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I can. I can fault him and I can condemn him for his hypocrisy. Why was he handling guns at all? I'll tell you why- it's because he's a hypocrite. The same goes for Liam Neeson, Danny Glover and the rest of the smug, ignorant, hypocritical bunch who decry legal ownership of firearms, yet profit handsomely from portraying gun use in film. Oh, poor, poor Alec. Nope. Not a freakin' chance.[/QUOTE You can add Mark Harmon to the list. "Among a people generally corrupt, liberty cannot long exist." Edmund Burke | |||
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I'm guessing things on a movie set get lax and corners are cut by everyone involved. This is especially true with volatile actors like Alec Baldwin. His melt downs are legendary and I would venture to say he has everyone on the set walking on eggshells and just in general trying to stay off his fucking radar so you are not the subject of one of his meltdowns and rants. It's safe to say he's a complete bully and jackass to most if not all people on the set. When he says jump you damn well better or you are not working there any more. A environment like that can lead to all sorts of things being neglected. "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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blame canada |
My speculation is that the anti-american attitudes and militant level hatred of conservative, and pro constitution/america persons....caused this. No true American or "gun person" would work with these pricks. So of course when left to their own ignorant devices, safety goes out the window. They don't know how to be safe with firearms, because they chose to hate them and the people who have them. It's wild ass speculation on my part....but it's founded in some common sense. Their own liberal ignorance caused the preventable death of one person, possibly two, and definitely an impact on the lives of dozens. They'll never understand how they are at fault for this, and in their self-absorbed need to be right...they'll sue the shit out of anyone they can. These people are scum. They are a cancer on our country, and we need to cut them out. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan, 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.rikrlandvs.com | |||
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| Help! Help! I'm being repressed!  |
@Aeteocles That can still be the case, but a final check of the firearm should be witnessed and verified by the actor in the presence of the union prop master. But that's just my opinion. | |||
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eh-TEE-oh-clez |
There are a number of ways of mitigating risk for the use of firearms on set, but none of them should rely on the other "trades". The actor is there to act, not to fuss with the props. Do we expect the actor to do a final walkthrough of the safety rigging for camera operators or the final setups for on-set explosions as well? People have their lanes, and there is a designated person responsible for safety in each of their lanes. The prop master here failed miserably. A prop master can build safety into the use of weapon props from the outset in a hundred different ways without having to stake safety (prop master's responsibility) onto someone else. Thousands of on-screen gunshots are created for film and tv every year. The prop master could have relied on an infinite combination of fail-safes to prevent this from happening: non-functioning firearms for close ups, no live ammo anywhere on set, two-deep inspection of firearms using an assistant prop master, inert dummy rounds for anything that needs to look loaded, firearms modified to only fire blanks, etc and so on. None of these should require anyone's bandwidth other than the people responsible for props. Likewise, if I'm actor, hand me a safe prop or don't hand it to me at all. Doesn't matter if it's a gun, hand grenade, chainsaw, lightsaber, or a jar of alien goo. Is the actor now responsible for illness if some dipshit prop master decided to fill a jar of alien goo with something truly toxic? That's silly. One person is responsible for the safety of props, and that's the prop master. | |||
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| blame canada |
Never too soon for a meme like this:  Except there is still a possibility that Alec's "1" may become "2" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan, 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.rikrlandvs.com | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
According to Nick Searcy, and many others who have handled guns on set I have been reading today, the status of the gun is indeed gone over with them. And if a live round was indeed fired, it is not a "prop" gun. It is a gun. If I put a blank in one of my guns it does not suddenly turn into a prop gun. It remains a gun. Why was the gun being pointed at the director? Seems like a strange scene. Why did he pull the trigger? Seems like a very strange scene to shoot the director while filming for a western. 100% negligence on the part of the actor, pure and simple. The "I didn't think it was loaded" defense dosen't work here or anywhere else. There may be other people in the chain of events who bear some responsibility but ultimately it was Baldwin who pointed the gun and pulled the trigger. And I highly doubt the scene read "Hero points gun at director and cinematographer and pulls trigger".   | |||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh9C6SD_NWg&t=110s I have no sympathy for that fucking turd. | |||
