I thought they wanted to 'Defund the Police'...

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
Just trying to deflect blame so if in the future someone else gets shot they can blame the cop.

Not just to avoid blame if someone gets shot in the future, but it’s also a somewhat-subtle way of saying, “Although we didn’t realize it at the time, not having a police officer present to ensure safety is why that incident happened.” That in turn distances the responsibility further from the actor who pointed the gun and pulled the trigger. It’s similar to saying, “There was no lifeguard there to warn us about rip tides, and that’s why my brother drowned.” Not only should someone else have been there to ensure the safety, someone else (probably the government) should have ensured that someone else was there to ensure safety. We see that sort of argument all the time about countless different things when trying to deflect attention from the real issues, “Why didn’t somebody [not me, though] do something‽”

It also furthers the agenda that "only the government should have guns." You may get to touch one, but only if the cop is there.

Think about it for a moment --- want to shoot a gun at your local range, well, a cop needs to be there for your own safety.

Yes, It's a stretch, but not a large one. Heck, as it is today, I need to go to the cops every 4 years and ask permission to CCW outside my home. (your state laws may vary)

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
^^^
Typical knee jerk leftism.

To be fair, I’d call it an instinct for self preservation. If I had to be surrounded by ignorant lefttards pointing guns at my work, I’d give serious thought to requiring those “guns” be blocks of solid rubber.

Agreed, and a typical, big-business reaction to perceived danger. Organizations tend to over-react to dangers, and adopt extreme solutions to problems on the theory that if a little medicine is good, a lot is even better. I don't think you can ascribe it to politics.

Everything that happened is someone else's fault. No one is accountable or responsible for their own actions.

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
LOL, now Baldwin says he thinks there should be a police officer on each set specifically to ensure gun safety.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-n...aldwin-shooting-rust

"Every film/TV set that uses guns, fake or otherwise, should have a police officer on set, hired by the production, to specifically monitor weapons safety,” he wrote Monday.

Umm, aren’t you one of the producers on the show where you shot someone? Why didn’t you do this?

Also, why do you believe that police officers are any better than civilians or other people experienced with firearms in handling guns safely? The number of ADs in the hands of police seems to indicate that they aren’t any better.

Just trying to deflect blame so if in the future someone else gets shot they can blame the cop.

With apologies to the policemen here, I agree, a lot of cops I have observed are no more familiar with guns than the average schmoe.

You need someone who actually knows about guns. You need to hire a Thell Reed (apparently not his daughter) for this job. I think Taran Butler (a three gun shooter) consults in the movie business. He is more to make them look like real shooters, but he could handle safety, too.

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Originally posted by jhe888:


With apologies to the policemen here, I agree, a lot of cops I have observed are no more familiar with guns than the average schmoe.

You need someone who actually knows about guns. You need to hire a Thell Reed (apparently not his daughter) for this job. I think Taran Butler (a three gun shooter) consults in the movie business. He is more to make them look like real shooters, but he could handle safety, too.

No apologies needed, and you're absolutely right.
Only if they had someone that would be qualified in such things, you know, like handling guns, prop guns... Maybe some dude that knows something about explosives, or "falls", or how to "drive fast"...
They get some certificates for what they do, then they can get hired on a movie set!

Taran Butler did the weapons stuff for the John Wick series, IIRC.

When Baldwin made that statement, I wonder if he realized the officer would have had to shoot him to prevent him from shooting the two victims.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
Agreed, and a typical, big-business reaction to perceived danger. Organizations tend to over-react to dangers, and adopt extreme solutions to problems on the theory that if a little medicine is good, a lot is even better. I don't think you can ascribe it to politics.

'Or' this can just be ascribed to the people in charge sporting little 'real' ability. Knee jerk reactions track back many times to people who, shall we say, aren't brilliant or even good at what they do. Case in point. When I was in my early 20's working for a large super-regional bank, I worked the disaster response for Hurricane Andrew in South Florida. Back then, mainframes were water cooled. I sat in a meeting and the senior most individual in the room, a man with 25 years of banking operations experience suggested we send tanker trucks from Orlando to south Florida for use in cooling the systems since local water service had been severed. I suggested that would not be the most successful option given the population in that area of South Florida had no drinking water at the time. As a 20 something, my comments were of course totally ignored and the tankers were sent. They didn't make it five miles into the hurricane area before they were stopped and confiscated to provide emergency water for the people being helped by state and federal emergency groups. I child should have known better than to make this mistake yet a 20+ year veteran employee didn't.

