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Originally posted by JR78:
That idiot Biden wants 10B in aide to Ukraine. How about flushing the bombers out of Barksdale and enact Linebacker III.

And enact Hanoi Hilton Redux?

How about leave the big birds out of it.

I'd rather not see American bomber crews sitting on a POW camp again.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Yes, American politicians calling for the assassination of foreign heads of state need to just shut the fuck up. Shameful and outrageous.

Damn straight! That is beyond the pale

Again, Putin is 69 and a Cold War relic. He's doing things the way he learned 40 years ago, and I think he underestimated the ability and speed at which big corporations, big media, big tech, and international banks would cut Russia off.

As I am watching all this I realize that except for the 3rd world, the game has changed. Open warfare against civilians of sovereign countries in the west will simply not be tolerated anymore, unless there is broad international agreement that justifies it. Everything is connected in some way or another, and that interdependence is something Putin may not intuitively consider. He may be a great political and military tactician, but he is stuck in the 20th century with regard to his methods.

The future of warfare is what we are seeing now. Financial and banking system shutdowns, cyber attacks, demonetization, de-platforming. And there is no treaty that is recent enough to consider any of this. And that means there is no treaty stopping it from happening for whatever reasons those who are pulling the switches choose.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Yes, American politicians calling for the assassination of foreign heads of state need to just shut the fuck up. Shameful and outrageous.

Damn straight! That is beyond the pale

It shouldn't be said but that's exactly what the goal is. Squeeze the citizens of Russia until they decide Putin has to go, and the military makes it happen. The trick is not to box Putin into a corner so fast and so hard that he goes nuclear. Let the people see what happens with the existing sanctions, and let them think about what would happen if the oil/gas sales get cut off. It's March, in a couple weeks a lot of people in Europe won't NEED heat anymore. Sure it might be uncomfortable, but they won't freeze to death.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Dakor:
STOP LISTENING TO THE PRESS HYPE.

Here's another thought: PERHAPS TRY READING WHAT WAS QUOTED? Ya know, including the bits where the plant's spokesman related what's actually happening?

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Originally posted by Dakor:
It appears that the plant's reactors weren't shelled. The fire started in a training area away from the nuclear reactors.

Yeah, and we all have seen just how precise Russia's artillery isn't.

The point is they shelled a nuclear facility. That's just stupid.

Stop getting your panties in a bunch. How's this for English: the plant's REACTORS weren't shelled. A nuclear power plant covers a lot more area than just the reactors and all of my statements are accurate.

Gee, fighting around a nuclear power plant is stupid... you think? Where did I say it wasn't???

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Originally posted by JR78:
That idiot Biden wants 10B in aide to Ukraine. How about flushing the bombers out of Barksdale and enact Linebacker III.

So, you're in alignment with CBS, MSNBC, CNN, etc?

Let's get World War III going right?

^^ Damage the cooling water towers and pumps and you will have a problem. They can probably shut the reactor down in time and avoid a meltdown, as long as the control systems aren't damaged, but then they will have to stay offline until repairs are done.

If Putin really meant business, power, water, and communications would have been hit first with air strikes. He is actually being very careful to leave infrastructure and utilities online. Why? Because he's after the government not the people.

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Originally posted by JR78:
That idiot Biden wants 10B in aide to Ukraine. How about flushing the bombers out of Barksdale and enact Linebacker III.

Nope
Nope
Nope

This is how the plot of the British movie Threads plays out; escalation after escalation and it ends with the world a radioactive, bombed out ruin. I don’t want that for my children or for anyone

If no one has ever heard or seen it, Threads came out a year after The Day After in 1984 and IMO was far better, more realistic and gritty. A terrifying movie for sure that we pray to never ever see play out.

How about bad-touch Biden get the $10bil from the $80+ billion he left in Afghanistan.

Biden is weak.
Putin saw this in the way we left Afghanistan.
And now here we are.

^^^ Yes, Threads was a lot better.

Putin still has options. Roll into a weak NATO country and tell NATO he will leave when the banking systems are restored and aid to Ukraine is cut off. Technically that would be the start of WWWIII by the terms of the treaty. But are we really going to enter a war with Russia over, say, Estonia?

No, Biden will try to negotiate because he doesn't give a shit about citizens or refugees. Check his record, he voted to against admitting Vietnam refugees, and we all know he sentenced thousands of Afghan collaborators to death by the Taliban. He will unilaterally cut them out of NATO and let them fall, or capitulate to Putin. I think Putin knows this. Then all of NATO will be in disarray and it's every country for itself. I think Germany sees this - the US is not going to react to Putin with nukes because of M.A.D. So they had better be ready with their own defense. Biden will just let Putin take what he wants for "the greater good".

This is why it's imperative for the US President to be credible when saying that any attack on NATO is an attack on all and will be met with overwhelming force with our entire arsenal. Reagan was credible. Trump I think was too. Biden is not. Not by a longshot. M.A.D. is only a deterrent if it is ASSURED.

$11 BILLION FOR IRAN

Like everything else, we most likely will never know the truth behind this invasion. For all we know, Hunter double dogged Putin to come and get his money.
It does benefit China though.

I wonder if the united pushback would still be there is Taiwan was not on the table. It does seem that the globalists are in lockstep.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Yes, American politicians calling for the assassination of foreign heads of state need to just shut the fuck up. Shameful and outrageous.

Hold on for a second and let's think about this!
What about a little "Quid pro quo"?
One or a couple of theirs get taken out, one or a couple of ours get taken out.
What about a 2 for 1 / BOGO sale?

Mano a Mano situation?
Two men enter the cage, one man leaves...
There's a hundred or so that we can toss into the ring with Putin. I've got one with the "biggest dick in Chicago" that seems pretty tough!

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$11 BILLION FOR IRAN

I don't know how true that is? It won't surprise me a bit if it is true. With Biden in charge, the only thing I am sure is, that he will choose the wrong thing.

Pompeo is spouting off now.

“It is my view that the U.S. government should immediately take necessary, and long-overdue, steps to do the right and obvious thing, that is to offer the Republic of China (Taiwan) America’s diplomatic recognition as a free and sovereign country,” Pompeo said in a statement.
Link

Sure let’s get something going with China and Taiwan now.
That’s a great idea.

I remember things going really well for Russia the last time they killed their leader.

Pompeo is suggesting doctrines that would work with a President at the helm who communicated strength, resolve, compassion, power and love for the United States and her people. Unfortunately his ideas don’t work with a dementia patient at the helm.

Did someone say ice cream ?

Stop.

We have to respect the OFFICE if not the holder.

Yeah, that ship has sailed

At this point, we could outsource it to India

It’s not what Pompeo said, it’s his timing on making the statement.