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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Colt SAA Guys (if thats what it was) step in and refresh my memory:
Should an SAA have a worn trigger / sear / hammer, and your thumb slips off the hammer during cocking, cant the half cock notch fail to engage and hold the hammer, thus allowing the hammer to go all the way forward and set off the cartridge?
When I had a Colt clone (Hawes Western Marshal) I was taught to never rely on the half cock notch for safety.
If so, Baldwin may not have pulled the trigger. But since he was cocking it, it would be a moot point anyway.

Even if this was true, he was still cocking the gun while pointing it people. You don’t point a gun at someone unless you intend/expect to shoot. No amount of scenarios of how the gun might have failed or how he might have fat fingered the hammer explain why when was pointing a gun at someone. If he wasn’t pointing the gun at people, it would have just been an embarrassing accidental discharge into the ground or a wall, and not be a homicide.

Yooper you are correct, yet if Baldwin had followed one of the rules no one should have been shot . All he had to do was not point the gun at a person. Or knowing your target and what is behind it.

Here’s a good tutorial on the SAA… https://www.bevfitchett.us/col...ammer-positions.html

No doubt the revolver will be examined to see if it is in proper working condition.
A single-action revolver doesn't just shoot itself, as we all know.
Pretty lame, Alec.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
Probably shouldn’t be giving interviews.

Good line though, will go down in history just like ”I did not have sexual relations with that woman”

Nope, he ABSOLUTELY SHOULD keep giving interviews!
Keep talkin' Alec, just keep on talking!
Let's see how far you can stick your foot in your mouth! I hope this alllll comes back to bite him on his ass!

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Colt SAA Guys (if thats what it was) step in and refresh my memory:
Should an SAA have a worn trigger / sear / hammer, and your thumb slips off the hammer during cocking, cant the half cock notch fail to engage and hold the hammer, thus allowing the hammer to go all the way forward and set off the cartridge?
When I had a Colt clone (Hawes Western Marshal) I was taught to never rely on the half cock notch for safety.
If so, Baldwin may not have pulled the trigger. But since he was cocking it, it would be a moot point anyway.

It depends on the exact model of pistol he was using. If it was a modern Uberti SAA, the current models eliminate the safety notch and incorporate a spring-loaded retractable firing pin that only activates the firing pin when there is pressure on the trigger. An original 4-click Colt-style action can fire if the safety or half cock notches are broken and the hammer is allowed to fall, but that's a lot of things to fail. The classic scenario that led many to advocate carrying with the hammer on an empty chamber is possibility of the round being fired if the gun is dropped on the hammer in the safety notch position, which can easily break that notch and strike the primer.

The Western Marshal had a frame mounted firing pin and a flat hammer, but when uncocked, the firing pin rested on the primer. No transfer bar. Not drop safe. It was 4 click Colt in operation otherwise. I was unaware of the Uberti system.

I thought one of the earlier articles said it was a Uberti. If that’s true, nice try liar, but no soap.

Didn’t pull the trigger. That’s his defense? What an absurdity. Is he trying to assert then, that the gun just “went off?” Or perhaps he will try and blame someone else for “setting him up”?

Yes, by all means, let this backpedaling fool talk. Every word he utters makes him look like the liar he is. You would have thought at this point that his lawyer would have told him to shut the hell up (perhaps he did) but this arrogant asshole…just…can’t.

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Originally posted by slosig:
I thought one of the earlier articles said it was a Uberti. If that’s true, nice try liar, but no soap.

If it was in fact a modern Uberti with the firing pin safety, his explanation is impossible. The gun will not fire without a finger applying pressure to the trigger. This video shows how it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow

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Originally posted by bigwagon:

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Originally posted by slosig:
I thought one of the earlier articles said it was a Uberti. If that’s true, nice try liar, but no soap.

If it was in fact a modern Uberti with the firing pin safety, his explanation is impossible. The gun will not fire without a finger applying pressure to the trigger. This video shows how it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow

Actually, according to the first press conference held by the Santa Fe Sheriff and DA on 27 Oct., posted on page 28 of this thread, the gun that fired the fatal round was a Pietta . 45 LC, although the Sheriff didn't mention which model.

Pietta USA

He has given multiple statements since the day this occurred and this is the first time he has said that he didn't pull the trigger?

Yeah, right - if that were the case he would have been screaming that from the moment it happened. How utterly ridiculous and even more ridiculous that all his moron supporters, who know nothing about guns, have now latched on to this 'blame the gun' nonsense.

Indeed, this rings as incredibly hollow. Probably a ploy given to him by his lawyers to deflect personal responsibility and turn it into a case against the gun maker.

Let's hope that this is the nail in the coffin for Alec's career.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
He has given multiple statements since the day this occurred and this is the first time he has said that he didn't pull the trigger?

Yeah, right - if that were the case he would have been screaming that from the moment it happened. How utterly ridiculous and even more ridiculous that all his moron supporters, who know nothing about guns, have now latched on to this 'blame the gun' nonsense.

Desperate lies. He’s writhing.

