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Originally posted by sse:
if this get's legs I wouldn't be surprised if the proletariat dares to join in

i don't think people fully grasp what the Wagner guy meant when he said the troops are willing to die, but Putin does

Yeah, if they don't win they will be executed. You can't go half-way in on a coup d'é·tat.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by sse:
if this get's legs I wouldn't be surprised if the proletariat dares to join in

i don't think people fully grasp what the Wagner guy meant when he said the troops are willing to die, but Putin does

Yeah, if they don't win they will be executed. You can't go half-way in on a coup d'é·tat.

ferocious people with nothing to lose is a great problem for their adversary

BTW, i don't have links but twitter participants are way ahead of Fox. what a world we live in

This may actually be happening and it might be an attempted coup. Although;

One would think the Russian government would have the ability to stop all internet traffic, and communications until the situation was resolved.

So why haven't they?

Not that long ago videos were coming out of China showing people being welded in their apartments because a new deadly virus was spreading around the world. The Chinese government allowed that information out and the world became panic stricken. I look back and think all that information was allowed to leave China to instill fear.

As everyone should know by now, any initial reports about an active conflict can be wildly inaccurate, or even complete lies.

I wonder if BansheeOne has any more info?

This very well could be a whole lot of hype

This twitter account has some good information as well as some good responses.

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfa.../1672581931739881473

If it is true, I wonder how Ukraine will take advantage of the chaos.

Moscow's mayor, Sergei Sobyanin, said in a message posted to Telegram that a “counter-terrorist operation” is underway in the city and that city services are on “high alert," according to a translation.

He called for residents to "refrain from traveling around the city as much as possible" and said traffic could be blocked in certain areas.

He added that he has declared Monday a non-working day except for key services and the military.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/w...kraine-pro-rcna90934


video about Prigozhin (former hot dog seller)

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-66008501

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Originally posted by PASig:
I’m not certain an unstable Russia with a potential civil war happening inside its borders is going to be a good thing for anyone. I’m sure these globalist neocon/warmonger types are loving it though.

Yeah, I completely agree. Putin is not a good guy, but the devil you know….

I wouldn't pretend to be able to predict the outcome of all this, assuming that it's even actually occurring, but I can tell you that the idea of Putin being out of power is a truly pleasant thought, and even more pleasant is the idea of him hanging upside down in Red Square a la Mussolini.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I wouldn't pretend to be able to predict the outcome of all this, assuming that it's even actually occurring, ...

It is. I've an acquaintance in Moscow. He just gave me the skinny. Or at least as much of it as of which he's aware.

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they took rostov and voronezh tonight and come to moscow region
moving very fast
tanks, armored vehicles, howitzers, lots'a ammo, rockets. already took down a helicopter near rostov, there were no more attempts to fight them

"They" being the Wagner Group, headed by "Putin's chef," Yevgeny Prigozhin

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Originally posted by PASig:
I wonder if BansheeOne has any more info?

This very well could be a whole lot of hype

Right now I'm just watching the show munching popcorn, like everyone else. What I can say from looking at the Russian blogosphere is that they're treating this as a bona fide power struggle, not some kind of political theater or CIA MI6 NWO UFO-sponsored coup attempt; though they're not sure where it's going either. Meanwhile outlets usually spreading the official Russian "Russia good, Ukraine Nazis, war NATO's fault" narratives seem in dire need of instructions.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I wouldn't pretend to be able to predict the outcome of all this, assuming that it's even actually occurring, but I can tell you that the idea of Putin being out of power is a truly pleasant thought, and even more pleasant is the idea of him hanging upside down in Red Square a la Mussolini.

I’d settle for a Nicholae Ceaucescu, pulled out of an APC he was trying to flee in, lined up and shot by his own men.

No coup is ever successful without the support of the military.

I would think Prigozhin is not so stupid as to start this without knowing the Russian military will not put up much resistance. OR he may be banking on the fact that the rank and file and junior officers will refuse to fight even if the higher ups order them to.

Russia has plenty of aircraft and tactical nukes. A ground convoy would not survive full attack from air. Of course there would be a lot of collateral damage and for what - to keep Putin in power longer?

Just have to see how this plays out. Hopefully the Russian military is tired of Putin and ready for change. But then the new guy might be worse...

Well latest news is that Belarussian president Alexander Lukashenko negotiated with Prigozhin over the day on Putin's behalf, and they reached an agreement to avoid bloodshed, including security guarantees for the Wagner troops. Prigozhin has reportedly confirmed he's stopped the advance and they're returning to their bases.

Somewhat anti-climactic after all the excitement, but it will be interesting to see further details of that agreement. And obviously, this episode will have profound effects on the war in Ukraine and beyond for Russia.

^^^Where are their 'bases'?

Say what? They did what?

I can't take credit for the quote, but out in the twitter world a comment was made poking fun at all of the neocons who were getting excited at the possibility of regime change.

"The biggest loss in all of this mess is Lindsay Graham's erection."

With all of the information/disinformation out there, I wish I could comprehend the end goal here - at a local level, a regional level, and a world wide level. Whole thing was sounding like a Tom Clancy novel.

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Originally posted by BansheeOne:
Prigozhin has reportedly confirmed he's stopped the advance and they're returning to their bases.

Meanwhile, according to my friend in Moscow:

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Tula. 170Km from Moscow
russian forces damaged several bridges over Oka river
in order to stop Wagner

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is the shittiest coup I've ever seen.

"WE ARE WILLING TO DIE FOR OUR BELIEFS AND...ooh, donuts! OK, never mind. Gimee a jelly-filled and one of those crullers.."