After reviewing the published reports, and trying to do a little deductive thinking, it occurs to me that this may well be the result of union activism by the group that left/was ejected from the set on Wednesday. That they deliberately sabotaged the "prop" guns in the hope that an embarrassing "accident" might occur. Not that this exempts anyone involved from their safety responsibilities, but it might explain why the state of the firearm(s) apparently changed between Wednesday and Thursday. Union activists have done far worse in the past.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by XinTX:
Look, I think we can all agree that Baldwin is an arrogant gasbag who few would piss on if he were on fire. But I don't wish this grief on even someone like him.

I just don't understand this kind of thing.

I don't wish this on him due to the cost. I just don't think his grief (that he deserves) is worth her life. I don't think it's worth the price of the life of a stray cat. OTOH, if you could put him in a pillory with his pants around his ankles in a men's prison and spike all the inmates food with Viagra and Cialis and turn down the lights and pipe in Barry White music over the PA system (and remove any potential lubricants from said prison) I'd be perfectly fine with him feeling THAT kind of grief.

The ONLY grief this piece of shit feels is the embarrassment of being criticized by the right.

He doesn't care he killed some lesser person than him. She was just some expendable employee to him. Camera people are a dime a dozen.

He's worried about his image. From the sheer violence from his tweets and that phone call to his daughter, he absolutely has no remorse.

Financially, this will affect him zero as the insurances that will be forced to pay out.

I'll take vacuum cleaner hose to the driver's window, Alex.

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Originally posted by XinTX:
Granted, it's HIGHLY likely the lady killed agreed with him on most things.

Exactly why would you think this, and why the hell would you actually post it?

As far as we all know, of all those involved, ONLY Alec Baldwin is an outspoken, vile, arrogant anti-gun zealot, and a disgusting excuse for a human being!

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Originally posted by XinTX:
Granted, it's HIGHLY likely the lady killed agreed with him on most things.

Irrelevant. Absolutely, entirely irrelevant.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by XinTX:
Granted, it's HIGHLY likely the lady killed agreed with him on most things.

Irrelevant. Absolutely, entirely irrelevant.

Agree. Edited. In no way do I believe this woman should have died in such a manner.

And you talk about his grief not being worth her life. No one is saying that it is. What I said on page two of this thread, referring to Baldwin, was:

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If this was fated to happen, I cannot think of a more deserving recipient of this karma.

Whether or not her life was worth his grief is not even a question, because whether or not it was, this incident did occur, and there's no changing that.

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Originally posted by mbinky:

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Tell me- what do you think he would do? You know what he would do. Even more than making you disappear, he wishes you had never existed at all. You know it's true.

This is what scares me the most. We are in bad territory ladies and gentlemen. Once again I implore you to read "Ordinary Men"

I have read the book and I am currently listening to it on my drives. It does not turn out well.

Myself and many on this forum may be outliers. We may be the canary in the coal mine.

I spent the best years of my life in defense of this country. I'm looking at spending the next years in defense of myself and my family. Not what
I signed up for

What is this book? I'm doing a search for it and there are several different books with the same title, or close to it. Who is the author? Thanks
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Originally posted by architect:
After reviewing the published reports, and trying to do a little deductive thinking, it occurs to me that this may well be the result of union activism by the group that left/was ejected from the set on Wednesday. That they deliberately sabotaged the "prop" guns in the hope that an embarrassing "accident" might occur.

We'll have to wait and see what the police investigation offers, but there should have been no way to sabotage any of these guns if the armorer had a clue what their job was. Each gun should have been checked for function and safety before it was handed by the armorer to the actor(s), and then collected by the armorer and stored under lock and key when not in use. The guns should have remained under the custody of the armorer at all times making tampering with them all but impossible. Again, it appears from the info provided thus far (at least IMO), this armorer was in way over their head and had no clue what their job was. Utter incompetence on her part resulted in the death of one person and the severe injury of another.

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Originally posted by OKCGene:
What is this book?

Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland, by Christopher R. Browning

Available from Amazon and elsewhere.

