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Originally posted by ElToro:
this episode should be called: "When you arrest somebody for contempt of cop and it goes monumentally wrong"

Curious that this went down a month ago and nothing happens until now when it goes national. Somebody higher up other than these jokers on the scene knew about this. All hoping it would just disappear. Now it's all press conferences and phone call apologies from the mayor and chief etc.

Best comment from the body cam. " I wonder how this is going to affect my Gold Cross job" (he's also an ambulance driver). Well they have promptly suspended him and I suspect won't be working there for long either.

Wow. What a way to implode your career.

Kinda interesting if his wife was a nurse.

One thing I can't get over is everybody calling him an "ambulance driver". I don't think you guys realize how offensive that is to those who "drive ambulances".

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Originally posted by ElToro:
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Curious that this went down a month ago and nothing happens until now when it goes national.
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I suspect that Ms. Wubbels, upon advice of counsel, blew this up because NOTHING happened in that month.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by ElToro:
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Curious that this went down a month ago and nothing happens until now when it goes national.
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I suspect that Ms. Wubbels, upon advice of counsel, blew this up because NOTHING happened in that month.

They are just now realizing that action should have been taken? Now the "apology" will come with 7 digits.

Too bad they weren't as diligent with an apology as they were with assaulting her.

Lemme tell you how fucked up the "system" is.

Cobb County just fired an officer for an off color smartassed remark that only deserved a verbal reprimand, but KEEPS an officer who is out there BLATANTLY arresting people on trumped up FALSE drug charges that get dismissed after these people are completely destroyed financially. Hell, he even gets promoted.

This guy, you can tell is a good officer with a macabre sense of humor.

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/...H64z17G9WrybtMj92tI/

This is a shitbag.

http://www.11alive.com/news/in...-whisperer/437061710

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Originally posted by XinTX:
...His peers stand by and watch...

In the Laquan McDonald case in Chicago, it started with this and ended with charges against a bunch of them, beyond the murder charges against the cop who did the shooting.

I don't care how they were trained, they witnessed their colleague commit several felonies, and effectively did nothing to prevent it. That's "conspiracy" in my book, and they should all do hard time for it.

What is police deceit

Slippery slope, concepts not fully grokked can lead to blurry lines.

In reality the individuals here are using the governments power/force to coerce someone into commit a crime for them.

Their actions whether through ignorance or malice, are criminal, and to the individual citizen affected the words/actions bear the full weight of the government behind them, very hard to stand ones ground!


Supreme Court ruling last year adding to the morass, the case came out of: South Salt Lake City Police Department

It makes me smile to know how much money she's gonna be getting.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by enidpd804:
For the uninitiated: the law in this state allows blood draws on unconscious subjects when they are (aware or not) that they are under arrest for DUI. Nurses, under the law, medical personnel are exempt from liability when conducting blood draws which are required from the state. We've seen a lack of cooperation from ER staff from time to time, but have never resorted to this kind of silliness. That doesn't serve anyone well. I'm not sure what happened here, but it was handled incorrectly to the nth degree.

There was no evidence the person from whom the DOUCHEBADGE wanted blood was intoxicated. Zero.
And he was not under arrest. Therefore, your statement is a nonsequiter.

I'm no disagreeing exactly. I do disagree that my statement is non sequitur, but the "unconsciousness" argument being made throughout the thread is incorrect. Blood can be drawn from anyone here who has even committed a traffic violation that resulted in serious bodily injury or death. I know that's not the case here. It looks like they may have been trying to get blood to prove he was not drinking. I have no way of knowing. Either way, arresting a nurse in that situation is unacceptable and I hope there will be consequences.

Also, you could hide your anti-LEO sentiments easier if you just called him a douchebag (which is probably fitting) rather than douchebadge in all caps.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
It makes me smile to know how much money she's gonna be getting.

Me too. Concerns have been expressed about the cost to the good citizens of SLC as opposed to the officers et al who performed center ring in that day's circus. If there are huge financial ramifications, the good citizens of SLC need to understand that this is the PD that they've built, staffed, and support. How numerous and loud have the outcries been re that fact that this officer is still working and, I assume, being paid?

Of course, common decency requires that there be some concern that the officer(s) are also treated fairly and have their day in court, so to speak. To that end, I'm considering contacting the DA for SLC and volunteering for jury duty if/when these fine folks are charged. If anyone would care to join me, he can be reached at districtAttorney@slco.org

Everyone says they want an impartial jury. Sorry, FrankT, you don't fit.

Juries seem unwilling, usually, to convict a cop who was on duty. In this case, nearly everyone wants him gone. I'm thinking he wouldn't even want a jury trial. He'd probably do better with a bench trial.

His victim doesn't seem to be seeking a big payday. She just wants the injustice aired, and she certainly has gotten that.

I wonder what happens when the hospital bans the cop from their premises because of his bad conduct. What is a PD to do when that takes place? Can they send him there in the future? Can a hospital ban someone for their prior conduct, even a cop? Is it criminal trespass or does he have the right to go as he pleases?