After three weeks of investigations there are still no charges?

Why, pray tell?

They're not trying to solve the Kennedy assassination for Pete's sake. It's a simple shooting death with plenty of witnesses standing ten feet away watching the whole thing.

If I had to wager, he's going to walk.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
After three weeks of investigations there are still no charges?

Why, pray tell?
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The press conference indicated they (Sheriff and DA) intended to interview everyone on set at the time of the shooting (reportedly @ 90-100 people). Also, the live rounds/ dummy rounds/ blanks, reportedly @ 500 of them recovered from the set were sent to the FBI lab in Quantico for forensic ballistic testing. I could see either, or both of these holding up an investigation while waiting for results.

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Originally posted by jhe888:


With apologies to the policemen here, I agree, a lot of cops I have observed are no more familiar with guns than the average schmoe.

You need someone who actually knows about guns. You need to hire a Thell Reed (apparently not his daughter) for this job. I think Taran Butler (a three gun shooter) consults in the movie business. He is more to make them look like real shooters, but he could handle safety, too.

Most of the cops I've worked with only shoot once a year at qualification time. No need to apologize to me.

I would guess a full Tox screen from the autopsy is taking some time, too.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
After three weeks of investigations there are still no charges?

This case will go to a grand jury for any charges, and that can be particularly time consuming, particularly in counties that don't have a full-time grand jury empaneled. And it won't go to a grand jury until the entire investigation is completed.

I really resisted writing anything about this incident, but decided to do my part to get it to 40 pages.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
I would guess a full Tox screen from the autopsy is taking some time, too.

Would they do a tox screen on Baldwin as well, during investigations like this?

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
After three weeks of investigations there are still no charges?

Why, pray tell?

They're not trying to solve the Kennedy assassination for Pete's sake. It's a simple shooting death with plenty of witnesses standing ten feet away watching the whole thing.

If I had to wager, he's going to walk.

I bet Baldwin the actor walks. Baldwin the producer will be forced to bear some of the responsibility for the wrongful death.

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
After three weeks of investigations there are still no charges?

Why, pray tell?
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The press conference indicated they (Sheriff and DA) intended to interview everyone on set at the time of the shooting (reportedly @ 90-100 people). Also, the live rounds/ dummy rounds/ blanks, reportedly @ 500 of them recovered from the set were sent to the FBI lab in Quantico for forensic ballistic testing. I could see either, or both of these holding up an investigation while waiting for results.

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Also New Mexico's M.E. (medical examiner) is back-logged, record number of fentyal deaths lately.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
LOL, now Baldwin says he thinks there should be a police officer on each set specifically to ensure gun safety.

Great idea, that officer can also assure that all vehicle related stunts are done properly as they clearly have experience with accidents.

They can also oversee any scenes involving eating as they do that on the job quite often as well.

Who'da thought police officers were such experts in everything. Firefighters of course but officers really boggle the mind.

So hiring a law enforcement officer who receives firearm training as one part of their job will make the set safer than a professional armorer whose literal only job is making sure firearms are used safely on movie sets? Or, in other words, a cop off the street is better at an armorer’s job than an armorer is? Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

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Originally posted by DaveL:

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Originally posted by Rightwire:

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
LOL, now Baldwin says he thinks there should be a police officer on each set specifically to ensure gun safety.

Great idea, that officer can also assure that all vehicle related stunts are done properly as they clearly have experience with accidents.

They can also oversee any scenes involving eating as they do that on the job quite often as well.

Who'da thought police officers were such experts in everything. Firefighters of course but officers really boggle the mind.

So hiring a law enforcement officer who receives firearm training as one part of their job will make the set safer than a professional armorer whose literal only job is making sure firearms are used safely on movie sets? Or, in other words, a cop off the street is better at an armorer’s job than an armorer is? Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Having a cop do the job may not be the best idea, in at least one respect I would expect a cop to do a better job than the young woman who acted as armorer on that movie.

In addition to knowing how to handle the guns correctly, the armorer needs to be able to project authority and handle the actors and other personnel on the set. I suspect it would be a rare cop that wouldn’t be better at that part of the job than she was.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
After three weeks of investigations there are still no charges?

Why, pray tell?

If this was 5 people shooting a Tik Tok in the back yard the criminal case would already be on the court schedule.

Star Wars fans will get this one right away