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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Agree. Bad pinch. And not only is it bad, the Cop had to know it would go viral. When will Cops figure out that everyone is video equipped these days? And I NEVER attempted to get a blood sample for another agency. For someone who is not a suspect or arrestee? Can you say "Chain of Custody" problem? If this other agency wanted a blood draw, they should have sent one of their own to get it. And if the hospital staff would have refused me anything, I would asked my prosecutor for a subpoena for the records I needed. All ERs routinely check for blood alcohol levels since that info is needed for proper treatment.
There was more than one way to skin this cat without all this insanity.


This. A lot of cops don't understand that everyone has a cell phone camera and they can't wait to shoot video and post it on social media. If this incident had occurred 15 - 20 years ago nobody would have heard about it.


Police realize everyone has cameras, a lot of police have body cams. You see video after of video of people doing stupid shit. Look at Youtube. Cameras don't stop idiots, just makes them more visible.
 
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Cameras don't stop idiots, just makes them more visible.

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The cop himself had a body camera and that didn't stop him.




 
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For the uninitiated: the law in this state allows blood draws on unconscious subjects when they are (aware or not) that they are under arrest for DUI. Nurses, under the law, medical personnel are exempt from liability when conducting blood draws which are required from the state. We've seen a lack of cooperation from ER staff from time to time, but have never resorted to this kind of silliness. That doesn't serve anyone well. I'm not sure what happened here, but it was handled incorrectly to the nth degree.


There was no evidence the person from whom the DOUCHEBADGE wanted blood was intoxicated. Zero.
And he was not under arrest. Therefore, your statement is a nonsequiter.

Wubbels carefully explained the law and policy and the DOUCHEBADGE arrested her because that's what douchebadges do when you refuse to implicate yourself in their criminal behavior.

As for everyone having video cameras, the most egregious video was from the douchebadge's own body camera!





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Originally posted by enidpd804:
For the uninitiated: the law in this state allows blood draws on unconscious subjects when they are (aware or not) that they are under arrest for DUI. Nurses, under the law, medical personnel are exempt from liability when conducting blood draws which are required from the state. We've seen a lack of cooperation from ER staff from time to time, but have never resorted to this kind of silliness. That doesn't serve anyone well. I'm not sure what happened here, but it was handled incorrectly to the nth degree.


There was no evidence the person from whom the DOUCHEBADGE wanted blood was intoxicated. Zero.
And he was not under arrest. Therefore, your statement is a nonsequiter.

Wubbels carefully explained the law and policy and the DOUCHEBADGE arrested her because that's what douchebadges do when you refuse to implicate yourself in their criminal behavior.

As for everyone having video cameras, the most egregious video was from the douchebadge's own body camera!
I'll add that the unconscious VICTIM is a reserve law enforcement officer from Rigby, Idaho. Here an excerpt from the chief of police in Rigby's response:
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The arresting officers shown on the video were looking to draw blood from a critically injured unconscious semi-truck driver who had been the victim of a head-on collision with a suspect fleeing police.

So what's the victim accused of that would warrant a blood draw as defined by state law? Innocent bystander comes to mind.


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So what's the victim accused of that would warrant a blood draw as defined by state law? Innocent bystander comes to mind.



Blood draw and state law? None. By federal regulation the driver is obligated to submit to drug testing as he was operating a commercial motor vehicle that was involved in a fatality accident.

This still shouldn't have anything to do with what happened here. If any testing is administered that involve the police, that testing is suitable to meet the DOT requirements. Otherwise the employer is responsible for sending their driver for testing.


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Here in Georgia, any CDL driver involved in a fatal collision, at fault or not, is required to have a blood test.


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A subpoena for those labs at a latter date would have been just fine. That of course assumes you can't get the victim to sign a medical release where he signs a one page form and the hospital copies all of the medical, treatment, xrays, labs and doctors notes which would have had his blood alcohol content. Thanks SLC and Det Payne. I am going to be apologizing to every nurse I know and work with for the next year because of you!


Agree, in spades, x1000.

Shit like this is the reason we can't have nice things.
 
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Gray was severely injured in a northern Utah crash in July while working his full-time job as a truck driver. According to Tower, a suspect was fleeing Utah State Highway Patrol when the suspect's vehicle collided with Gray's truck.


I guess I don't understand the cops hard-on for getting blood from a victim that was hit by a fleeing suspect.
 
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So what did this guy and his supervisor actually commit? They took her away by force, against her will, without any evidence of a crime. Isn't that abduction? If it's not, it damn well should be.

Utah like Arizona, assault of a healthcare worker is a felony.




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So what did this guy and his supervisor actually commit? They took her away by force, against her will, without any evidence of a crime. Isn't that abduction? If it's not, it damn well should be.

Utah like Arizona, assault of a healthcare worker is a felony.


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Here in Georgia, any CDL driver involved in a fatal collision, at fault or not, is required to have a blood test.

If that's the case, I see no reason why a judge would not issue a warrant for the blood draw. In the long version of the video, the arresting officer can be heard stating that he does not have a warrant.




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If that's the case, I see no reason why a judge would not issue a warrant for the blood draw. In the long version of the video, the arresting officer can be heard stating that he does not have a warrant.

Because a warrant may only issue on probable cause that a crime was committed, not because some civil administrative law says that a blood test needs to be done.



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I guess I don't understand the cops hard-on for getting blood from a victim that was hit by a fleeing suspect.

That was the original thing. The hard-on came when he was refused. Perhaps he's not accustomed to being told "no" by mere citizens?



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all of this could have been avoided and handled professionally by doing one of two things:

1. get a warrant

2. get a subpoena at a later time for the hospital records...

now this guy makes the rest of cops look like assholes and it makes their jobs harder

douche



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Police dash camera footage of the attempted murder of the semi driver.

I say attempted murder because this was no accident.

It was deliberate suicide while trying to murder an innocent stranger.




Link to original video: https://youtu.be/MtUb33u4bco





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So what did this guy and his supervisor actually commit? They took her away by force, against her will, without any evidence of a crime. Isn't that abduction? If it's not, it damn well should be.

Utah like Arizona, assault of a healthcare worker is a felony.


Seems they have ordered a criminal investigation of the officer and his supervisor re the arrest, plus an internal citizen's board review. The Salt Lake police chief, major apologized to nurse Wubbels. The Utah governor and nurses association expressed concern over the police actions. The officer/supervisor were put on leave from the police dept (had to turn their gear in?) and the officer was put on leave from his ambulance driving job. I don't think I have heard of a single voice standing up for the officer.

I wonder what Officer Payne and his supervisor are thinking right now. Are they still belligerent? Or are they realizing how badly they screwed up?




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all of this could have been avoided and handled professionally by doing one of two things:

1. get a warrant

2. get a subpoena at a later time for the hospital records...

now this guy makes the rest of cops look like assholes and it makes their jobs harder

douche


Correct.

"I need blood from the victim"
"Not without a warrant"
"OK"
 
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I wonder what Officer Payne and his supervisor are thinking right now.

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