Federalization of the police is the end game. When it comes, the leftists will cheer it and soon after we will be in a world of shit. Then Orwell will be right on the money, if a few decades late.

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Originally posted by 18DAI:
Thats the elephant in the room. 13% of the population commits 90%+ of the violent crime. How is it "racist" to point out that fact?

Actually, that's the common talking point, but even that's not accurate. Blacks represent about 14% of the population, but not all black folks are out committing crimes. The real number is likely more along the line of <5% of blacks that actually commit violent crime. So the segment of the population committing the bulk of all crime is a very small sub-set that even most black people can't stand.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by 18DAI:
Thats the elephant in the room. 13% of the population commits 90%+ of the violent crime. How is it "racist" to point out that fact?

Actually, that's the common talking point, but even that's not accurate. Blacks represent about 14% of the population, but not all black folks are out committing crimes. The real number is likely more along the line of <5% of blacks that actually commit violent crime. So the segment of the population committing the bulk of all crime is a very small sub-set that even most black people can't stand.

Good point.

Bigdeal makes an excellent point. I would be interested in hearing from some of our Police Officers what they felt the actual percentages are.

As a criminal Magistrate, on duty 4 nights a week, almost every Felony charge - EVERY night I work, is a black suspect. +98%. EVERY shift.

And the victims? Yup. Other blacks. "..probably <5% of blacks committing crimes.." I don't know where you sourced that stat, but it is extremely unlikely that figure is correct. Just based on what I see locally.

And in 20 years spent as an Investigator, the vast majority of the robberies and +200 Homicides I worked were committed by blacks. Again, the victims in the Homicides? Also black.

It is a subculture that glorifies violence. And demeans those who work and obey the law. Thats my opinion, based on 26 years experience investigating, apprehending and prosecuting felony cases in State Court. First hand experience. Not hearsay or "I read somewhere". YMMV. Regards 18DAI

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Originally posted by rsbolo:
Bigdeal makes an excellent point. I would be interested in hearing from some of our Police Officers what they felt the actual percentages are.

I began my career in law enforcement in the mid-1970's (retired in 2008), and the Rand Corporation had studies that showed definitively a very small subset of the community (OFFENDERS) commit the vast majority of the crime. This applies in virtually every community, regardless of how that community is made up ethnically. If the community is composed of "People of Color", the subset of regular offenders will be "People of Color" and victimize the overwhelmingly law-abiding "People of Color" living nearby.

The problem isn't skin color, it's normalizing criminal behavior so people believe that because chronic (recidivist) violators look like those they usually victimize, they shouldn't be held accountable since they must be the same. Right?

Is racism responsible for crime? Of course it is! The racism of low expectations and the racism/divisiveness of the "My team vs Your team" mentality.

"Community activists" have done a stellar job of convincing white people that all poor people (of color) are mentally incapable of respecting the rule of law or following rules in general. The "de-fund the police" narrative seeks to takeaway any and all protections good people in neighborhoods (the majority) have from offenders (the small subset/minority), and empower the later even more. Having worked in these neighborhoods for more than 40 years as a cop and as an investigative/expert resource for defendants in criminal cases, it makes me sick to see this.

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Originally posted by 18DAI:
As a criminal Magistrate, on duty 4 nights a week, almost every Felony charge - EVERY night I work, is a black suspect. +98%. EVERY shift.

And the victims? Yup. Other blacks. "..probably <5% of blacks committing crimes.." I don't know where you sourced that stat, but it is extremely unlikely that figure is correct. Just based on what I see locally.

And in 20 years spent as an Investigator, the vast majority of the robberies and +200 Homicides I worked were committed by blacks. Again, the victims in the Homicides? Also black.

It is a subculture that glorifies violence. And demeans those who work and obey the law. Thats my opinion, based on 26 years experience investigating, apprehending and prosecuting felony cases in State Court. First hand experience. Not hearsay or "I read somewhere". YMMV. Regards 18DAI

I think you misunderstood my assertion. The comment that the vast majority of all violent crime is committed by black people, I believe is well proven. My assertion is that those crimes are committed, for the most part, by a small sub-set of the total black people in this country. I think it is also well established that many of these sorts of crimes are committed by the same group of repeat offenders. I just don't think its fair to hang the vast majority of violent crime on the entire black community. Obviously the percentage of black folks committing crimes in a particular area is going to vary based upon multiple variables (Ex. Urban or Rural).

Using my "all I need to know about inner city crime and police I learned on The Wire" mojo:

Consider that the leftist politicians in the inner cities are always looking for ways to excuse criminals, wouldn't it follow that the criminals are providing contributions to the same politicians? Or, there is a system by which the politicians create situations where their decisions can help the criminals launder their money into "legitimate" investments? Whatever the actual mechanism, the politicians have to benefit somehow from all this, otherwise they would not be doing it.

Lester Freeman always said follow the money...