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| eh-TEE-oh-clez |
Ok, so either the prop master fucked it up (not going over the status of a loaded gun with an actor, or unintentionally handing the actor a loaded gun when a non functioning prop was intended, or by misloading live ammunition where blanks are called for and miscommunicating such), or; The actor went off the rails and intentionally murdered a person on set in front of multiple witnesses and with potentially many cameras rolling. | |||
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| Ignored facts still exist |
I agree 100%. Therefore the 4 rules of gun safety are always in play. Movie set or not. Those who blame the Prop Master or some such thing are just wrong. When someone hands you a (prop or real) gun that can kill, you take on the responsibility. you can't hire that out. When a pilot flies a plane they look it over first -- can't hire that out either. . | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
And likewise, IF an actor is screwing with a prop gun, and I mean truly screwing with it, it could relieve the prop master of some responsibility. Now, it may be safe to assume that if a prop gun has even a blank in it, the prop man is nearby, and should stop the cast from screwing with it, but we all know how quickly anyone can do something stupid. I don't care to guess what happened, but it could be almost any combination of stupidities spread over any number of people at this point. I have been involved in live theater, and I can say the prop men are fairly jealous of their props and keep a close eye on them, especially ones like guns and things that make fire. Or realish knives and swords. Those sorts of props are often locked up. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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I like this one:  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan, 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.rikrlandvs.com | |||
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| Glorious SPAM! |
Seems like the crew wasn't too happy with the conditions on set. Alec Baldwin ‘Rust’ Camera Crew Walked Off The Set In Protest Before The Fatal Shooting The camera operators and their assistants were frustrated by the conditions surrounding the low-budget film, including complaints of long hours and pay, according to three people familiar with the matter who were not authorized to comment. And: There were two misfires on the prop gun on Saturday and one the previous week, the person said, adding “there was a serious lack of safety meetings on this set.” Lack of safety on the set, a hot head producer with a series lack of impulse control. Yup, I can see Baldwin being frustrated and lashing out because he can't control his emotions. https://www.latimes.com/entert...-crew-walked-off-set | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
https://www.pennlive.com/natio...GtcUy4x72hRH2xrwweFA This report says it was a live round and that there were no union men on the set. I am no fan of unions, but the low budget of this film may have meant there was no experienced firearms prop men on the film. If any of this is true, there will be blame to go around. What a fuck up. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| bigger government = smaller citizen  |
I don’t get where the union is a requirement for experienced firearms prop humans. “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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Tim Poole has some insights worth your time. Hedley Lamarr: Wait, wait, wait. I'm unarmed. Bart: Alright, we'll settle this like men, with our fists. Hedley Lamarr: Sorry, I just remembered . . . I am armed. | |||
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| Jack of All Trades, Master of Nothing  |
From the article above, Baldwin, the film’s star who also served as a producer on the film, was apparently rehearsing a scene outside the church of the Bonzana Creek Ranch set, according to two knowledgeable people. Granted none of us were there, but the responsibility for this really falls on Baldwin. My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
The picture becomes clearer. And it's not a prop gun, not if it fires live ammunition, which, apparently is what happened. If you had killed someone by accident yesterday, would you be posting on Twitter or Facebook or this forum or anywhere online? Well, Alec Baldwin is posting, trying to cover his ass. Yeah, Alec, we can tell how broken up you are, what with your carefully worded tweets and all, talking about the "tragic accident." Who cares about what's-her-name you killed, right, Alec? You might get sued!!!! Consult with counsel. Spin it. Damage control, my boy! Damage control. Pig. Trash.  The hand of God moves in all of this. Vishnu, Yaweh, Allah, what have ya... | |||
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Nosce te ipsum |
There's only one choice for Alec. A chair, ten feet of rope, and some alone time in the garage. And be a man about it. Spread a tarp or wear a diaper. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
There's an old saying: Rattlesnakes don't commit suicide. | |||
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