slide, except for the one instance he slams with his palm.

That Ian guy has a video of himself shooting a Welrod. I noted two things: Ian is left handed and he tips the gun over (rotates it about 120 degrees) to dump out the spent case after firing each round. It seems there’s no case ejection mechanism. The assassin didn’t appear tip his gun over at all.

The police are reporting that the suspect came out of Atlanta.

There were some suppressed Glocks stolen out of North Georgia recently. Perhaps he managed to get one of them off the stolen market. Highly likely. Or perhaps a family member owned the gun and he took it without understanding how it worked. Another highly likely explanation.

This stupid exotic weapon obsession is ridiculous.

We were shooting suppressed weapons in 45Cal's range years ago and one would fail to function because the suppressor's weight and the ammo weren't matched or something. I know very little about suppressors, but they tried different ammo until it cycled. Also it seemed to require some kind of oil squirted down in it.

The machine guns with suppressors worked perfectly.

Do you guys think he didn’t know what he was doing ? First time with a gun ?

MDS

No, not his first time with a gun.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
That Ian guy has a video of himself shooting a Welrod. I noted two things: Ian is left handed and he tips the gun over (rotates it about 120 degrees) to dump out the spent case after firing each round. It seems there’s no case ejection mechanism. The assassin didn’t appear tip his gun over at all.

. I looked up this Welrod yesterday and it seems to be a .32 cal. We're the componants left on the ground not 9mm ?

That's part of the problem too, everyone's saying Welrod but not really meaning it. (some do, some don't I guess) The B&T Station Six is a modern 9mm sort of the same thing. Both pretty rare and unless stolen the new version would be a really poor choice because it's probably pretty easy to track down. Of course the guy probably didn't expect to be all over the internet.

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Originally posted by David Lee:
I looked up this Welrod yesterday and it seems to be a .32 cal. We're the componants left on the ground not 9mm ?

The image of two unfired cartridges, one without an impacted primer, look to be 9x19mm.

The Welrod Mark II was in 9x19mm, and represented the bulk of 16,600ish produced in total.

The chambering change was due to (1) ineffectiveness of .32ACP, and (2) 9x19mm was far more available in occupied European countries.

But it wasn’t a real Welrod. Perhaps the term has suddenly become a category descriptor like calling copiers Xerox machines.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
The police are reporting that the suspect came out of Atlanta.

There were some suppressed Glocks stolen out of North Georgia recently. Perhaps he managed to get one of them off the stolen market. Highly likely. Or perhaps a family member owned the gun and he took it without understanding how it worked. Another highly likely explanation.

So, it sounds like they've ID'd the guy?
I guess it's only a matter of time until he's found.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
No, not his first time with a gun.

Obviously not.

And as for various “experts” claiming it was a Welrod, I have a low tolerance for the sort of nonsense being spouted on the ’net and therefore have listened to only a few of the people being asked for their opinions about various aspects of this incident. When I do, though, it becomes obvious that they’re getting their less than 15 minutes of fame because they were a police officer, FBI agent, gun store owner, or had some other association with guns, and not necessarily because they actually know what they were talking about. How many times have members here remarked about some ridiculous statement they heard at a gun store?

One guru found by a news reporting business said that the shooter was having “stove top(!)*” malfunctions as he was shooting and then criticized his shooting stance as if that was somehow significant. Such people often know something about guns and shooting, but because they’ve convinced whoever recruited them for their comments as well as themselves that if they know something, then they must be right about anything that pops into their heads.

I know a lot about guns myself, but I also know what I don’t know and am honest enough to admit what I don’t know; that’s far too rare and we see it demonstrated all the time. There was even a recent news article about how Nobel Prize winners often found themselves asked to comment about things totally unrelated to their professional activities, and that many of them were willing to do so without having a genuine basis of knowledge for their opinions.

* For the uninitiated, at some time he had obviously heard of a “stovepipe” malfunction which is a failure to eject the fired cartridge case that then ends up trapped in the ejection port with the open end pointing up like a stove pipe that used to be found on the wood cook stoves in people’s kitchens decades ago. But because he didn’t have any clue as to what a stovepipe malfunction was other than it was something that interfered with the operation of the pistol, he misheard the term and also assumed that it referred to any malfunction that required clearing.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
Perhaps the term has suddenly become a category descriptor like calling copiers Xerox machines.

Another good point that may very well become true.