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Raptorman |
Seems he shot more than a film. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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^^^^^  "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
A woman died. She was my friend, my friend. I shot her with a Pieta, and that was the end. I took her to dinner, then I blew her away. The police said 'say nothing' so that's what I'll say. My wife's named Hilaria. Now, ain't that a hoot? She's holding a phone, but no worries 'cause it doesn't shoot. A woman died. She was my friend, my friend. I'm babbling in traffic because my career's at an end. | |||
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Corgis Rock |
Re-reading the thread, my understanding is that the camera was not running. That Baldwin was simply working out how the scene would go. Why then fire the gun? Nothing was being filmed. Once filming started the critical question is what the procedure was once the gun fired the blank? Was the gun reloaded? If the front of the gun was filmed, you’d expect to see dummy rounds depicting the tips of bullets. That would mean one black and the gun was reloaded with each take. Why fire the gun during a walk through? The “Bang” wouldn’t be expected and could be a danger to those in the line of fire. Firing the gun before filming seems to be an unsafe act and not called for. Given, a “cold gun” could be assumed to be totally empty. However, here, “cold” would include having blanks. “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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Icabod, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Ole Alec didn't think he was going to shoot and kill a person when he pulled the trigger. "I thought the gun was empty" "I didn't know the gun was loaded" Or whatever excuse. ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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| Freethinker |
If, as has been reported, the actor was rehearsing a scene that would involve drawing the gun, cocking the hammer, and pulling the trigger, then it would be expected that he would do that in the rehearsal. In case some here have missed it, he clearly did not expect the gun to fire a live cartridge when he went through those motions as I suspect he had done literally countless times before in his career. I get it that many people here believe that pointing a gun at another person even for the purposes of making a movie scene is something that he shouldn’t have done and perhaps didn’t even have to do, but the fact is he did it and no doubt because he’d done it many times before. Even the aiming the gun at the woman rather than just at a wall or the ceiling may have been something he believed was necessary. The 1950s and ’60s teevee westerns were not known for their authentic depictions of the times and places and therefore had scenes like this one. Does anyone who knows anything about guns believe that this character was actually going to hit anyone if he’d fired at the moment shown?  As has been mentioned, audiences have become more sophisticated and knowledgeable in the decades since and to make it seem like an actor is aiming a gun at someone before firing, it may be better to actually aim the gun at someone. Again, this has nothing to do with the safety of that no doubt common practice, but the practice. “I can’t give you brains, but I can give you a diploma.” — The Wizard of Oz This life is a drill. It is only a drill. If it had been a real life, you would have been given instructions about where to go and what to do. | |||
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I question whether he even took deliberate aim. Other than the fact one woman is dead and another man was injured from a single live gunshot fired by AB on a movie set, we know very little regarding the circumstances surrounding this shooting. From what I have pieced together, while rehearsing a scene AB recklessly handled a cocked and loaded revolver - a revolver he never expected to be loaded nor personally confirmed to be unloaded - covering the deceased with the muzzle while pressing the trigger. Beyond this, most everything else is speculation. | |||
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| Leatherneck |
Another thing to think about is that when standing on a stage it can be impossible to see very far offstage with the lighting. It’s totally possible that he didn’t even know those two were there. Not that it absolves him of negligence, but it seems as though a lot of people think that he was deliberately pointing a gun at this woman and pulling the trigger. That’s possible, but not necessarily the truth. “Everybody wants a Sig in the sheets but a Glock on the streets.” -bionic218 04-02-2014 | |||
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| Ignored facts still exist |
BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT. . | |||
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| Leatherneck |
Yeah, which is why I wrote “Not that it absolves him of negligence”. I’m just adding some perspective. Take it for what it’s worth. “Everybody wants a Sig in the sheets but a Glock on the streets.” -bionic218 04-02-2014 | |||
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| Ammoholic |
Gee, sounds like someone has been to the scene of an unintended shooting. | |||
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Ehh, once or twice.  ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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Sabonim |
I wonder if Alec Baldwin would have checked the firearm if the scene was depicting Russian roulette or suicide. Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow! What a Ride! ~Hunter S. Thompson | |||
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Shall Not Be Infringed |
^^^That, is a VERY Good question....And one that somebody should DEFINITELY ask him! ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 2024....Make America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
Thought the lines were  I knew the gun was loaded but I didn't think it killed.. Everything exploded and the blood began to spill | |||
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Exceptional Circumstances |
AD now claiming he wasn't contractually obligated to check the condition of the weapon. Spin it baby. I do, however, believe ultimate responsibility falls squarely on Baldwin regardless of who else fucked up along the chain of command. While others broke one of the four rules, he broke multiple. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
Read an article online that quoted an interview with armorers attorneys that basically stated “hey, we were so incredibly incompetent to let everyone have access to the prop van, so anyone could have maliciously put real ammo in there to frame us, so we weren’t incredibly incompetent in how this happened” | |||
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"Contractually obligated"? What the fuck is that Alec? How about "morally obligated" to ensure you didn't kill your friend, and injure another? But of course Alec, we're just picking on you. It's not your fault, it's someone else's fault that YOU pulled that trigger! It could never be YOUR fault! Hell, it's Trumps fault you killed one and injured another! Yep, big old meanie himself- DJ Trump! Just do us a favor, and KEEP TALKING! You know more and better than your high price Hollywood lawyers! ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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As much as this is a bullshit defense tactic, I'm starting to believe it may be true! "Look at me, I'm stupid" One prop manager poops himself, starts playing with it, another set member is eating crayons, a third member gets rushed out of the courtroom because they stuck something in the electric socket... That might just be crazy enough to work! ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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ammoholic |
Facts as they are, its really disturbing to see the lack of remorse. As has been mentioned multiple times, doesn't matter how, who, what - AB killed one person and injured another with a gun he shot. Where is the remorse? Even more so in an accident where he was likely negligent & certainly ignorant on gun safety. The BS interview where he/his wife say their kids are in the car crying (leaving their kids in the car itself...) - really? He's not LE/Mil/EMS where you are desensitized. He's just a complete self absorbed hypocritical prick - he's so concerned with his own image that he has no remorse. Has it sunk into his narcistic skull that he killed someone? they're not getting back up for a retake. | |||
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