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I just don't think its fair to hang the vast majority of violent crime on the entire black community.

I agree completely. However, the "community" has a choice, either to acknowledge that fact, and either accept the situation or police their own "community," or to have that policing imposed upon them by the rest of the greater populace that finds violence unacceptable. The greater populace, obviously, can choose to reject or accept violence as a part of their daily existence, and ignore/forgive those that break the social contract. This latter is what it appears the "enlightened" are striving for.

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Originally posted by rsbolo:
Bigdeal makes an excellent point. I would be interested in hearing from some of our Police Officers what they felt the actual percentages are.

Uniform Crime Reporting for 2019 straight from the database of the nations Fan Belt Inspectors

Portland's mayor now says that having no police at a recent riot was a mistake.

ya think

what an idiot. He changed his mind about no police response after an entire neighborhood let them know that they were terrorized for hours with no police response.

Freaking idiot.

the problem will continue until someone remembers how to run a bastard out on a rail, tar and feather a son-of-a-bitch, or hang someone from a tall oak tree in front of a courthouse.

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Originally posted by armored:
Every night on the news ( must fight a constant urge to vomit while I watch) I see one story line after the other, day after day, NEED MORE POLICE!
Bus driver shot in the face downtown, union leader says "we need more police on the buses".
Murder, assault,robbery, and car jackings downtown, alderman has a "high level" meeting, result of meeting, we need more police.
Murder, assault, rape,robbery on the L platforms and trains,"we need more police".
Cities reaction, handcuff the police.
Don't chase suspects on foot, don't chase suspects by car, don't lie to suspects. Stand back now that the CPD and the City are being sued for traffic stops, guess how that will end.
They ALL WANT more police, FOR WHAT!
We all hear the chant " Blacks are arrested in a much greater number than whites" must be racist, can't have this,forget that Blacks commit vastly more crime than whites. Cities solution, Don't arrest black criminals.
I have no sympathy for the downtown business owners or the downtown residents. They all constantly vote Democratic, let them hide and shake in the corners of there homes and businesses.
States Attorney Foxx who is an insult to any other demographic ( except Minnesota and California residents)was re-elected by over 200,000 votes in the last election, that alone tells the story of the city.
Hopeless!

They don't WANT "police", what they WANT is scarecrows, and a whole mess of them. That's going to work out for about a week, until they figure out it's a "hands-off" approach.
Oh, they NEED police, but at this stage of the game, who wants to be the police? Especially here!
(The pickins' is a slim from the pool of new people that are coming on the department today, and we're hemorrhaging officers left and right. In order to keep up with our attrition rate, we're going to have to lower the bar a lot)

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
[W]e're going to have to lower the bar a lot

Funny how that works out, isn't it?

But for the clueless, it's not only the Defund the Police crowd that is responsible; they are only the most recent—and effective so far. Over the years I've seen countless bizarre and unreasonable expectations expressed by other groups and individuals.

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Originally posted by radioman:
Portland's mayor now says that having no police at a recent riot was a mistake.

ya think

what an idiot. He changed his mind about no police response after an entire neighborhood let them know that they were terrorized for hours with no police response.

Freaking idiot.

He's preparing to run for governor.

I am finding this discussion riveting because when I was a teacher I formed my opinion on under achieving students based on anecdotal evidence that I gathered.

The strongest indicator I found for academic and social success was a strong family. The highest example of this is the "traditional" family.

Expectations of success in school fostered in the home created students who knew my role as teacher was one valued by their family.

What struck me about BigDeal's assertion was that a small percentage of a percentage were the REAL problem. I found that to be true as well. A few students were the cause of repeated "major" incidents.

Reading the responses from our LE members seemed to support this idea. I believe that the breakdown of family precipitates many of the criminal issues we see in society today.

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Originally posted by rsbolo:
I believe that the breakdown of family precipitates many of the criminal issues we see in society today.

100% agree and this all began with the social welfare programs of the 60s and we have been heading toward the abyss ever since.

Rsbolo, you are right. When I was policing 1-2% committed 95% of the crime. And most of the 1-2% was from the black community. There was some white trash in that group, but mostly it was blacks. And in 18 years I recall only one white person being murdered- the rest was BLK on BLK gang/dope shit.

My grandparents were teachers and they could tell the bad seeds by second grade. And were right more often than not.

And I agree, a whole intact family plays a huge role in wether a child does well in school or not.

Even in the criminal population, only a few are trouble makers. I worked at a state prison for years and 10% of the population caused 90% of the problems. Same with people on probation and parole.

One part of having a strong family providing support in many ways, is for the breadwinners to earn a reasonable living. If the dad and mom cannot buy or even rent a decent place to live, typically things are going to go downhill for the kids.

Sending our manufacturing jobs to China and elsewhere is a YUGE part of the problem. Thank the globalists for this, and the spineless politicians as well.