Yeah, he's not doing himself any favors with such a statement after all this time.

The revolver will likely be shown to be in proper working order. If that's the case, there are only two ways to make the hammer drop on that pistol; either the hammer is in the fully-cocked position and the trigger is pulled, or the trigger is held down and the hammer is pulled back to full cock and then let fall forward. In both of these scenarios, the trigger is being depressed.

Keep talking Alec, keep talking...

Is there any shock? Hollywood is all about deception and stories.

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:
Actually, according to the first press conference held by the Santa Fe Sheriff and DA on 27 Oct., posted on page 28 of this thread, the gun that fired the fatal round was a Pietta . 45 LC, although the Sheriff didn't mention which model.

Pietta USA

Thanks for the correction MDS. I saw the same video but my alleged memory failed me.

Does the Pietta has an action more like the original or more like the Uberti? Curious…

This is what it looks like when a self serving narcissist has to consider the inescapable consequences of his actions. He’ll deceive, he’ll distract, he’ll displace blame, he’ll diffuse blame, he’ll emote and finally he’ll feel sorry for himself even if through pity for how others will be affected by his punishment. No. This is likely the first time Baldwin will have to face the music with no escape.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
This is likely the first time Baldwin will have to face the music with no escape.

Let’s hope you’re right about the no escape part.

"Alec Baldwin said he feels incredible sadness and regret over the shooting that killed a cinematographer on a New Mexico film set, but not guilt."

What a despicable piece of shit baldwin is, but we already know that. This should make your blood boil.

Someone is responsible for the shooting, but it's not me


Alec Baldwin said he feels incredible sadness and regret over the shooting that killed a cinematographer on a New Mexico film set, but not guilt.

“Someone is responsible for what happened, and I can’t say who that is, but it’s not me,” Baldwin said in an ABC interview with George Stephanopoulos that aired Thursday night, the first time the actor has spoken in depth on screen about the Oct. 21 shooting on the set of the Western “Rust.” “Honest to god, if I felt I was responsible, I might have killed myself.”


Baldwin said it is essential for investigators to find out who put the bullet in the gun he fired, that was supposed to be empty, that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza.


“There’s only one question to be resolved, and that’s where did the live round come from?” Baldwin said.

Baldwin said in a clip from the interview released a day earlier that “I didn’t pull the trigger. I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger at them. Never.”

He said it was Hutchins herself who asked him to point the gun just off camera and toward her armpit before it went off.

Baldwin said at Hutchins’ direction he pulled the hammer back.

“I let go of the hammer and ‘bang’ the gun goes off,” he said.

When Stephanopoulos told Baldwin that many say you should never point a gun directly at someone on a set, he responded, “unless the person is the cinematographer who was directing me where to point the gun for her camera angle.”

Baldwin said it was 45 minutes to an hour before he began to understand that a live round had been in the gun, and didn't know it for sure until he was being interviewed hours later. He thought Hutchins might have been hurt by a blank at close range or had a heart attack.

“The idea that somebody put a live bullet in the gun was not even in reality.”

He had one of several tearful moments when he described Hutchins, saying she was “somebody who was loved by everybody and admired by everybody who worked with her.”

Baldwin said he was doing the interview to counter public misconceptions about the shooting and to make it clear that “I would go to any lengths to undo what happened.”

But Baldwin said “I want to make sure that I don’t come across like I'm the victim because we have two victims here.”

Investigators have described “some complacency” in how weapons were handled on the “Rust” set. They have said it is too soon to determine whether charges will be filed, amid independent civil lawsuits concerning liability in the fatal shooting.

Baldwin said he met with the film’s armorer Hanna Gutierrez Reed for a gun training session before the shoot, and she appeared capable and responsible.

“I assumed because she was there and she was hired that she was up to the job," he said.

Gutierrez Reed has been the subject of much of the scrutiny in the case. Her attorney has said she did not put the round in the gun, and believes she was the victim of sabotage. Authorities say they've found no evidence of that.

Baldwin, who was also a producer on the film, said there was no indication to him that crew members were unhappy with safety conditions on the set, though some resigned over the issue.

“I never heard one word about that, none,” Baldwin said.

Baldwin said complaints about cost-cutting on the film have been misguided.

“Everybody who makes movies has the responsibility not to be reckless and careless with the money that you’re given,” he said.

Asked by Stephanopoulos whether the cost-cutting compromised safety, Baldwin said “In my opinion no.”

“I personally did not observe any safety or security issues at all in the time I was there,” he said.

Baldwin said he does not believe he will be criminally charged in the shooting.

“I’ve spoken to the sheriff’s department multiple times,” he said. I don’t have anything to hide."

He said the incident left him emotionally ravaged.

“I have dreams about this constantly,” he said, " wake up constantly where guns are going off. These images have come into my mind and kept me awake at night and I haven’t slept for weeks and I’ve really been struggling physically.”

Asked by Stephanopoulos if his career is over, Baldwin said, “It could be.”

He said his next production still wants him, “but I said to myself, ‘do I want to work much more after this?’"
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