I want to know how exactly she arrived to those beliefs of hers. Who educated indoctrinated her? Where and when did that happen? How does one arrive to the conclusion that this is an evil country to the point that the flag of the nation she resides in makes her uncomfortable? How the F does that happen? Those are the questions I would like answered.

I can tell you her answer in one word, “Trump.”

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Originally posted by stickman428:
Who educated indoctrinated her?

Many college campuses have been breeding grounds for leftist ideology since the end of World War I and the rise of the Soviet Union. The reasons for that are many and varied, not least because of how young people’s thinking is easily manipulated.

People who are in or have been in the US education system are more familiar with what goes on within it, and I’m not one of them, but it’s always seemed to me that the acceptance of leftist ideology in this country really took off because of opposition to the Vietnam War by men who were terrified of being drafted, and the people who supported them. At the beginning of the war many of the faculty members wouldn’t have been subject to the draft themselves, but one of the strongest human motivators is the desire for followers, and there is no better way to recruit followers than to tell them what they want to hear. Once leftist ideologies became established in the schools it was unlikely to ever be changed, and it has only become more extreme and firmly entrenched.

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Originally posted by stickman428:
Who educated indoctrinated her?

Many college campuses have been breeding grounds for leftist ideology since the end of World War I and the rise of the Soviet Union. The reasons for that are many and varied, not least because of how young people’s thinking is easily manipulated.

People who are in or have been in the US education system are more familiar with what goes on within it, and I’m not one of them, but it’s always seemed to me that the acceptance of leftist ideology in this country really took off because of opposition to the Vietnam War by men who were terrified of being drafted, and the people who supported them. At the beginning of the war many of the faculty members wouldn’t have been subject to the draft themselves, but one of the strongest human motivators is the desire for followers, and there is no better way to recruit followers than to tell them what they want to hear. Once leftist ideologies became established in the schools it was unlikely to ever be changed, and it has only become more extreme and firmly entrenched.

While its easy to blame the schools, those schools evolved into indoctrination centers because parents failed to monitor and get involved as a group.

I'd give a good percentage of the blame to their parents, non involvement, failure to lead, failure to challenge, failure to push back on the school administrations. We let the system change, the reason it is the way it is relates to nationwide ambivalence of two working parents who focused more on income than questioning their kids.

Not everyone because we'll get the "not in my house" but in half the country this is a major problem..

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
It’s sickening how 5-6% of the population (gay) are being catered to as if they are the majority. I really don’t care if people choose that lifestyle but stop forcing mandatory acceptance of something I don’t support. Could you imagine the apoplexy of the left if Christians demanded a Christian pride month?

This may be somewhat offensive. But being gay is an aberration of nature. It's not natural and not consistent with evolution. It's something that both sides should perhaps just accept. Live and let live. But I'm not sure 'pride' should be an associated term; acceptance should be sufficient. And if this is genetic and not learned, then what is there to be proud of - it's not like they did anything. It's just an act of nature.

I've been accepting. But I'm becoming less so over time. The more proud and loud they get, the less accepting I'm becoming. I don't think I'm alone and I don't think this is going to end the way they think.

My older sister is a absolute rebar based, prestress concrete filled with hate leftist.

She was born left handed, never made a right turn on red, and won't look both ways when crossing the street.

Leftist.

She is married to a "Smith" from the "John Smith" line, lives in Mass, and they beat the drum, carry the water and drink the kool-aid. (yeah, I know, it was not really kool-aid. Stop distracting me...)

I am fortunate that I met her friends when I was young (couple years younger), as she enticed me to "hang out" in the mid-sixties with her and friends, making tie dyed t-shirts, going to head shops, music events and such, by skipping school.

It did not take long, before I realized I was being played and used by being made "guilty" of skipping school, I was then subjected to their leftist crap and all the hate over Vietnam, the man, the establishment etc.

But, I also had fortune of being passed around to my relatives, on my mom's side.
Osage nation people, and folks that worked at Beechcraft, Boeing, Cessna and were WWI, WWII, and Korean vets, as were their friends.

Around dragsters, bikers, aviation, machinists and engineers, most who were considered "dirt poor", but threw in with everyone and shared time and tools, gave/traded parts and such.

Lived in a place called "Dogpatch" in east Wichita KS, it was the lowest place you could be from, and if you ever "The War" with Costner, you got a pretty good glimpse of what it was like.

So, my "fortune" out of that was to realize the BS my sister and her friends espoused about "communal life and all that communism" contrasted to people who lived and truly gave and helped each other, and were content with doing the best they could, without thinking about it, made me realize one world was "words of fantasy" and the other was the cold hard reality, of people who were straightforward, spoke the truth and their mind without sugarcoating.

I chose the latter, and was "inoculated" for life.

You can never, ever bend me the other way.

The battle never ends, and always begins from the day the child is born, and how they are raised.

I am my CUT.
I will die such.

But not for a while, I gotta horse to beat.

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Originally posted by stickman428:
Who educated indoctrinated her?

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While its easy to blame the schools, those schools evolved into indoctrination centers because parents failed to monitor and get involved as a group.

I'd give a good percentage of the blame to their parents, non involvement, failure to lead, failure to challenge, failure to push back on the school administrations. We let the system change, the reason it is the way it is relates to nationwide ambivalence of two working parents who focused more on income than questioning their kids.

Not everyone because we'll get the "not in my house" but in half the country this is a major problem..

I agree 100%. I'm continually amazed at how many people live with their head in the sand, completely ignoring significant eroding issues, simply because they don't perceive it to be an immediate threat or in the usual case, they lack the spine to do anything about it. They're too scared to rock the boat, and lack the intestinal fortitude required to do difficult things, because they are the right thing.

