Why is this murder investigation garnering special emphasis? Certainly mega resources are being allocated to it vs a typical NYC murder.

How do they know he took a bus from Atlanta to NYC and yet not know his name? And if they know his name (they do) why are they not releasing it? Would it not make it that much easier to catch him?

Perhaps they are taking a page out of the DOJ playbook to "not comment on an ongoing investigation".

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Originally posted by pbslinger:
Why is this murder investigation garnering special emphasis?

You should know the answer to that question.

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Originally posted by pbslinger:
Why is this murder investigation garnering special emphasis? Certainly mega resources are being allocated to it vs a typical NYC murder.

Because a high profile CEO of a multi billion corporation was gunned down by a masked man with a silenced weapon in broad daylight and it was captured on video?

Probably something like that.

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Originally posted by Oregon:

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Originally posted by pbslinger:
Why is this murder investigation garnering special emphasis? Certainly mega resources are being allocated to it vs a typical NYC murder.

Because a high profile CEO of a multi billion corporation was gunned down by a masked man with a silenced weapon in broad daylight and it was captured on video?

Probably something like that.

Should we riot?

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The ejected live rounds on purpose thing is a tad contrived isn't it? Would be a whole lot easier and more certain to just drop them on the ground rather than waste time jacking out every other round.

That's a fair point, but maybe he just didn't want to get his fingerprints on the casings (as he didn't seem to be wearing gloves)?

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
How do they know he took a bus from Atlanta to NYC and yet not know his name? And if they know his name (they do) why are they not releasing it?

I would imagine they know the bus he took from the video back tracking they have done in NYC. Question is, where did he get onto the bus. The bus originated from Atlanta, but that doesn’t mean that is where he got on. They will scour video of every bus station along the route. Depending how long he had that burner cell phone, that will supply a treasure trove of data of cell tower data, where it was purchased, the phone number used to setup the phone, etc.

I think they will only release his name as a last resort, or once they have him in-custody.

I've waited to post in this thread. Fifteen years ago I was a consultant that did a twelve month gig writing a claims processing application for UHC. I was a member of about 12 consultants that worked on site. We all signed non-disclosure statements to the effect of no talky about anything we did. The agreement ended about 8 years ago and the software we wrote has been replaced or heavily modified. The software was designed to deny 20% of the claims without review and another 10% was delayed for further review for no reason. It was a heartfelt fuck you to the policy holder. Many claim holders protested and got their claims covered. Many did not and paid out of pocket. We're not talking small amounts of money per claim either. UHC either saved the money outright or improved cash flow by paying later, interest free.

I'm not trying to condone this murder but I can see that someone personally, or his family, or his friend getting screwed by UHC might act out. IMHO, this will do nothing to solve health insurance company theft problem (that's what it is in many cases). This senseless act will only increase rates due to added security needed for executives and probably employees. The assclown shooter was trying to make a statement and failed miserably leaving a widow and fatherless children. Lose, lose, lose all the way around and the claim review issue will not be addressed.

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Having a hard time shedding any tears for this guy after the way he has treated his policy holders

The guy was murdered. That attitude is totally disgusting. The actions of the company he ran are not relevant to the discussion, at least with respect to a public company operating legally in the US.

Legal and Moral are two different things.
I've been involved in more than a few homicide investigations where zero tears were shed for the "victim". Hell, there were a lot where the "victim" probably deserved it.

But I've been accused of being calloused, jaded and cynical.

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But I've been accused of being calloused, jaded and cynical.

Anyone who has been a cop or first responder for more that a couple years in any blue state urban shit hole is at least "pessimistically philosophical". You have to develop that and a dark sense of humor as a survival mechanism.

If he is captured alive and it goes to trial, that one will be a real shit storm with all the ANTIFAs, Anarchists, and Commies out in force to protest the trial of this "social justice warrior".

Oh yeah, they just went with UHC for insurance at work and they (HR, County Exec, County Council) are receiving tons of complaints on it in just a couple months. I have a feeling that UHC is going to be a one and done contract......at least it is not GHP aka Get a Health Plan aka Ghetto Health Plan.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
I have UHC at work and they are the worst about covering pharmaceuticals and I have to rely on GoodRx for medicines with the exception of my Monjoro. For some reason the most expensive thing I have to take is covered. I don't understand it.

Tabs is facing the final 4 chemo treatments at $5k each after racking up a $300,000+ medical bill and they are balking now.

At this point bankruptcy is an option and I don't even care.

I'm very sorry to hear of this, what an awful situation.

For those that are "disgusted" by the people who aren't shedding any tears over the CEO's murder, I wonder just how the founding fathers would be reacting to all of this. They weren't too big on tyranny as I recall, and if any industry in the modern world has become tyrannical it's insurance, especially medical insurance IMO.

The troubling thing for me is that now things will likely get worse and more expensive thanks to the murderer.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
I have UHC at work and they are the worst about covering pharmaceuticals and I have to rely on GoodRx for medicines with the exception of my Monjoro. For some reason the most expensive thing I have to take is covered. I don't understand it.

Tabs is facing the final 4 chemo treatments at $5k each after racking up a $300,000+ medical bill and they are balking now.

At this point bankruptcy is an option and I don't even care.

My mother has a very aggressive basal cell cancer located at the back of her eye and around her nasal area. She has exhausted radiation and surgical options, and the team at Mass Eye and Ear prescribed her Erivedge, a chemotherapy pill that costs $14,000 a month. Unfortunately, they can’t afford it, and their insurance denied coverage. Thankfully, the hospital worked with Genentech to secure a grant to cover the medication.

Have you had conversations like this with your oncologist?

