Great way to promote homophobia Tuckerrnr1.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

I think the point is that’s what they’re angling for, not that he agrees with them. He’s right.

Nevertheless, he's now pointing to the Constitution where before he was referencing some federal statute. So he's actually now agreeing with us.

And I don't see what being convicted of a felony has to do with that Section of the Constitution dealing with "Insurrection." If he somehow had documents meant for the National Archives he's now part of a rebellion? Ridiculous.

Seriously, convicting Trump of somehow committing an insurrection or rebellion against the United States is beyond absurd and won't happen, even if the whole point of this raid was likely to collect evidence for their January 6th show trial.

Barnes from Viva & Barnes made a good point I thought. This raid by the FBI happened early in the morning on Monday. We didn't hear about this until very late afternoon, and that was because Trump announced it. It wasn't made known because the media first heard of it or the FBI made an announcement. No, it was Trump who said these schmucks are ransacking my house! Was the FBI not trying to make a lot of noise doing this? Maybe. If so, I'm sure they figured Trump would not want this out there that his house was searched by the FBI. But of course they don't understand Trump. Barnes thinks that the FBI was actually searching for deep state stuff, some of it related to the Russian collusion nonsense, that is very damaging to many entities and people in DC.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

I think the point is that’s what they’re angling for, not that he agrees with them. He’s right.

Nevertheless, he's now pointing to the Constitution where before he was referencing some federal statute. So he's actually now agreeing with us.

And I don't see what being convicted of a felony has to do with that Section of the Constitution dealing with "Insurrection." If he somehow had documents meant for the National Archives he's now part of a rebellion? Ridiculous.

Seriously, convicting Trump of somehow committing an insurrection or rebellion against the United States is beyond absurd and won't happen.

I stated Federal statute because that is what is lined out in the 14th Amendment. You have convicted of the Federal offense against US Code 18: 2383. Which is exactly why I mentioned the offense.

I made no mention of simply being found guilty of any felony that what someone else.

What do you think these folks are jockeying to do with all the January 6th stuff???? They are trying to get Trump rolled up in it somehow so that he can be charged with Insurrection and loose any chance at office as pointed out by the 14th.

Do you actually believe this raid was about National Archive documents???

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

Do you actually believe this raid was about National Archive documents???

No, which I stated.

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Originally posted by alptraum:
Great way to promote homophobia Tuckerrnr1.

Oh, Hell. Lighten up Francis. Take comfort in that fact that you've already met your quota of stupid things to say today.

Seriously- think about what you said: "promoting homophobia"? Good grief. Just stow it. A huge part of the problem with society these days is not "promoting homophobia"; it's people getting offended over nothing and thinking that they can suppress the speech of others because of "feelings".

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

Do you actually believe this raid was about National Archive documents???

No, which I stated.

Alrighty then Can’t figure out why you are having difficulty with what I said.
The dems are hell bent on charging Trump with Insurrection and pretty much everything they have done since the beginning of the year if not before has been some sort of attempt at that.
How many times have the media used the word insurrection over and over and over since even before January 6th.

Regardless of what one thinks the actual outcome will be it is exactly what they are trying and doing all of this for.

Nope. Read the 14th Amendment. It starts with Senators the congressmen the holders of any office civil or military. It’s a waterfall. Never mentions President and the “any office” bit would be any easy constitutional decision I bet. Now with a liberal court all bets are off. Claiming insurrection, rebellion, or aid and comfort to the enemy is a fucking stretch even using today’s silliness. Hell, enemy? We aren’t even at war.

This clearly is an attempt to make him unelectable to a gullible populace. That is all. It may backfire on them. I love Trump as President but really was hoping DeSantis would run. With all this crazy I’m getting back on the “fuck that lets elect Trump again Desantis can go next” train.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

Regardless of what one thinks the actual outcome will be it is exactly what they are trying and doing all of this for.

Well we agree that that is what they're trying to do.

I'm simply saying that impeachment with a conviction is the only way to prevent Trump from ever getting into the White House again according to the Constitution. They failed twice now on that front.