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Originally posted by konata88:
I've been accepting. But I'm becoming less so over time. The more proud and loud they get, the less accepting I'm becoming. I don't think I'm alone and I don't think this is going to end the way they think.

Ditto. I've never been what nearly anybody would call "intolerant" or "racist", but the more I get beat over the head with this stuff the more I find my tolerance fading. It's having the opposite of their desired effect. The pendulum is swinging more and more toward the left, but it will eventually swing back the other way again.

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Originally posted by HRK:
While its easy to blame the schools ....

Well, yes, because the question was, “Who indoctrinated her?” not why did it happen.

The question of why young people can be indoctrinated with one belief rather than another is a complex one, but a major part of the fundamental reason is because evolution has evidently driven us human beings to use our big brains to continually seek ways of doing things better and to thereby enhance our chances of survival long enough to pass on our genes to descendants. And of course the first step in thinking of ways to do things better is to examine and analyze what we’ve done before: i.e., how our forebears did them. Because young people have usually spent most of their lives learning new things, it’s only natural that part of that learning would involve examining and questioning the old ways, beliefs, and customs. That makes it easy for other indoctrinators to change their beliefs, and especially beliefs that they have never truly examined and understood before.

To take just one easy example, consider the concept of the “new Soviet man” which was taught as part of Communism doctrine in the USSR. How many of us here have even so much as heard of it, much less know what it refers to? If we know what it refers to, have we ever analyzed the concept and developed arguments to refute it? If that’s too specific and arcane for most of us to have ever heard of, what about the entire broad concept of socialism? We may know that we don’t like the idea because someone else told us it was a bad idea, but do we know why? And more important, did we discuss it with our children when they were still at home and we could influence them directly?

I could go on and on, but the way to instill the beliefs we hold in our offspring is when they’re at home. Somehow preventing their being exposed to and being taught other ideas is simply fantasy in most cases for multiple reasons. In general refuting bad ideas works; suppression doesn’t. For the intelligent, questing mind, attempts at suppression are more likely to increase interest in an idea rather than killing it. (I admit, though, that some ideas cannot be refuted and only suppression works at all.)

What’s more, based on what I’ve seen, a large percentage of parents have never learned such things as the basic elements of logical and open-minded, critical thinking. When I see someone respond to an opinion piece by simply dismissing the author rather than with any discussion of the message, I don’t have much hope that he would be able to adequately prepare a son or daughter to resist the indoctrination they would be exposed to in school at any level.

I don’t have any children and have therefore never been faced with the challenges of what I’m referring to. I’m sure they are far more difficult than I can even imagine. I do know, however, that it’s not going to be changed by people ranting on the Internet about what should be rather than what is.

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It may be cliche but it used to be a thing when guardians asked “what did you learn in school today?” Not sure that it’s a thing anymore.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
‘Pledge Allegiance To The Queers’ Teacher Faces Official Investigation After Viral TikTok Video “I pledge allegiance to the queers.”



https://www.dailywire.com/news...r-viral-tiktok-video

A California teacher faces an official investigation after videos surfaced of her detailing the removal of the American flag from her classroom. In one video, she said that she told a student that he could pledge allegiance to a gay pride flag instead.

She's a school teacher? She sounds like a 12 year old talking to her chums.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I could go on and on, but the way to instill the beliefs we hold in our offspring is when they’re at home. Somehow preventing their being exposed to and being taught other ideas is simply fantasy in most cases for multiple reasons. In general refuting bad ideas works; suppression doesn’t. For the intelligent, questing mind, attempts at suppression are more likely to increase interest in an idea rather than killing it. (I admit, though, that some ideas cannot be refuted and only suppression works at all.)

You’re right of course. The only bit I’ll add is that another approach is to let them know our beliefs, but teach them to think critically. It can have its uncomfortable moments, like when they point it out to us when we are in the weeds, but it is totally worth it when they come back and share (with much laughter) people’s attempt to indoctrinate them.

Much like teaching a man to fish, if you can teach your child to think critically (or get them to a school that does), it goes an awful long way. Teaching a child to think critically may not be the best way to inoculate them against indoctrination, but it is the best way I know.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
‘Pledge Allegiance To The Queers’ Teacher Faces Official Investigation After Viral TikTok Video “I pledge allegiance to the queers.”



https://www.dailywire.com/news...r-viral-tiktok-video

A California teacher faces an official investigation after videos surfaced of her detailing the removal of the American flag from her classroom. In one video, she said that she told a student that he could pledge allegiance to a gay pride flag instead.

She's a school teacher? She sounds like a 12 year old talking to her chums.

That there is a useless human.

Well, she's not a teacher either, for the moment...

"She has been removed from the classroom and placed on administrative leave, as our investigation continues,"

Freakin' whack job.

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Freakin' whack job.

True, but if she hadn't gotten delusions of grandeur & posted her stupid shit on Facebook or You Tube or whatever, she'd still be teaching kids. There are plenty more liberal whack job teachers still out there. Usually, it's only the dumb ones that get caught.

I used to tell new trainees at the prison before I retired. We only have the dumb ones in here. All the smart criminals are still on the other side of that fence. Still doing their thing.

The school system that hired her did not screen for BCS (Batshit Crazy Syndrome).

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The school system that hired her did not screen for BCS (Batshit Crazy Syndrome).

If she wore those rainbow suspenders & those things hanging from her ears to the job interview, they probably would've been required to hire her to avoid a lawsuit.

The education system used to be a noble, thankless albeit fulfilling profession but now it is where radicals can thrive unfettered.
It is not a surprise that they are dominated by leftists with an agenda.
You don't get educated anymore you get indoctrinated.

^^^ Well, it gives those fart-sniffing weasels a captive audience that they might finally win an argument with. And all that snickering? This is a girl who doesn't have a whole lot of people to talk to.