Nobody here bats an eye when two gangbangers take each other out. As far as I'm concerned this CEO was a high-paid murderous thug dressed up in a fancy suit who got what he deserved.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:

I’ve done exactly that. It’s loud. Carpet and furniture change everything though. They tend to absorb the sound. But the room you describe would be loud. It wasn’t deafening nor did my ears ring nor sound distorted after. But I would probably still use the electronic hearing pro if possible.

Thanks for your information. Going to the trouble and expense of adding a suppressor doesn't seem worth it. For me. At this time. Maybe later on a hunting long gun would make sense.

My thoughts are that a suppressor adds about 8” to the muzzle of the pistol. It is not as nimble to move so unless you train yourself with it, under the stress of urgency, you’ll do clumsy things with your weapon. I have had access to indoor training facilities and there is a considerable difference between working a floor plan with and without a suppressor. If you don’t train with it, don’t plan on using it. Firing suppressed indoors is better than nothing, but there are better advantages to electronic hearing protection. Likely an intruder won’t be so equipped so if you are and you need to discharge a round, perhaps you gain advantage over your assailants.

Just an anonymous opinion for what it’s worth.

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Nobody here bats an eye when two gangbangers take each other out. As far as I'm concerned this CEO was a high-paid murderous thug dressed up in a fancy suit who got what he deserved.

Yeah, well, you and the others saying this stuff- this is who you're keeping company with:

https://x.com/gatewaypundit/st.../1865467251937124830

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
Nobody here bats an eye when two gangbangers take each other out. As far as I'm concerned this CEO was a high-paid murderous thug dressed up in a fancy suit who got what he deserved.

Pretty despicable take, man.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
My thoughts are that a suppressor adds about 8” to the muzzle of the pistol. It is not as nimble to move so unless you train yourself with it, under the stress of urgency, you’ll do clumsy things with your weapon. I have had access to indoor training facilities and there is a considerable difference between working a floor plan with and without a suppressor. If you don’t train with it, don’t plan on using it. Firing suppressed indoors is better than nothing, but there are better advantages to electronic hearing protection. Likely an intruder won’t be so equipped so if you are and you need to discharge a round, perhaps you gain advantage over your assailants.

Just an anonymous opinion for what it’s worth.

Thanks again for the advice. Heck, with electronic muffs I might just invest in some flash bang grenades.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
Nobody here bats an eye when two gangbangers take each other out. As far as I'm concerned this CEO was a high-paid murderous thug dressed up in a fancy suit who got what he deserved.

Pretty despicable take, man.

Yeah I have been trying to not respond to this and some other topics a little off topic of the original thread. I don’t care the crime, no one has the right to take punishment into their own hands, unless it is self defense or to save the life of another in the moment of the incident.

Yes, sometimes our criminal justice system sucks but it is meant to let a crime/allegation play out in the system. If you don’t like it and take matters into your own hands, you are now the criminal to. The court system allows for more details to come out than an outraged person may have in the heat of the moment.

All of my investigations involve criminals either in jail waiting for sentencing, or in prison serving their sentence. I investigate everyone in the criminal justice system from jail/prison staff, doctors, probation and parole officers, etc. If a convict has been sentenced and is serving their time, it is not up to criminal justice staff working in the facility to do things to further punish them or now exploit them. Criminal justice professionals are there to do their job and if they deviate from that, they need to be held accountable. I have had many “victims” who have done very horrific crimes, but they are serving their time and an officer feels it is right to have them punished further by themselves or allowing other prisoners to do it.

This is getting off topic of the original post of the CEO being murdered, but does apply to the idea that he got what he deserved. It is not up to a single person to determine and give the justice they feel is deserved. That is what the criminal justice system is for like it or not. Sometimes it is done right and sometimes not, but way better than street justice with no due process.

If he had been taken by cancer and it was on the news, I would have said "Too bad so sad". It's nature. These insurance people are scumbags, yes, but I would never advocate for anyone going out and murdering them. It's a no brainer, "Thou shall not murder".

Those who say "he got what he deserved", if you guys hate these despicable human beings so much, why don't you take up the assassin's task yourself? Oh, what's that? It's a dirty job for someone else, I see. Y'all are just here to cheer on.

Well, seems BCBS is changinging some policy because of this.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/m...er-intense-pushback/


Dec 6, 2024,02:49pm EST
Topline Health insurer Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield says it is no longer planning a policy change that would place time limits on coverage for anesthesia services in Connecticut, New York and Missouri—a reversal after the move drew widespread outrage this week.


Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield announced in November it would begin changing how it processes anesthesia claims in the three states on Feb. 1, 2025, by limiting the amount of time it covers anesthesia for surgeries and procedures in which it’s needed.

The announcements for the three states said the company would begin denying “claims submitted with reported time above the established number of minutes” initially targeted for anesthesia services—though the policy would not apply for people under 22 or maternity-related care.

The policy change drew quick backlash from the American Society of Anesthesiologists, which published a press release on Nov. 14 saying Anthem “will no longer pay for anesthesia care if the surgery or procedure goes beyond an arbitrary time limit, regardless of how long the surgical procedure takes.”

The change drew more criticism Thursday as a greater spotlight was placed on health insurance companies following the killing of Brian Thompson, UnitedHealthcare’s CEO, with at least one lawmaker weighing in and calling the change “appalling,” and a number of doctors criticizing the move to CNN.

Janey Kiryluik, staff vice president of corporate communications at Anthem’s corporate parent Elevance Health, told Forbes Thursday the company will “not proceed with this policy change” after there was “significant widespread misinformation” around the update, and when asked which states it will not take effect in she said the decision “applies across the board.”