Is there more to this story than meets the eye? Does he have pull from a friend or relative or the church? He sure seems to be getting the kid glove treatment here, or was.

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Originally posted by enidpd804:
Also, you could hide your anti-LEO sentiments easier if you just called him a douchebag (which is probably fitting) rather than douchebadge in all caps.

I am not going to speak for Sig2340 but I don't think that calling a heavy handed or corrupt cop a "douchebadge" as anything that constitutes as anti-LEO sentiment. It was a simple play words that you find offense with, however fitting it may be? I can tell you this about people. There are good and wholesome people,that I would never say an ill word about, and there are assholes that believe they are gods gift to mankind that have an over inflated sense of worth or intelligence (typically both). Some of BOTH groups make up the LEO community, just like any other group out there. We point out assholes of every other profession, so why not LEO too? You too good to be called names?

Has there been any information that the cop has personally apologized to the nurse. A sincere apology can go a long ways to mitigating a bad act.

Unless of course he adds an explanatory statement like his bad act was caused by the drugs he was taking.

Help me be clear, was the cop wanting to do the blood drawing? I am confused after reading more about this and seeing that he was on "the blood team"?

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Help me be clear, was the cop wanting to do the blood drawing?

No.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
Help me be clear, was the cop wanting to do the blood drawing? I am confused after reading more about this and seeing that he was on "the blood team"?

From what I understand he asked her to draw. I'm guessing this type of situation doesn't apply for whatever blood draw program he was part of.

Here is an interview with the nurse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zafTlclc090

http://kutv.com/news/local/exc...onse-of-arrest-video

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Originally posted by enidpd804:
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Also, you could hide your anti-LEO sentiments easier if you just called him a douchebag (which is probably fitting) rather than douchebadge in all caps.

I do not have anything against law enforcement as a whole. In fact my closest friend is a senior criminal investigator for the Internal Revenue Service. How's that for an anti-LEO sentiment? I know many other law enforcement officers for whom I have the highest regard. One, a member here, actually quit a force because he couldn't stand the bullshit in that organization. Quit, as in left with no other job lined up. I think it was one of the most courageous and responsible things I've ever seen a man do. My postings here make clear I oppose individuals abusing the authority entrusted to them, and only in rare instances (e.g., BATFE and Fast and Furious, Comey letting Felonia von Pantsuit skate) do I attack the organization as a whole.

So I utterly reject you labeling me as having blanket "anti-LEO sentiments."

Now I do have a serious dislike of individual officers, such as the DOUCHEBADGE in this case.

He was videoed on his own body camera violating the rights of the nurse by attempting to coerce a nurse into an act that could have cost her job, her license, and her freedom. He also falsely arrested the nurse, even though HE KNEW HE DID NOT HAVE A LEGAL LEG TO STAND ON (e.g., no PC to collect the sample himself). He was later videoed talking about violating the rights of the victim by sneaking into the hospital to draw the d himself.

To simply call him a douchebag is inadequate, and frankly, an insult to all the docuhebags out there.

His abuse of the authority entrusted to him by the people of the State of Utah earned the him sobriquet DOUCHEBADGE (i.e, a douchebag with a badge).

At around 15:20 - depending on which posting of the video you're watching -the SLPD supervisor hints at his long-term disdain for having to deal with the hospital when he clearly states to the hospital admin person on the scene, "There's a very bad habit up here of your policy interfering with my law." Hmmm, his law. Wow. But I'm sure that attitude was probably his and his alone and had absolutely nothing to do with macho man Payne's treatment of the nurse.

I also find it interesting that when one of the other officer's needed the victim's name to ascertain if he had a Utah driver's license, Payne informed him that it was in his log which was in his blood draw kit in the trunk of his car. Just spitballing here but I wonder if it had been placed in the blood draw kit so it would be handy when he went to draw the victim's blood at the hospital?

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Help me be clear, was the cop wanting to do the blood drawing? I am confused after reading more about this and seeing that he was on "the blood team"?

Yes, he was. He made a statement in one of the many, many video fragments now available out there that his supervisor had instructed him if she wouldn't allow him to take the blood sample, arrest her. He also made a statement that he was leaving there with a vial of blood or her under arrest. Hmm...wonder which one he left with?

I have a feeling that if the department and the DA ever get around to demanding accountability from these clowns- hopefully not under that one supervisor's law (his law) - Officer Payne is going to have some company in the spotlight.

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Originally posted by ElToro:
this episode should be called: "When you arrest somebody for contempt of cop and it goes monumentally wrong"

Curious that this went down a month ago and nothing happens until now when it goes national.

But from his point of view, what has gone "monumentally wrong"? I mean, he was fine for a month, now he gets paid vacation. If that's what happens, heck, hand me a badge and I'll go cuff a nurse myself. Guy should be facing a jury for kidnapping charges and his peers who stood by should be facing conspiracy charges as well.