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Originally posted by maladat:

The real headline here: Balzé Halzé uses Gaston as his Disney+ avatar.

Easy there, killer. Gaston was the man.

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Just thinking here…wouldn’t blowing up bio weapons labs to protect people from bio weapons be kinda counterproductive?

Short of nuking it from orbit, you're probably correct.

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This is the stuff that legit keeps me up at night…

US doesn't stand 'a fighting chance' if Russia and China combine cyber tech, former Pentagon official says

China may already be sharing data with Russia, and America wouldn't stand "a fighting chance" if the two superpowers combined their cyber warfare capabilities, the U.S. Air Force's former chief software officer told Fox News.

"Not many nations would be able to push back," Nicolas Chaillan told Fox News. "I don't even think the United States would be able to push back if tomorrow Russia and China decide to come together against us."

"I think it would be very difficult for us to be able to even have a fighting chance, let alone a nation like Ukraine," he added. 

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Originally posted by Jimbo Jones:
My wife does business with a lady in Kharkiv and she left a voicemail through social media...she said Russians were using Grads (BM-21) to shell the city almost every night. These are multi-barrel rocket launchers and are notoriously inaccurate and likely just being used to terrorize the people of the city rather than for strategic target elimination.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by corsair:
The Russians just love their rocket attacks and have no compunction about wiping-out grid-squares, regardless of location, setting or, opposition. Their heavy, (you could say over-usage) of thermobaric warheads in their rocket attacks just reinforces their inability to be precise, exacting and focused.

In a sick sort of way, this type of warfare is 'good' as it makes people 1) terrified, and 2) sickened by the damage and losses. As such, this is the type of warfare that reminds people why war and fighting is 'bad'. The US's 'strategic' eliminations with virtually no collateral damage makes war far to clean and something not to be avoided at all costs.

For the first couple nights they seemed to target very specific targets but as time goes their target list seems to be expanding.

2 nights ago they hit the tank school, my family was 1.2 km away and thought the building was going to come down on them. Thankfully it drove them to finally take up the offer from a cousin to go 100km to the south east.

But now the russians (I believe....it makes sense) are pushing out to the south of kharkiv and they are caught again in the path of the russians/ukrainians, lucky for them they are on a farm in the middle of no where and not near a road/train junction as the russians seem to be hitting them at night. They are about 25-30km from the nearest targets and the russians do not seem to want to get very far from the MSRs due to it being in the mid 30s and they seems to have the bad habit of getting stuck.

It would seem that until the russians secure their southern flank they will not move into Kharkiv....that means more grad fire.

I would say the russians learned from Grozny but with the sloppy, fucked up way they have run this invasion so far I would not put it past them to repeat a Grozny pt1.



I lived in Kharkiv, in fact I lived 2-3 blocks from the square....I hate seeing my second home town being torn down. While my SIL and her family got out we still have several family members / friends there that we are in contact with daily.....all are ok so far

Regardless of the reasons Putin did invade Ukraine, what should our responce now be? A no fly zone in Ukraine, destabilzing the Russian economy into collapse? A lot to think about.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by corsair:
The Russians just love their rocket attacks and have no compunction about wiping-out grid-squares, regardless of location, setting or, opposition. Their heavy, (you could say over-usage) of thermobaric warheads in their rocket attacks just reinforces their inability to be precise, exacting and focused.

In a sick sort of way, this type of warfare is 'good' as it makes people 1) terrified, and 2) sickened by the damage and losses. As such, this is the type of warfare that reminds people why war and fighting is 'bad'. The US's 'strategic' eliminations with virtually no collateral damage makes war far to clean and something not to be avoided at all costs.

You gotta hand it to the Russian's, when they go to war, they take the military ethos of kill people and break things quite literally. There's no nuance, no degrees, we're rolling in, and fucking-shit up. As Ivan Drago once said, "I will break you". M

For all the advances in precision munitions and electronic warfare that the West has developed, it's simultaneously given the Western public a false sense of what war is and all that it entails. How many idiots were bloviating about a No-Fly Zone over Ukraine. With Russian war fighting doctrine, when all else fails, you bring in your trump-card: mass. Soviet/Russian methods could bring mass to the battlefield; overwhelm the opposition...if that means over-kill or, throwing their own soldiers against a wall until it cracks, they will do it. I think we're gonna see mass enter into the equation pretty soon.

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Originally posted by Jimbo Jones:
My wife does business with a lady in Kharkiv and she left a voicemail through social media...she said Russians were using Grads (BM-21) to shell the city almost every night. These are multi-barrel rocket launchers and are notoriously inaccurate and likely just being used to terrorize the people of the city rather than for strategic target elimination.

Russians more or less developed the MLRS (Multiple-Launch Rocket System) as a viable weapon on the battlefield. The BM-21 is the modern development of the WWII-era BM-13 Katyusha rockets, the Palestinian's favorite and the Isreali's Iron Dome best friend. The TORS-2 just entered service and that's what's causing the thermobaric explosions that are lighting up the night sky and tearing apart neighborhoods.

