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Originally posted by apprentice:
If an airline dictated no animals and no children under 13 would some of you non-flyers come back?

Not for me, no. I couldn't bring myself to be subjected to running the TSA gauntlet.

I have flown several times in the past few years, but not commercially.

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Originally posted by apprentice:
If an airline dictated no animals and no children under 13 would some of you non-flyers come back?

Sure seems like a ball just waiting to be picked up. I'd even pay extra.

It's not the kids that I find to be usually to be the problem. Sure I've dealt with the crying toddler but that's what noise-canceling headphones are for. It's the idiotic adults that are more of a problem.

The test will be when you have an emergency landing dealing with smoke and the slides are deployed and the horse freezes in the aisle and people die cause they were blocked from an escape slide.

...or when you get a support falcon and a support field mouse on the same flight.

My initial inkling was to just limit companion animals to weigh no more than their owners, but then I realized that was not as restrictive as I first thought.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
...or when you get a support falcon and a support field mouse on the same flight.

Interesting concept.

I wonder if "airspace" is the same concept as "international waters". Gambling is totally legal in international waters.

Start placing bets, my friends.
Possibly a new revenue stream for the airlines.

I got $20 on the mouse.

In Police Academy 5, they were thrilled when their private plane to the annual police week convention in Miami, Florida included animals. My office thought I was nuts when I chose to drive to El Paso instead of flying. The decorum of flying has been lost. Not for me anymore. This emotional support animal BS has gotten out of control. It's embarrassing. The airlines should really put their foot down.

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Originally posted by Sr_Bull:
The airlines should really put their foot down.

And get sued.

I detest flying commercially but I have to do it for business purposes but I am trying to gently give those projects to someone else to take the hit

I am so tired of going to the theater

the smoke and mirrors theater

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by Sr_Bull:
The airlines should really put their foot down.

And get sued.

Whether they want to admit it now, sooner or later the airlines will have to grasp that nettle and fight it out however is required. In my (unfortunately necessary) experience this summer, Southwest flights usually seem to be filled, but as time goes on, how many potential customers saying, “Nope; I’m not putting up with that nonsense,” will it take to offset the costs of defending a lawsuit?

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by Sr_Bull:
The airlines should really put their foot down.

And get sued.

I'm sorry, but the Constitution does not give a "Right to Fly", any more than it does a "Right to Drive".

All it would take to stop this nonsense would be for the Pilots Union to simply state that pilots can refuse to fly a plane that carries animals in the passenger section. Those planes don't fly without pilots.

flashguy

It is absurd. I have to fly a ton with my job and thought I have seen it all. The horse is too much. Don’t fly if you need a horse to fly....

Get a clown and a monkey dressed in a cowboy outfit and they could have a rodeo.

I was hoping this was from The Onion.

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Originally posted by SeaCliff:
The test will be when you have an emergency landing dealing with smoke and the slides are deployed and the horse freezes in the aisle and people die cause they were blocked from an escape slide.

This is an excellent point.

I've had first hand experience with horses. They are stubborn beasts. If they don't want to move, they don't easily move.

It's tough to deal with a bucking horse, even a bucking "miniature" horse. I don't care how much they are "Trained", they are still animals that go back to animal instincts when danger is sensed.

And yes, horses bite, and the bite is serious business.

Hey, guess what happens when a child stands behind a spooked horse. No, they don't poop, the answer is they kick/buck and they proceed to knock the shit out of the child. I've yelled at my kid for getting near the back end of a horse for this very reason. I was similarly yelled at when I was a child.

No airline passenger who isn't familiar with horses should be subjected to being around them. period.

They'd better not say shit about my Support Japanese Spider Crab.

Did I mention that these weight about 40 pounds and are omnivorous?

I travel a fair bit. My most common threat is adults without support animals, but with absolutely no concern for the boundaries that we all generally accept as normal. From people that don't bathe, to people who are all too happy to spill over the armrest with their shit that they brought, to the meal they bought at the fast food place, to the 490 pound woman who needs a an extra seat (or two), but didn't buy it.

I'd welcome a frickin mini horse. That'd be a fun flight even if it dumped on the floor. Just get me away from the 70 year old glam woman cleaning between her toes with her fingers over my seat area.

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Originally posted by radioman:
Hey, guess what happens when a child stands behind a spooked horse. No, they don't poop, the answer is they kick/buck and they proceed to knock the shit out of the child. I've yelled at my kid for getting near the back end of a horse for this very reason. I was similarly yelled at when I was a child.

I was kicked into a rock pile by one when I was 21 months old. My dad burned up the 25 miles of gravel road getting me to a hospital. The doctors X-rayed my ankle, set a bone, X-rayed, set another bone, etc. until it was all fixed. They also tied the tendons on the toes of my right foot (they still curl a little). Years later, no evidence of the work done on my ankle appears in X-rays--those docs did a good job!

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:
I'm sorry, but the Constitution does not give a "Right to Fly", any more than it does a "Right to Drive".

I'm not sorry, and I'm quite aware of the legality: I do it for a living.

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Originally posted by flashguy:
I'm sorry, but the Constitution does not give a "Right to Fly", any more than it does a "Right to Drive".

All it would take to stop this nonsense would be for the Pilots Union to simply state that pilots can refuse to fly a plane that carries animals in the passenger section. Those planes don't fly without pilots.

flashguy

Not remotely so.

For one thing, there are numerous unions. Under the Railway Labor Act, there's no provision for a job action based on animals that are carried in the cabin. You will not now find, nor ever see, a collective bargaining agreement that addresses an animal in the cabin. Pilots cannot take a job action against something that is outside the scope of a collective bargaining agreement.

Long before job actions can take place, grievances are filed, and only then for violations of the contract or collective bargaining agreement. The scope of that agreement covers wages, disciplinary representation, hours, conditions, redress, and other particulars, but not service animals. It's far outside the relevant.

Just won't fly SW...ridiculous!!