Reports are his stunt double had 2 AD with live ammo in the preceding days. Wow. If this is true this is just an epic CF. This armorer lady is screwed 10 ways from Sunday.

So much for the stories of "it was union sabotage."

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Originally posted by radioman:
I stand by what I said, movie or no movie.

Principles are often strongest among people who don’t have to deal with reality and can therefore live in unrealistic fantasy realms.

what on earth are you talking about?

The 4 rules of gun safety are not only adequate, they become a reflex for those of us who handle loaded guns on a daily basis. With training, these rules become so engrained in one's brain that they become automatic. It's not an unrealistic fantasy world. Not in the slightest.

It seems you want to dismiss the 4 rules for people like movie stars on the set of a film. You seem to be making a case that they have to break these rules because they want to make a movie with some special angles or something.

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I will repeat my question about how depicting things like someone’s being shot or having a gun pointed at them is possible without pointing a gun at them—?

Camera angles. ...Let me try it again... they don't need to point a gun at another person. but please have a look at the article linked below. I'm not alone in thinking that even on a movie set a gun should not be pointed at another person.... This is also the opinion of others.

Alec Baldwin ignored the No. 1 rule of gun safety: Hollywood weapons expert

Please pay attention to this text in the article

For safety, all live firearms used in TV and film productions are typically aimed at a dummy point, not at equipment, cast or crew, Carpenter noted. Guns, he said, are never aimed at a person.

Does this address your question?

He's an arrogant obnoxious prick. Fake tears, he'll try his best to blame it on someone else. After all his self-righteous rants, he has killed an innocent woman and put another person in the hospital - using a gun. It's just too bad he wasn't doing a Russian roulette scene.

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Originally posted by ElToro:
Reports are his stunt double had 2 AD with live ammo in the preceding days. Wow. If this is true this is just an epic CF. This armorer lady is screwed 10 ways from Sunday.

One would think from a practical standpoint that a single AD, or even near AD, would shut down shooting until proper procedures were in place.

I recall a video on how many hoops Mythbusters had to go through to satisfy their insurance people and how many things they weren't allowed to do. The fact that they could have two AD and not have insurance shut them down is amazing.

With all of the advances in technology you'd think there would be absolutely no need to use a blank firing weapon pointed at a camera crew. I'm sure CG could take care of that. Or maybe just use a mirror?????

I’d like to know why there is live ammunition within 1,000 miles of a movie set with prop guns?

WTF???

He is 100% at fault for not removing the cartridges and inspecting them first.

This… all on this forum would clear the weapon, assure the rounds were appropriate blanks; the be certain it was not pointed at a human being or anything else we do not want destroyed.

When you pick up a gun, you are responsible for its use… period!

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Originally posted by tsmccull:
Anybody heard why a movie script would call for an actor to point a firearm at one of the video photographers and pull the trigger? Doesn’t seem like that action would be part of a typical scene.

Can’t embed from mobile, but here’s a great example:

https://youtu.be/eEneQFEFgMQ

I was thinking that or The Quick and The Dead.

I notice that they don't F around and try to fill the cylinder with "rounds" in the revolvers. Perhaps everything was added (sound bladt) post production



The firearm database has better pictures of guns with ammunition loaded. Master armorer, important job for sure
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Quic..._the_Dead,_The_(1995)

Oh, on mobile I have to go to .com and request desktop site to imbed.

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Originally posted by PASig:
I’d like to know why there is live ammunition within 1,000 miles of a movie set with prop guns?

WTF???

I have not seen documentation that "live ammunition" was involved. Obviously, there was a projectile involved, but there are ways that can happen using only blank ammunition. Have I missed something?

flashguy

Looks like the blow back is beginning.

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‘The Rookie’ show bans live guns on set after Alec Baldwin's prop gun shooting incident

Updated Oct 23, 2021 5:01 PM
Adelle Fernandes

ABC cop drama The Rookie has banned the firing of real guns on the sets of the show. This comes after Hollywood's Academy Award nominee, Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on the sets of his next film, Rust. The incident led to the death of Halyna Hutchins, the director of photography and also left the director, Joel Souza injured.