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I'm simply saying that impeachment with a conviction is the only way to prevent Trump from ever getting into the White House again according to the Constitution. They failed twice now on that front.

You know that and of course they know that.
But if they bring an indictment, no matter how flimsy, they may think that it will discourage a lot of potential Trump supporters.
In other words, they don't need a conviction.
The FBI is not supposed to be the goon squad of the Democrat Party, but that's what it has become.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

Regardless of what one thinks the actual outcome will be it is exactly what they are trying and doing all of this for.

Well we agree that that is what they're trying to do.

I'm simply saying that impeachment with a conviction is the only way to prevent Trump from ever getting into the White House again according to the Constitution. They failed twice now on that front.

There is not an impeachment requirement to charge someone criminally with the US Code 18. He is no longer in office.
He can still be charged Criminally with US 18:2383 Insurrection. If he were to be convicted he would not be able to run for office.
All these January 6th hearings and trials have absolutely nothing to do with the people actually involved. It is all in hopes they get one little bitty thing and the possibility of charging Trump.

Is this grasping at straws be the left ABSOLUTELY but that is all they have and they are not going to stop.

"One little bitty thing". Thats does seem to be what it's come down to. Yet, decades of criminal activity by the like of the biden gang, pelosi and company in dirty china deals, the doper biden jr., obama and his pot smoking collage bro DOJ, schumer and his pals up in the city, that fake ageancy hiding behind the fbi and, not 1 statute, law or the Constitution can or ever will be upheld against them, bitch clinton as well. Perhaps Black92 you can enlighten us as to how that works because its all known they've been bad and not 1 member of any Law Enforcement ageancy has ever stood up to even recognise 1 tidbit of wring doing or, illegal activity. Decades and not a peep. I doubt Americans will stand for much more of what these scum are doing to America. You recall that bitch pelosi tearing up her copy of President Trumps State of the Union address? I do. I have visions of her doing that to Our Constitution. And then I see a pair of cross hairs. Time will come when repairing the wrongs of this government and it wont be accomplished by a vote.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

He can still be charged Criminally with US 18:2383 Insurrection. If he were to be convicted he would not be able to run for office.

That's simply not true. Yes he could run for office again, even if he were convicted of that absurd charge. The 14th Amendment does not apply to the Presidency. At least that is my understanding.

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

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or elector of President and Vice-President

Read closer.

DERP

Even Adam Schiff Is Flummoxed When Asked Why They Waited 18 Months if FBI Raid Was so Necessary

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Originally posted by Shaql:

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or elector of President and Vice-President

Read closer.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

He can still be charged Criminally with US 18:2383 Insurrection. If he were to be convicted he would not be able to run for office.

That's simply not true. Yes he could run for office again, even if he were convicted of that absurd charge. The 14th Amendment does not apply to the Presidency. At least that is my understanding.

You are correct on the running part it says they can’t hold office. States nothing saying they can’t run.

The section clearly states OF ANY OFFICE.

and it is completely uncharted territory. So no doubt they would try it.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
The section clearly states OF ANY OFFICE.

and it is completely uncharted territory. So no doubt they would try it.

Of course they would. Has the membership here decided that the swamp creatures would suddenly develop consciences and senses of right and wrong and not use that as a basis for at least trying? They could easily find prosecutors and judges that would make the attempt and allow it to go forward regardless of the merits of the case. Even if a conviction and claim that it disqualified the man from holding office in the future were overturned on appeal, the effort would still be worth it for them for a number of reasons.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

and it is completely uncharted territory. So no doubt they would try it.

Yes it is, at least in regards to the Presidency. It was put in place after the Civil War for obvious reasons, but yes they most certainly will try it. The courts will have to sort it out in the end.

While the left would take a criminal charge and elimination of Trump legally from holding office,

A big part of this may be showing they will never let up on him, ever, and that if elected we'll never hear the end of the mess that goes with electing Trump.

The house flips all the time, and you'll get Nasty Nancy back with her crew starting impeachment all over, just to tie Trump up.... Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump......

The left will never embrace him, the right won't give up on him, and they just need enough of the middle to make it all to go away...