Yup; mass has a quality of its own.

It was there in plain sight the whole time, visible to the naked eye for all to see; with history.

It is amazing how badly people missed this point. And I’m talking about Europe and DC.

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Originally posted by dewhorse:
For the first couple nights they seemed to target very specific targets but as time goes their target list seems to be expanding.

That's one of the concerns: That, as Putin continues to be stymied and civilians continue to arm themselves, he'll increasingly see the latter as combatants, rather than civilians, and the shelling will become increasingly indiscriminate.

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Originally posted by dewhorse:
For the first couple nights they seemed to target very specific targets but as time goes their target list seems to be expanding.

That's one of the concerns: That, as Putin continues to be stymied and civilians continue to arm themselves, he'll increasingly see the latter as combatants, rather than civilians, and the shelling will become increasingly indiscriminate.

Indiscriminate as far as OUR standards, however for them, its perfectly fine or, good enough in their form of reason. Their GPS guided weapons aren't very good, no greater example than that missile missing the target building, and instead nailing an intersection in Kharkiv. Russian air strikes in Syria were so sloppy, every US SOF units that watched, shook their heads in amazement; one I guy I met remarked, "they were the most expensive landscaping company in the world." All the did was tear-down buildings and turn dirt.

I don't think he's shelling cities because the people are armed. He's shelling cities because that's just how he operates.

When he thought it was going to be a cakewalk he might have wanted to keep the infrastructure intact but now that's it's getting difficult he will have no problem leveling cities.

Is it safe to assume that Ukraine has no long-range missiles that they could could fire into Russia? I know they gave up their nuclear weapons, but do they have a conventional capacity that haven't dared use?

I think the reason all the leftists are so enthusiastically on the "Ukraine Train" is that the sanctions are the FIRST thing president potato did that the country can get behind. . .

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No more Russian dressing at restaurants, I imagine.

Naturally. It will be rebranded as Freedom Dressing.

I'm thinking Putin would have loved nothing better than to have had a swift victory so he could pose for a portrait Il-sung/Jong-Il/Jong-Un style on horseback, bare-chested against a backdrop of burning Western cities. I bet he was keen on Frank Frazetta art back in the day too.

Unfortunately for him, as someone mentioned elsehwere, Ukraine is a bit of a porcupine the Russian Bear is having trouble swallowing at the moment.

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Is it safe to assume that Ukraine has no long-range missiles that they could could fire into Russia? I know they gave up their nuclear weapons, but do they have a conventional capacity that haven't dared use?

If they'd kept just one nuke in the middle of Kiev and told Putin that if he takes Ukraine they will detonate it, they might have avoided all this. Kind of the Doomsday Machine idea from Dr. Strangelove. We can't stop you from attacking, but we can make it so that what you capture is worthless.

How they gave up the nukes without joining NATO, and trusted a non-aggression "promise" from Russia was pretty foolish. They basically got the equivalent of a letter of intent but no contract.

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I lived in Kharkiv, in fact I lived 2-3 blocks from the square....I hate seeing my second home town being torn down. While my SIL and her family got out we still have several family members / friends there that we are in contact with daily.....all are ok so far

I truly hope your friends and family will make it out of this ok. Sometimes we forget about the human cost when we are playing armchair general.

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Originally posted by BB61:
Is it safe to assume that Ukraine has no long-range missiles that they could could fire into Russia? I know they gave up their nuclear weapons, but do they have a conventional capacity that haven't dared use?

If they'd kept just one nuke in the middle of Kiev and told Putin that if he takes Ukraine they will detonate it, they might have avoided all this. Kind of the Doomsday Machine idea from Dr. Strangelove. We can't stop you from attacking, but we can make it so that what you capture is worthless.

How they gave up the nukes without joining NATO, and trusted a non-aggression "promise" from Russia was pretty foolish. They basically got the equivalent of a letter of intent but no contract.

I wonder when they split if anyone with the launch/detonate codes was still around or if they had atomic paperweights?

Appears to be combat and fires at Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.
https://youtu.be/ph9yj8TlLTU

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
This is the stuff that legit keeps me up at night…

US doesn't stand 'a fighting chance' if Russia and China combine cyber tech, former Pentagon official says

China may already be sharing data with Russia, and America wouldn't stand "a fighting chance" if the two superpowers combined their cyber warfare capabilities, the U.S. Air Force's former chief software officer told Fox News.

"Not many nations would be able to push back," Nicolas Chaillan told Fox News. "I don't even think the United States would be able to push back if tomorrow Russia and China decide to come together against us."

"I think it would be very difficult for us to be able to even have a fighting chance, let alone a nation like Ukraine," he added. 

To our knees with the flip of a switch...and nobody who should care seems to.

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Appears to be combat and fires at Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.
https://youtu.be/ph9yj8TlLTU

Well that's not good.